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    Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 23:57
For those of you who are not aware of it, today, March 14th, is pi day, as in pi=3.14......

Today is also a day were across the US, students in some schools are walking out to protest gun violence, my attitude is that this is misplaced, they should not be trading school for protest, they should not be cutting their education.  For one thing schools are a policed environment, they are probably safer than most places, and students should concentrate on education.

But what if we had a special protest day for pi day, not a walkout but a walk-in.

Now, what if we all learned Euclid's Elements for pi day?  Protested for mathematics, and also in celebration of Stephen Hawking's life?  Don't get out of class, get into class and have a math day.  Of such a suggestion is preposterous, Japan, or China, or Korea might pull it off, United States probably not.

I also think that getting out of school for Martin Luther King Jr. Day is a waste, a feel-good waste of time,  What if we actually had classes for Martin Luther King Jr, Day on King and the civil rights movement, on the Bill of Rights, on the Civil War, Jim Crow south, on how, say the Black experience is quite different from the Native American experience, although as minorities they can quite superficially appear similar.  (Society tried to include and assimilate the 'noble savage,' an association that Indians did not want, whereas Blacks were excluded from a society that they largely did want.)


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Quote Today is also a day were across the US, students in some schools are walking out to protest gun violence, my attitude is that this is misplaced, they should not be trading school for protest, they should not be cutting their education.

In an ideal world, there would no need for people to hold public protests.

In an ideal world, everyone would be adequately fed, and have equal access to legal, education and health services

In an ideal world, we would all be employed and receiving a fair days' pay for a fair days' work.

In an ideal world, our children would be safe to walk to the local shops or to school, without fear of being murdered.

In an ideal world, schools would be world wide symbols of learning, harmony and safety.

In an ideal world, all people would be treated equally in the eyes of the law.

In an ideal world, the only people in possession of high powered firearms would be the military.

In an ideal world, there would be no illegal drug trade, or human trade.

It's not likely that their protests will be listened to at this stage, but if the protests continue, and grow as they attain voting age, then some action may be taken.

Wouldn't it be fantastic if all future political candidates agreed to run on an anti-gun policy?

Yeah, I know, I know......


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I am the ideal of how a man should be?  Why thank you Vanuatu, nobody has ever said that to me before.<grin>

Kind of like those bumper stickers that say, "wouldn't it be nice that if the military wanted missiles it would have to have a bakesale."  That would be a helluva bakesale, and I bet you those cakes would be da bomb! cakes.

Some pundits compliment the kids for their activism in participating in democracy.  and I guess that is a valid point.  But, I still think the students should be _in_ school.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I am the ideal of how a man should be?  Why thank you Vanuatu, nobody has ever said that to me before.<grin>


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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Quote Today is also a day were across the US, students in some schools are walking out to protest gun violence, my attitude is that this is misplaced, they should not be trading school for protest, they should not be cutting their education.

In an ideal world, there would no need for people to hold public protests.

In an ideal world, everyone would be adequately fed, and have equal access to legal, education and health services

In an ideal world, we would all be employed and receiving a fair days' pay for a fair days' work.

In an ideal world, our children would be safe to walk to the local shops or to school, without fear of being murdered.

In an ideal world, schools would be world wide symbols of learning, harmony and safety.

In an ideal world, all people would be treated equally in the eyes of the law.

In an ideal world, the only people in possession of high powered firearms would be the military.

In an ideal world, there would be no illegal drug trade, or human trade.

It's not likely that their protests will be listened to at this stage, but if the protests continue, and grow as they attain voting age, then some action may be taken.

Wouldn't it be fantastic if all future political candidates agreed to run on an anti-gun policy?

Yeah, I know, I know......
In an ideal world , all of those things will happen. When those ideals can be conceived of and desired by more than most of the group thinking, then general respect and fairness will dominate behavior. Was it ever fair? When was everyone safe?

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Quote But, I still think the students should be _in_ school.

Usually I'd agree with you, but the number of mass shootings in schools in the USA is beyond the pale. The students are trying to fend for themselves here, doing what their parents should be doing on their behalf.

Perhaps if the school protests grow in number and frequency, there may be hope for Gun Control in the not so distant future.

As I said, "Perhaps".

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Or everybody could just go to the park and smoke dope.  Call it a "protest" or a "be-in" or whatever you want, as long as it is "against the Man," (or whatever that means).  I mean, that is how it supposedly was in the sixties.  One freak passing a joint to another, saying, "Oh, by the way, what are we protesting today."  It is tolerable if a protest now and then occurs, an exception, but not the rule.  What happens if "protests" become the rule?  Sure, the gun violence in the schools is alarming, but do two wrongs make a right?  We need engineers and doctors and plumbers for society to function.  That means education.  Just because adults are not adequately handling the problems that face them, does not mean that children get excused from their duties.  

Most shootings in schools are probably drug or gang related, and are not mass shootings.  If you want to look at a good response to a school shooting, a _potential_ mass shooting, look at Arapahoe High School in Centennial Colorado.  One girl was fatally wounded and the school immediately went into lockdown, and the shooter was isolated, and couldn't do any more damage.  Mass shootings are a rather obvious, graphic, exception, not the rule.  We should work to make them an even rarer exception by dealing with the rage, and yes, a less deadly exception by dealing with the means.  But, personally, I think dealing with the rage is more important than getting rid of all firearms.  There is a characteristic of modern society that wants to control everything, for the "greater good."  That is a big part of what pisses people off.
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