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    Posted: 28 Nov 2009 at 23:55
Rwanda is set to join the Commonwealth after having unanimous approval of member nations. It will join Mozambique as the only non-British colonies.
http://allafrica.com/stories/200911240002.html

The commonwealth must be fairly strong in south-east africa then? If it has attracted two new members. I've always viewed the commonwealth as little more than a club to arrange cricket matches.


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The only advantage that the commonwealth gives to anyone is that you are not considered a foreigner in a fellow member country.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote drgonzaga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Nov 2009 at 16:04
Originally posted by Sparten Sparten wrote:

The only advantage that the commonwealth gives to anyone is that you are not considered a foreigner in a fellow member country.
 
The '"irrelevance" of the Commonwealth is highly exaggerated. Even within the context of the European Union, the Commonwealth is a rather formidable NGO. The cooperative economic aspects of the association can not be underestimated and directly explains the association of both Rwanda and Mozambique. Fortunately, the absence of high profile advocacy--only rarely do the associated nations make heavy noise on a particular topic, apartheid being a case in point--at least preserves the maintenance of channel-for-communications and in that respect greases the wheel of international diplomacy. In some respect this forum is more effective than the UN, hence to dismiss the entity altogether is a serious mistake. Now, admittedly, it will be fun to watch how all the modish palaver over "climate change" will play among its member states...
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The diplomatic pressure of suspension or expulsion from the Commonwealth is also not insignificant.
 
And I wouldn't write off the importance of Comonwealth honours and titles to various leading figures either, no matter how trivial such things may seem to those who haven't been close to the system.


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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Fortunately, the absence of high profile advocacy--only rarely do the associated nations make heavy noise on a particular topic, apartheid being a case in point--at least preserves the maintenance of channel-for-communications and in that respect greases the wheel of international diplomacy

I'm not sure I'd go that far, there's been quite a lot of 'heavy noise' over Zimbabwe, and a fair amount of 'light noise' over Fiji. But its probably fair to say that the commonwealth only makes noise about its (suspended) members.

Does this mean that Rwanda will start teaching English instead of French? It probably makes sense from their perspective, as there is a lot more trade potential with Uganda and Tanzania than with conflict ridden eastern Congo (and I'm guessing they will have other languages in common with Burundi?)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote drgonzaga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 2009 at 03:10
Well, Omar, I think the Internet will pretty much deal kaput to French pretensions as the international language of diplomacy and interchange. However, you must keep in mind that Rwanda-Burundi was Belgium's reward after World War I and that originally this region was part of German East Africa and its communications were always eastward toward the Indian Ocean. Why should they look to the westward at the failed state of Congo?
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I find it amazing that a body representing a colonial legacy is so attractive that it includes the membership of former colonies, and also attracts non members.
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Its stated intention is no longer to appear as that since it dropped the prefix of "British".

I agree with Dr that it is greatly underrated.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SPQR Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jan 2010 at 18:24
Its interesting to see these leagues and groups forming like the Francephony, Commonwealth, and the League of Arab States... I believe there is a league of Asian countries as well right?

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Originally posted by SPQR SPQR wrote:

Its interesting to see these leagues and groups forming like the Francephony, Commonwealth, and the League of Arab States... I beleive there is a leage of Asian countries as well right?

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Interesting, never heard of them before seems like eventually one day the World could be comprised of mega countries that are the Leagues and groups today.

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Originally posted by Omar Al Hashim Omar Al Hashim wrote:

I'm not sure I'd go that far, there's been quite a lot of 'heavy noise' over Zimbabwe, and a fair amount of 'light noise' over Fiji. But its probably fair to say that the commonwealth only makes noise about its (suspended) members.


Exactly, the UK would soon complain when they have sudden influx of Rwandans into their country as many collegiate Africans' sometimes choose to pursue their career endeavor in the  country, this sometimes contributes to the plaguing ''Brain Drain'' in the countries.
Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:


Does this mean that Rwanda will start teaching English instead of French? It probably makes sense from their perspective, as there is a lot more trade potential with Uganda and Tanzania than with conflict ridden eastern Congo (and I'm guessing they will have other languages in common with Burundi?)

Maybe English is already spoken in the countries of Burundi and Rwanda, there is also a common ''Hutu'' population in both countries so there is a language barrier at all.

The trade relations with Uganda and Tanzania is not due to them being former commonwealth colonies, it is due to Rwanda being land locked, therefore they have a disadvantage in ''exports and imports''. They interest in Eastern Congo is not only a result of economic interest but also Paul  Kagame and Museveni( Uganda and Rwanda presidents) sent aid to the Paul Kabila and his ''AFDL''in the Second Congo War, Kagame and Mueseveni did not feel they were rewarded as they should , and they regretted aiding  Kabila  and AFDL. There was  also tribal interest that played a crucial role.

Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:


Why should they look to the westward at the failed state of Congo?


For more reasons than one. First and fore most they are many occupants of the region of the Eastern Congo , who are Banyamulange an( akined tribe of the Tutsi or considered as Tutsi themselves). The Eastern Congo is home to cobalt and other precious natural resources that are used in the Electronic Manufacturing industry. Some of these natural resources are exclusive to the Eastern Congo.  Besides many Eastern Congolose do not feel they have a connection with DRC as a whole anyway.



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