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    Posted: 05 Jan 2016 at 11:33
can anyone shed any light on this passasge from my family ancestry history?
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A VERY OLD (ANCIENT) FAMILY SARACEN CAME FROM ZAMBUT,
FOUNDER OF THE TOWN OF SAMBUCA IN THE PROVINCE OF AGRIGENTO
WHEN CAME THE COUNT RUGGIERO IN SICILY. THIS SARACEN ZAMBUT
WANTED TO STAY FAITHFUL TO THOSE HE SERVED AND COUNT RUGGIERO
LET HIM PASS AT THE SACRED FOUNT OF BAPTISM THE--
FAMILY name zammuto. ( where my vlast name came from)

1. ive searched high and low and cant find anything on where zambut would be today if it still existed. can anyone help me with that?

2. two thimgs in this passage are in direct conflict: it says he founded sambuca( today saambuca di sicilia) which we know was founded between 827 and 831. heres the thing this conflicts with: its referring to him being a saracen mercenary hired by count roger of normandy to expel the othet arab muslims who comtrolled the island. ibknow this os true that roger hired arab mercenaries to fight against the other arabs is true, but roger didnt start his invasion of the island untill 1050 putting a 220 year time gap inbetween the 2 events. obviously this guy didnt live that long. can anyone explain this descrepensy?!

Edited by george134 - 05 Jan 2016 at 11:35
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote franciscosan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jan 2016 at 16:20
On wikipedia, Sambuca is a liquer(?), the name of which comes from (?)arabic(?) Zammut, So I assume that
your Zambut is another version of Zammut, same name as above but a place rather than an object, Zambut=Zammut=in Italian, Sambuca.  The town under its (arabic?/Saracen?) name is Zambut, and when Roger comes along it gets changed to Sambuca. 
I think that the inscription deals with two events, the foundation of the town by the family, and then _when_ Roger came, service with Roger and conversion (baptism).  It sounds to me like at this (much) later time, the family name Zammuto was adopted, probably in honor of the family having founded the town a long time before that.  Just from what you show me, I don't think the subject of this passage is one individual, but rather the family that founds the town, and some 220 years later serves under Roger, converts, and adopts the family name.
I hope this helps.
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Not quite an answer, but some usable background....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Islam_in_southern_Italy
http://www.unrv.com/forum/blog/31-caldrails-blog/
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thats definitley an interesting posibility I hadnt thought of thats also very viable, thank you
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