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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

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Most important is that they are to keep their lands, otherwise many of them will totally disappear without having a chance to self determine their lifestyle.
 


There is not a chance about it. Most indigenous peoples will leave the reserves and head into the cities. Only the elders, and some agriculturalists will remain in the lands. And those that remain will addapt the "western" lifestyle. In the long term, most natives will have a "western" lifestyle, and will remember theirs custums once in a while, but not always. Most young people will mix with the average brazilians, and theirs descendents will evade, and even forget theirs native past.

I know it, because we have seen it happened since centuries ago. There is no way to prevent it, except by confining natives in concentration camps.


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

There is not a chance about it. Most indigenous peoples will leave the reserves and head into the cities.
 
Yes, some people always move. But that does not mean that those who want to stay shall not be able to do so and to be able to develop in their own way.
 
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I see the same usual topic has strayed, not surprisingly.

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So clothes can be a marker of religious identity, but also a way of opress people in the name of religion.


Me thinks you may have a fixation on a certain religion? Oh well... and here i thought clothes were of a practical necessity rather than just for religious ceremony. What in the world was man thinking over 50,000 years ago and up to now, i suspect as far as the bigger picture is concerned, has always had little to do with adhering to any religious uniformity in ceremonial dress.
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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

I see the same usual topic has strayed, not surprisingly.

Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:


So clothes can be a marker of religious identity, but also a way of opress people in the name of religion.


Me thinks you may have a fixation on a certain religion? Oh well... and here i thought clothes were of a practical necessity rather than just for religious ceremony. What in the world was man thinking over 50,000 years ago and up to now, i suspect as far as the bigger picture is concerned, has always had little to do with adhering to any religious uniformity in ceremonial dress.
 
Well, religion and clothing have had a certain connection in both Christianity and Islam, and also in Judaism. Ideas of what is proper for a certain group to wear has existed for a rather long time.
Also in other religions and traditions clothing have been a marker of religious identiy and also a marker for correct behaviour.
 
But it is ofcourse not only religion that has governed clothing. Practicalities and traditions have also been important.
 
Clothes easily lend themselves as markers of ideology, religion, tradition or ethnicity, so if they are also used as a means to opresse people is not so surprising. It is easy to point fingers at someone if he dresses in a different way.
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Fixation, indeed
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Let's hear it for Lady Gaga and the opression of good tastes!
 
 
By the way, Carcharadon, in the event you did not know all garments that you currently call "religious" have secular roots even the "veil" that so fixates you within the context of Islamic society can be traced to the "ins of fashion" in the "Byzantine" court of the 5th century. What next an outcry against the mantilla makers of Valencia because their production represent a conspiracy of opression against women?
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Let's hear it for Lady Gaga and the opression of good tastes!
 
 
 
By the way, Carcharadon, in the event you did not know all garments that you currently call "religious" have secular roots even the "veil" that so fixates you within the context of Islamic society can be traced to the "ins of fashion" in the "Byzantine" court of the 5th century. What next an outcry against the mantilla makers of Valencia because their production represent a conspiracy of opression against women?
 
Well, even if these garments have secular roots they are still used in a religious context, which make them religious at least in a special time and place. I am also sure that some religious garments can loose their religious meaning and become secular.
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