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Originally posted by Cywr Cywr wrote:


Africa is roughly half the population density of Europe. Asia (whole thing) is most densely populated, but contains the least densely populated nation (Mongolia).

To be more precise:
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Asia: 87/km2, Europe: 72.5/km2, Africa: 30.51/km2, N. America: 22.9/km2, S. America: 21.4 per km2

Africa has Sahara but Asia also has Siberia...

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It is perhaps a sort of reverse racism? 
 
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by Cywr Cywr wrote:


And yet there are Latin American and Asian countries that are growing faster than some sub-Saharan African countries. Or do they automaticly get the benefit of the doubt.


Asian? Perhaps the small countries of Palestine and Afghanistan. But in Latin America? Show your sources, please. Look the stats. Sub Saharan Africa has almost the monopoly of population growth. I wonder why everybody is happy that Subsaharan African people breed like rabbits and nobody complains, while in the 70s everybody or Mexico. It is population growth of China or Mexico. It is perhaps a sort of reverse racism? Only subsaharan Africans have the blessing of everybody for reproducing as fast as they can because they are blacks?, and nobody should say anything, to avoid been called "racist"? Confused


 
As has already been pointed out, a number of countries today, including much of the Middle East, India, Pakistan, and others, are growing at rates that are theoretically unsustainable if unchanged. But rates do change- that has been the pattern over the last few decades. As education and material well being improve, there is less motivation to have large families. Latin America has experienced this, along with others. At that time, a couple of generations ago, there indeed was concern about the future, for many other areas beside Africa. Now that Latin America has made the transition (for the most part), you are now claiming that Africans cannot also do so, due to "culture" and ethnicity, and are downplaying your own regional history. You are going to have to do some fancy dancing at this point, if you are going to dodge the R label.
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The first step to make the transition is to have the will. In a continent where women is a commodity it is hard to make the transition, specially if the whole society pushes to have more and more children.
India fertility rate is 2.5 and falling. (http://www.livescience.com/21494-ancient-mantle-site-discovered.html), Pakistan 3.0 and falling. Even those high rates are nothing compared with SS Africa. Look at the table. It is unbelievable how those people have a free ride for reproducing... even after the UN has to feed them.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/population/total_fertility_rate_2012_0.html


 




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Quote Asian? Perhaps the small countries of Palestine and Afghanistan. But in Latin America? Show your sources, please. Look the stats.


If you look at the source you provided above, you'll see that southern african countries such as S. Africa, Swaziland, Namiba etc. have lower fertility rates than some Central American and Asian countries.
Southern Africa is in general on par with the least developed parts of S/C. America (as are some of the the smaller and richer W. African countries), Northern Africa - E. Europe/NIC Asia. The bit in the middle is high by global standards, but lower than it was, and pretty much where most of the planet was at one point.
The highest fertility rates are in the Sahel belt, and along the rift valley area/great lakes region, which is also perhaps the most impoverished and least developed area of the world (not to mention for parts of it, the most war torn), many of those children won't make it to their teens let alone adulthood.

But back to the main train of discussion here, if there were something so innate to Africa/Africans that condemned them to permenantly high birth rates, why is there such huge variation within SS Africa, and why have their fertility and growth rates been in decline for last 2 decades?
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Originally posted by Cywr Cywr wrote:


But back to the main train of discussion here, if there were something so innate to Africa/Africans that condemned them to permenantly high birth rates, why is there such huge variation within SS Africa, and why have their fertility and growth rates been in decline for last 2 decades?


I don't think there is something "innate" to Africans, but rather I believe the problem is the traditional African culture. However, today Africa has the fastest growing cities and I hope the influence with the outside world will change new generations, from an economy where children are worth for theirs work to a modern society. And I hope that change will be fast enough.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

The first step to make the transition is to have the will. In a continent where women is a commodity it is hard to make the transition, specially if the whole society pushes to have more and more children.
India fertility rate is 2.5 and falling. (http://www.livescience.com/21494-ancient-mantle-site-discovered.html), Pakistan 3.0 and falling. Even those high rates are nothing compared with SS Africa. Look at the table. It is unbelievable how those people have a free ride for reproducing... even after the UN has to feed them.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/population/total_fertility_rate_2012_0.html

 
In the past, your own society did not have the "will" to make changes. In the past, your own society thought of women as commodities. In the past, your own society pushed to have more and more children. Now you are saying, a couple of generations down the road, that you are superior in multiple ways, because you are brown, and they are black? This is pretty thin stuff Mr P. Do you have anything of substance to produce here?
 
As for the fertility rates, an above poster has already corrected you on this.
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Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

In the past, your own society did not have the "will" to make changes. In the past, your own society thought of women as commodities. In the past, your own society pushed to have more and more children.


My own society had women like Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz, that were well beyond anything anglosaxon women could do at the time. There is plenty of example of liberal women in ours societies. Besides, the Victorian mentality was specially strong among anglosaxon peoples. This anglosaxon prejudice on machism about Hispanic cultures is simply ignorance.

For instance, while Asians like Chinese and Indians have always looked down on theirs daughters, in our society female children had always been considered more important for parents than boys. That's our culture, of which you know nothing.

Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:


Now you are saying, a couple of generations down the road, that you are superior in multiple ways, because you are brown, and they are black?


I am not talking about races here. I know, for instance, that Canada and specially Vancouver is highly "yellow", given Asians there aren't precisely a "minority" LOL

I'm talking about, if you don't mind, primitive mentalities that promote reproduction as a way of economically sustain parents, that exploit child labor and that use descendants as a retirement insurance.

And sure, in Latin America of half century ago, which has a large population of peasants, and also lack of education, the situation was similar to today's Africa and perhaps even worst. But Latin America have always had a refined and skillful elite, able to create new business and promote progress, so the reversal of our condition was somehow ensured in the long term.

At the 60s, Africa, Asia and Latin America were living at the same level of poverty. And don't forget that colonial Africa had highways, railroads and infrastructure at those time from which something could be done. However since then both Asia and Latin America have changed radically. The levels of income and education have risen continuously. On the other hand Latin America has always had one of the lowest density of the world, and it wasn't needed to stop reproduction so fast, but it did. But what is Africa doing to follow?






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Quote I don't think there is something "innate" to Africans, but rather I believe the problem is the traditional African culture.


But what is this 'African culture'. Its quite p[possibly the most diverse continent, geneticly, lingusiticly, and inevitably culturally. Its not all Ubuntu and Juju.

I would agree with a critique with some post-independance ideology/narratives, that framed modernity as western/European and thus anti-African, which perhaps over idealised the rural subsistence way of life. This isn't so much an active as a passive influence (it was after all, an accurate description of much of rural Africa).
But this isn't some sort of unique African thing, it was a trend in post-colonialism in general, nor was it the dominant force in every post-independance African state.

Barring that I honestly can't think of some sort of continent wide culture, aside from the repeated fact that large areas of Africa remain very rural (and I mean very rural, not posh blokes in range rovers rural), and lead a subsistence life style, and as such follow patterns of living that was once the norm globally.
Is it really the fault of the culture(s) of Niger that it is a landlocked country that isn't particularly well integrated into the global economy?

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What you see tv represents about 1% of africa. The Universitues came out of africa. Thats why the greeks had to go egypt or kemet "land of the blacks". All knowledge began in egypt. Chemistry "the study of kemet or egypt, biology, archeology, math, alphabet, literutyre, philosophy, electricity, boats, medicine, the wheel, astrology, physics. Do your research, you should be praising africa.
Besides every races began with african tribes or cultures. Phillipinos - the negritos. China - the xhang dynasty. Cambodia - the khmer. India - the dravidians . First japan samurai. Australian aborigines. Iraq - the sumerians. South American and mexico - the olmecs and mayans. There is also more jungle in europe than tge entire continent of africa. The majority of africa is grassland and also is the worlds richest soil, minerals and resourses.
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Originally posted by Darkknight Darkknight wrote:

What you see tv represents about 1% of africa. The Universitues came out of africa. Thats why the greeks had to go egypt or kemet "land of the blacks". All knowledge began in egypt. Chemistry "the study of kemet or egypt, biology, archeology, math, alphabet, literutyre, philosophy, electricity, boats, medicine, the wheel, astrology, physics. Do your research, you should be praising africa.
Besides every races began with african tribes or cultures. Phillipinos - the negritos. China - the xhang dynasty. Cambodia - the khmer. India - the dravidians . First japan samurai. Australian aborigines. Iraq - the sumerians. South American and mexico - the olmecs and mayans. There is also more jungle in europe than tge entire continent of africa. The majority of africa is grassland and also is the worlds richest soil, minerals and resourses.


Gimme a break. I descend from Neanderthals, and Subsaharan Africans don't.

Second, saying that Olmecs are Black Africans is a racist ideology that pretend to rob the heritage of the Native Americans which (as anyone with some culture knows) descend from Siberians.

Third, the civilization is a lot older in Mesopotamia than in Egypt, and the earliest known cities are in places like Turkey and Israel (Jerico)

The rest is baloney, such as Afrocentrism which was created and propagated by uneducated black Americans, who created it to rise theirs ego. That's all.

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Originally posted by Darkknight Darkknight wrote:

All knowledge began in egypt. Chemistry "the study of kemet or egypt, biology, archeology, math, alphabet, literutyre, philosophy, electricity, boats, medicine, the wheel, astrology, physics. Do your research, you should be praising africa.
Besides every races began with african tribes or cultures. Phillipinos - the negritos. China - the xhang dynasty. Cambodia - the khmer. India - the dravidians . First japan samurai. Australian aborigines. Iraq - the sumerians. South American and mexico - the olmecs and mayans. There is also more jungle in europe than tge entire continent of africa. The majority of africa is grassland and also is the worlds richest soil, minerals and resourses.

First: Learn how to spell Shang, and the statement referring to the Shang is incorrect. The origins of what is now China dates to the Hongshan.
Second: Not ALL knowledge is of Egyptian origin. Saying such is basically saying that the older civilizations were practically non-existent in the world of knowledge.
Third: It is disputed that there are actually 2 origins of the human race: Africa, and what is now somewhere near Mongolia, and it is possible that there is an origin in Europe as well that we haven't discovered yet. No one really knows where all human races are totally based, we just know where the oldest FOUND bones/fossils are located.
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Thank you dark Knight for proving that pinguin is not the formost proponent of ahistorical drivel here. There is barely a single fact in your laughable ,racial-nationalist, diatribe
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Based on reading this thread, I think this thread is about Afro-centricism.
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Please, don't compare the paradyse that is South America with the hell of Africa. Here we have plenty of water. But ours is not a region that appretiate or love Blacks.

They are going to move to Europe, the Middle East and China. Here, they will always be discriminated and seen as extraterrestrial alliens.


Mods please ban this troll, Pinguin.  He's been doing nothing but starting drama with Africans and anyone who doesn't agree with him is all of a sudden African.


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Also my two cents.  The reason why views by "Pinquin" and the like exist is because people in the west like to think that the world is dominated by western views of modern nationalism and westernization and sterilization programs.  The best example of modernization but not ever becoming the west is China and the Middle East and soon the entire India and Africa.  China did not separate into a bunch of nation states.  The Middle east was always run by religions, India was always a place of pluralism, and Africa was the original bosom of humanity.  So what the hell are they talking about China breaking up, Middle East becoming secular, India needing democracy and Africa trying to spread humanity like these regions are newly imagined and have no solutions to problems.
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Lao Tse, I leave this for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-MSRWdEIM

Pinguin, I leave this for you

http://www.ted.com/talks/svante_paeaebo_dna_clues_to_our_inner_neanderthal?language=en




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