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    Posted: 26 Sep 2009 at 22:45
Do you know some nice replicas of Ancient ships? Here are a couple from different places:



Min of the Desert, replica of a 3800 years old oceangoing Egyptian ship




Princess Taiping, replica of a Ming dynasty Chinese junk






Replicas of Vikingships at a gathering in Scania, Sweden



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Sounds interesting. Also exciting that one can follow the expedition and its adventures on the net.
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A Greek trieres

Very maneuverable, fast and with the ability to strike with its "dolphin nose".




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Here is Helge Ask, beautifully made replica of the Skuldelev 5 viking ship, found at Skuldelev in Denmark.
 
 
Five late viking age ships were found at the site of Skuldelev. They are now to be seen in the Viking Ship Museum in Roskilde, Denmark.
 
There are sailing replicas of all five ships.
 


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Originally posted by Flipper Flipper wrote:

A Greek trieres

Very maneuverable, fast and with the ability to strike with its "dolphin nose".
 
Very nice pictures.
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Here is the ship Krampmacken. It is based on a late 11th, early 12th century boat found in the lake Tingstaede (in connection with the sunken remnants of a wooden lake fortress) on the island of Gotland in Sweden. In 1980 to 1985 the replica travelled through rivers from the Baltic area to Istanbul. Many times the crew was forced to haul the boat over land, but finally the trip succeeded and they reached the ancient town of Miklagard (Byzantium, Constantinople, Byzans, Istanbul).

Viking ship Krampmacken on its way to the Black Sea

Pic from: http://www.123minsida.se/picture.aspx?id=16032192

It is believed that most of the Nordic viking age voyages into the east were conducted in small vessels like this and not in the large vikingships that were used on the oceans.



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Replica of Polynesian ship of the classic age (300 BC 700 AD more or less)
 
 
Ancient Ecuatorian rafts
 


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Oh, how nostalgic...an entire brood of Thor Heyerdahls ready to tackle their pet projects. The only problem...there is no longer the hazard of terra et tempus incognitum.
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Oh, how nostalgic...an entire brood of Thor Heyerdahls ready to tackle their pet projects. The only problem...there is no longer the hazard of terra et tempus incognitum.
 
Thor Heyedahl only contribution to science were those replicas. Those ships really existed. They made the trips from Ecuador to Central America following the Pacific coast. No romanticism required.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Replica of Polynesian ship of the classic age (300 BC 700 AD more or less)
 
Ancient Ecuatorian rafts
 


Very interesting pictures. The Polynesian travels were really a big achivement in the history of naval voyages.

Also the South American rafts is a very interesting chapter in that history.


Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Oh, how nostalgic...an entire brood of Thor Heyerdahls ready to tackle their pet projects. The only problem...there is no longer the hazard of terra et tempus incognitum.


The building of these kind of replicas has actually a scientific value. They do not only show that a replica could sail from point A to point B, but they show us how the vessel itself behave in different circumstances, it show if one has interpretated details of construction in a realistic way, and gives answers about the function of these details. It gives a lot of information about seaworthiness, techniques of propulsion and a lot of other knowledge. So these replicas are far more than just means for a vacational cruise for those who participate, they are actually experimental archaeology in action.



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Very true. Heyerthal discovered the nautical qualities of those rafts, which were superior to what people would have expected from a raft. The quality of wood contributed quite a bit. Balsa is not a common wood and that's why it is used in airplane models... It is the lighestest of all.
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Carch wrote:
 
The buildings of these kind of replicas has actually a scientific value. They do not only show that a replica could sail from point A to point B, but they show us how the vessel itself behave in different circumstances, it show if one has interpretated details of construction in a realistic way, and gives answers about the function of these details. It gives a lot of information about seaworthiness, techniques of propulsion and a lot of other knowledge. So these replicas are far more than just means for a vacational cruise for those who participate, they are actually experimental archaeology in action.

Experimental archaeology? I do not think so, specially since it is modern technology that is generating product and the "adventurers" are making full use of techniques and implements unknown to the Past.
 
For example, take a look at the photograph of a Greek "bireme" reproduced by Flipper. If those are hand-hewn timbers, I'll eat my escutcheon! How navigators get to Point B from Point A is not a function of the tub they launch but of other skills that developed through time. And speaking of time...
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Carch wrote:
 
The buildings of these kind of replicas has actually a scientific value. They do not only show that a replica could sail from point A to point B, but they show us how the vessel itself behave in different circumstances, it show if one has interpretated details of construction in a realistic way, and gives answers about the function of these details. It gives a lot of information about seaworthiness, techniques of propulsion and a lot of other knowledge. So these replicas are far more than just means for a vacational cruise for those who participate, they are actually experimental archaeology in action.

Experimental archaeology? I do not think so, specially since it is modern technology that is generating product and the "adventurers" are making full use of techniques and implements unknown to the Past.
 
For example, take a look at the photograph of a Greek "bireme" reproduced by Flipper. If those are hand-hewn timbers, I'll eat my escutcheon! How navigators get to Point B from Point A is not a function of the tub they launch but of other skills that developed through time. And speaking of time...


Of course I cannot answer for all replicas, but some of the viking ship replicas I know of are actually made with ancient technique. The building of the vessel is also a part of the experiment, to see how the old tools worked and how one can make ropes, how to cut timbers and many other things. In this way one can study things like how much materials were used, how much time it took to do certain things, and how many people one needs to manage certain moments.


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By the way, here is an interesting site about the Equadorian sailing rafts and replicas of them. Included in the site is a link to an interesting Power point presentation. Here they also seem to try (at least partly) to replicate the methods of the ancient craftsmen:

http://www.balsaraft.com/raft.html


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Here is a replica of the Hjortspring boat, a boat found in a bog in Denmark. Its from the 4th century BC and the type probably goes back to the bronze age. At least it reminds of the boats and ships found in bronze age art in Denmark and the Scandinavian peninsula.
 
 
 


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What is the big advantage of contemporary sailors of "replicas" over ancients? Probably not so much the physical building tools as knowledge.
One may allways speculate what people in the distant past could made with their available materials and tools if just they knew how to do it.Then one may speculate about the possibillity of re-creating a society of the 21.st century (or more) from a situation were everything seems destroyed.
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Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

  What is the big advantage of contemporary sailors of "replicas" over ancients? Probably not so much the physical building tools as knowledge. 

It is probably so. Todays sailors have another understanding of the world, its geography and properties.  In todays world we also know more about different cultures and time periods, and about different ways of living and doing things, than the ancients knew of. Instead the ancient sailors and craftsmen were probably much more skillful in doing the things they knew best.

Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

One may allways speculate what people in the distant past could made with their available materials and tools if just they knew how to do it.Then one may speculate about the possibillity of re-creating a society of the 21.st century (or more) from a situation were everything seems destroyed.

Ancient technologies and handicraft can be an alternative if our own technological way of life should for some reason collapse. War, some greater natural disasters or lack of essential raw materials (like oil) could put people in a situation when some down to earth skills and handicrafts can be useful.


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Now people from the Philippines also have a replica of an ancient boat, a so called Balangay with which they will sail in south East Asia and also to Madagascar, using ancient techniques of navigating without instruments.
 
(for those interested in ancient navigation technique see also whalebreaths thread about the master navigator Mau Piailug from Micronesia who navigated the Hokulea polynesian craft from Hawaii to Tahiti: http://www.allempires.net/forum/death-of-mau-piailug-master-pacific-navigator_topic125775.html )

The Balangay from the Philippines is launched by a team of people that earlier have climbed the Mount Everest.




Replica of ancient Pinoy boat set to sail SE Asia


Quote The leader of the first Philippine Mt. Everest expedition is embarking on another epic adventure -- to navigate the waters of the archipelagic areas of Asia as the early Filipinos did on a replica of a balangay, a pre-colonial boat.



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I like the Ming junk, but the others were very extravagent.
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Now they are building a replica of a treasure ship from Zheng He´s fleet (1405-1433). The replica will be 71,1 meters long and have six masts. It is due to set sail on its first voyage in the year 2014.
 

 
 
 
 


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I'd like to see a Carib boat replica from the Caribbean. Apparently they used stiff sails  (coconut fibre I think). They travelled long distances over stormy seas.  Unlike the peacable Tainos whom Columbus first encountered, they were warlike cannibals.
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http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1231/4729149986_9bec3ee4bf_z.jpg

Here is the Elizabeth II (a replica) this ship was a carrack that carried the first English Colonists to the New World in 1587. Of course as we know that colony failed. Anyone that wants to see this ship should go the Festival Park in North Carolina
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