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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Dec 2009 at 19:08
Originally posted by DivideAndConquer DivideAndConquer wrote:

And yes, the Bulgars had a 12 cycle calender as well as other ancient Turkic people that originated from China.
Let me rephraze from a point of view that the Bulgar tribes were not originally turkic:
Do not forget that there is no sources who took the calendar from who.
Do not forget that the Bulgar Calendar is considered to be the more precise in the world and is protected by Unesco
Neither the Chinese, nor the Turkic had such a precise calendar. Therefore it is either that the Bulgars improved it after copying from someone else. Or the copycats Turks didnt do a good job of stealing someone elses achievementsLOL
 
It is an established fact that this 12 calendar was first developed in China.  Claims that Bulgar calendar was better than the Chinese is just a good laugh. LOL
 
I see where you going. Next time it will be something like "It were Bulgars who built Egyptian pyramids and discovered America..."
 
Calm down your exagerrated Bulgarian chauvinism.


Edited by Sarmat - 22 Dec 2009 at 20:36
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 2009 at 16:55
Instead of insulting peoples opinion, explain where the hungarians came from then.
Regarding the ancient Bulgarian calendar, it is based on the Sun and Jupiter, unlike the Chinese or the Turkic calendars which are lunar calendars. Do a bit of research as obviously you do not have a mind of your own.
 
"It has been proven that the ancient Bulgarians had one of the most advanced calendars in the world, more acceptable than the chinese and the Indian systems of chronology, more accessible and more practical."
Prof. Michele Longon, "Population et Societe". France
The twelfve-year animal cycle calendar of the Bulgarians which estimates precisely the lenght of the Earth year by measuring the period of the movement of Jancul(Jupiter) around the Sun, is the theoritical basis for the design of a unified calendar of mankind adopted by UNESCO.
 
Here is a link with more explanation:
 
And below are some interesting quotes from famous or ancient people. I do not know which is true, so you can call them liers if you wish.
 
“Persians and Magi and Bulgars are one thing. They are all strangers on this land.”
Medieval chronicle
"Two nations collided, to which retreat has never been helpful in battle. Both the Goths and the Bulgarians wеre surprised that people like them could be found and that among the mankind they could find an adversary equal to themselves… They, the Bulgarians, which never doubted in their victory and from which the world was astonished…! This is the nation that before you had everything it wanted – a nation, which acquired titles, which bought its nobility with the blood of its enemy. A nation, in which the battlefield glorifies the family, because for them, without a hesitation, the nobler is considered he whose weapon is more blood-stained in battle. Earlier, they – the Bulgarians – believed that the world is open for them, but now they think that closed for them is only that part of the land, which you keep!"
Enodius from “Eulogy for the Gothic king Teodorikh”, V century AD

“The word Bulgarian means a worthy, wise man.”
Jagfar Tarikh – history of the Volga Bulgarians, 1098 AD
“In Bulgaria, during the times of Khan Krum, the words that meant lie, betrayal, treason, unconscientiousness, miserliness, envy, calumny were unknown.”
Michelle de Montaines – “Essays”, XVI century AD

“Simeon was the Bulgarian Charles the Great (Charlemagne) and even more fortunate than him, because he created the basics of a national literature.”
Alfred Rambo
“The Old-Bulgarian literature achieves high levels of development earlier than the literatures of the other Slavic nations. It is with a century older than the Russian literature.”
Academician Dmitriy Lihachov

“The Bulgarians stand at the basis of human civilization.”
Fransoa Miteran
"The Bulgarians were the people who contributed the most for the organization and formatrion of the civilization of the whole eastern Europe and its introduction into the civilized world
Prof. Geza Fecher, Hungary
"the historic merit of Bulgaria is the fact that it barred the Turks from Europe. It paid for that in blood, paid with its faith, its freedom and with the decline of its brilliant culture in that time."
Prof. Sante Grachotti - Italy.
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"In the other world, in paradise, the beauty of a woman surpasses even the beauty of the Bulgarian woman"
Adaloloddin Mohammad Balhi -12th century persian poet.
"Ucrainians, as well as Russians and Byelorussians, we all remember where our script and roots of culture and Ortodoxy have come from. I want to remind the fact that two of the Patriarchs of the Ucraine are ethnic Bulgarians - Tsamblak and Kiprian"
Vjacheslav Pohvalski - Ucrainian Ambassador in Bulgaria.
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"The Bulgarian medieval culture is among the seven civilizations in the history of the world which played an essencial role because of its mission as a link between the East and the West"
prof. Shigioshi Matsuiama - Japanese Historian
"The meaning of the name "Bulgarian" is wise, knowledgeable man"
Abu Hamid al Aldalusi - XII century arabian traveller
"The beggining and the possibility for the formation and development of the present Balkan nations started with the creation of Danube Bulgaria"
Prof. Geza Fecher, Hungary
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 2009 at 17:15
And another one:
Mikhail the Syrian - Patriarch of Antiohia, called for his scholarly distinctionand erudition Mar Mikhail the Great. Here is what he says: "At those times there came from internal Skitia (Central Asia) three brothers,wholead with them 30 000 Skitians, and took the road of 60 days to the gorges of Imeon (Pamir and Hindukush) to the river Tanais (the Don),which flows into the lake of Meotida. Those people were named by the Romans Bulgars."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 2009 at 17:30
Some more quotes from ancient people which gods the Bulgars served to:
 
The Arab scholar El-Balhi (cir. 850). Here is what he says:
" It is interesting that all peoples have their own names for the Creator. The Arabs call Him Allah in the singular, and the other deities they call Illah; the Persians call Him Hormuz, Ized, Yazdan. In Zaratustra he is called Hormuz, but I have also heard the names Khod- Eht and Khod-Boreht, which means He-Himself. The Indians and the people of Sind (Pakistan) call him sh*ta Vabit and Mahadeva. The Turkic people say Bir Tengri*, which means, There is one God. The Christians of Syria say Laha Raba Kuadussa. The Jews say in their Jewish language: Elohim Adonai or Ehie Asher Ehie. Elohim means god in their language. I heard the Bulgarians call the Creator with the name Edfu and when I asked them how they call their idol, they answered Fa. I also asked the Copts what is their name for the Creator. They answered Ahad Shanak. (M. Tahir, Le livre de la creation de el-Balhi. Paris, 1899, v. IV, p. 56).
 
A fresh example how history can be hidden for years is the fact that during World War 2, the bulgarians saved all 50 000 Jews on the teritory of Bulgaria. This was not studied in Bulgarian schools,neither in any European. I dont know about America. But the communists at least did not destroy the evidence so it is now a proved fact
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 2009 at 17:32
How about a little "critical" reading of the sources?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 2009 at 17:42
I have all of you to criticizeLOL
I have no way of knowing what is true unfortunately as my time machine is broken, maybe you can tell me some better sources which I should check?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 2009 at 18:51
Originally posted by DivideAndConquer DivideAndConquer wrote:

Instead of insulting peoples opinion, explain where the hungarians came from then.
 
How did I insult any of your "opinions" regarding Hungarians?  Confused  Stop taking these pills...
 
Originally posted by DivideAndConquer DivideAndConquer wrote:

Regarding the ancient Bulgarian calendar, it is based on the Sun and Jupiter, unlike the Chinese or the Turkic calendars which are lunar calendars. Do a bit of research as obviously you do not have a mind of your own.
 
 "It has been proven that the ancient Bulgarians had one of the most advanced calendars in the world, more acceptable than the chinese and the Indian systems of chronology, more accessible and more practical."
Prof. Michele Longon, "Population et Societe". France
 
Seriously, stop taking this... When I googled Prof. Michele Longon, the top source on the list was "stormfront.org," perhaps this is the proper audience for you to discuss such nonsense...
 
From what you had written I understood that you proved that on your own, or you actually are Prof. Michel Longon. Which option is correct?
 

 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 2009 at 19:40
I dont know who Prof. Michele Longon is and I said it above.
 
Regarding the bulgarian calendar, it was thought that the dates when the Bulgarian kings ruled, known from the Nominalia of the Bulgarian princes was incorrect, because they were presuming the calendar was based on the turkic language.
When the Turkic translation were replaced with the Pamir translations, the dates in the Nominalia of the Bulgarian Princes all came to place.
Think whatever you like, but your children or grandchildren will study it one day.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 2009 at 20:12
Yes, they will as one of the most laughable examples of mental preversions caused by pseudo "patriotism"...
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 2009 at 20:25
Originally posted by Sarmat Sarmat wrote:

Yes, they will as one of the most laughable examples of mental preversions caused by pseudo "patriotism"...
                            
This is such a worthy conversation isnt it? Do you have anything else so full of worthy meaning to say?
 
OK, I am trying one more time. Would you please tell me on what is based your opinion that Bulgars were turks? If you do not intend to give a meaningfull answer, then s**t off and dont be annoying me.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 2009 at 20:58
I am closing this because there does not seem that there is a possibility that it will go anywhere positive.
 
DivideAndConquer, please read the AE Code of Conduct concerning language and personal insults.
 
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