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    Posted: 04 Feb 2011 at 16:58
What place would you say psychedelic drug use has in society? I feel it should have a better place than it does now. Psychedelics are never addicting and are only dangerous to the unprepared mind. To confuse them with marijuana, cocaine or alcohol is abhorrent and unethical and unfair to psychedelics. Most people who are addicts of alcohol and ETC are self medicating for some particular reason.

Though what would you say a drug like DMT could offer society. The ancient peoples of south America took minimosa hostillis bark and Syrian rue seeds and mixed them together. DMT is a naturally occuring drug in almost all plants and animals and is only two molecules away from tryptafan which is in all plants and animals. So theoretically i could synthesize DMT from anybody on this website. Then theres LSD the known "drug of the sixties" and Mushrooms and the San Pedro cactus also known as mescaline. These drugs to some are gateways to other realms or untold knowledge. Some see these drugs as a gateway beyond our own mental reasoning and some even say that these drugs are what all religions have been reffereing to in terms of ego death, other reality and spiritual experiences.

Is it by coincidence to ancient people of the amazon found minimosa hostillis the plant containing dmt and sryian rue seeds which contain harmal a MAOI to inhibit the bodies natural metabolize of the molecule. To people who have never experienced these drugs don't shoot this down especially if you have no clue. I personally have done DMT in the Ayuhausca technique and through smoking it, I've done mushrooms and LSD and even systhesized LSA in a liquid substance and took it. What are your opinions about these drugs? Do not say they are "Evil" cause then your simply a moron sorry but its true.
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Each to his own I suppose. I'm currently studying legal and illegal psychoactive substances for my thesis, and to be honest, the more I read the more I see it from the (experienced...sensible) user's perspective. I think that in an ideal world people would be free to experiment with psychoactives without fear of stigma or legal penalty, as long society doesn't have to foot the bill, which may be impossible.

In general I see psychedelics as more of an experiment in hedonism than something of intrinsic spiritual worth, but I have friends that disagree. Have you read Huxley's "The Doors to Perception" Joe? It's most likely the most eloquent account of drug use there is, as well as an exposition on the worthiness of the experience.
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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Each to his own I suppose. I'm currently studying legal and illegal psychoactive substances for my thesis, and to be honest, the more I read the more I see it from the (experienced...sensible) user's perspective. I think that in an ideal world people would be free to experiment with psychoactives without fear of stigma or legal penalty, as long society doesn't have to foot the bill, which may be impossible.

In general I see psychedelics as more of an experiment in hedonism than something of intrinsic spiritual worth, but I have friends that disagree. Have you read Huxley's "The Doors to Perception" Joe? It's most likely the most eloquent account of drug use there is, as well as an exposition on the worthiness of the experience.

No I have not I will have to check it out; what is it about? A DMT trip, LSD?. I feel psychedelic use should be legal and not "free" you have to "pay" though I do feel that stronger psychedelics are "spiritual in a way" and your right it is hedonism as in the hallucinations are not real. Though I feel the only reason there is a stigma is cause of guys like timothy leary who with his work in the 60s up and got it banned. The government reacted cause our society is based on "buying and consuming goods" not in any other sense. So the government sees drugs as an enemy. Cause drugs like DMT are amazing I'll take a trip and come back and my coffee is still hot. Though I do not see how selling medical grade DMT or medical grade LSD would be impossible I mean you can't just get it off the shelf. You have to read Shulgins Pihkal and Tihkal and take chem classes and get a lab and get to "breaking the law". I find it amazing that were supposedly so free but I can't grow a marijuana plant and smoke as I please; Its crazy.
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I'm one for legalizing Marijuana. I don't use Marijuana because I don't really care for it or need it; but I do however feel that marijuana should be legalized in this country. I think if pot was legalized, it could be sold in stores and be taxed. Being that it would be new product that is legal, and a ton of people will be consuming that product, it could be beneficial to the economy. Not only would it be a new product, but it would probably get rid of a lot of drug-dealers, and the criminal organizations that benefit from the sale of marijuana.

Remember what FDR did during the Depression with Alcohol, same thing could apply for marijuana, plus you never ever hear about pot-heads beating up their wives do you???

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Legalize San Pedro Cactus, instead.
At least with that potion you can see in the dark, and you won't need night vision googles, so has a practical use LOL






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I have seen pot smokers beat their wives and neglect their children. Mariguana can be just as life damaging as alcohol or any other addictive substance. Yes it is OK to smoke pot or drink alcohol or experiment with psychedelic drugs if they are used intelligently and that is the problem. Who decides if the user can handle their substance of choice? I don't know where other people have seen their drug useage but I've seen it at the very bottom of the ladder and the sight is not hedonistic or spirital, it is ugly.
Joe, I have not experimented with your drugs and I don't have a clue. I have been drugged against my will and that was terrifying.
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Its just mindblowing that such drugs with medical value are banned it. Doesn't make sense and I AM IN  NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM ADVOCATING BREAKING THE LAW.  I think what always happens is somebody screws it up for everybody. Like timothy leary he screwed it up for everybody. 
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Originally posted by Joe Joe wrote:

What place would you say psychedelic drug use has in society? I feel it should have a better place than it does now. Psychedelics are never addicting and are only dangerous to the unprepared mind.


I agree with you there.


I had read extensively about psychedelics (LSD in particular) through material that was required reading for one of my history courses. It was years later that I actually tried a psychedelic (mushrooms) and it really fit the bill as far as the usual effects I had read about, specifically the part about shattering the psychological world that is constructed around us that is so innate and so deeply conditioned that it usually goes unrecognized even to the most observant minds. Even after you come back down from a psychedelic experience you will feel different and I mean that in a positive way. Of course everyones experience will be different because of their mental state and all the psychological nuances that are deeply embedded into us which make us who we are. The closest I could come to describing the experience is: It completely shatters the boundaries and liquefies the perceptions that we are consciously and subconsciously programmed with while making you fall in love with the world because of the new perspective you have gained. At least that was my trip.


I think thats precisely why psychedelics are illegal. They are one of the most powerful and tangible instruments that can help bring one closer to enlightenment and throw the shackles off so to speak. Governments as a rule arent very keen on having people throw any kind of shackles off, whether physical or psychological. Widespread use of psychedelics would completely erode the status quo because people might see the world for what it really is: A grand illusion.


Im not saying that you have to dabble in psychedelics to be enlightened, since most people who do them are anything but. There are many paths to enlightenment and all of them are long and arduous. However, psychedelics can provide one hell of a shortcut if used correctly.


Edit: I don't know what the deal is with the formatting...



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I don't see it as a "thrower off of the shackles of society" as society is important in its own way. I just saw it as a really wonderful experience that albeit was a "high" and an extremely fun one. I feel you gain new perspectives on things in your life at that time. I never felt an "ego death" during any trip. I mean I've deep i felt on things current in my life and see it more as a introspective fuel rather than a "ego death" situation. Many say that but I've never felt "beyond a human". I mean I've felt at "one" but never beyond the point of not being able to reason out that I'm a human being. I feel like its kinda cool as a hobby to explore it in a good way but not over doing it. I've seen plenty of idiots who have tripped hundreds of times and what they got out of it was "we climbed trees and saw colors and did dumb sh*t." most of the time i get a few good CDs and experience it. Its dumb to be an idiot and see it in the same light as taking shots of Tequila or getting high. I feel moderation is necessary  to psychedelics and taking one psychedelic a month is not going to hurt you. Every weekend might be bad especially if your emotionally unprepared. I know one guy who bought a sheet of acid and at the end of the sheet he became a weirdo. He was constantly doing the drug and was almost every weekend doing it. Hes not weird in the sense of always getting high. Its just now he wastes extreme amounts of money and freaks for no reason of the weirdest slights. Like he'll spend a thousand dollars on a weekend at the Marriott and sleep in his car for nights on end and he has a home. So its bad for some.


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I should clarify: I don't mean to say that it makes you reject society. It can be quite the opposite actually. But it throws off shackles in regards to the limits of our perceptions, many of which are programmed into us by society, for better or worse.


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Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival ArmenianSurvival wrote:

I should clarify: I don't mean to say that it makes you reject society. It can be quite the opposite actually. But it throws off many shackles in regards to the limits of our perceptions.


Thats what I meant so I guess we said the same thing. Yeah thats very much how I see it.
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Moderation is King. I have had some truly emancipatory experiences with MDMA and perhaps from some of its synthetic relations but I think once every 6-9 months is about right. Take them too often and it becomes a habit. Enjoy sparingly and you can have the great experience without the constant guilt.

I'm aware that stimulants and so on are not pyschedelics, but the level of empathy you feel, as well as the incredibly elevated mood associated with MDMA is just... swell...
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