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    Posted: 14 Jan 2021 at 03:41
Does Semitic god Dagon patronizing fishermen in Eastern Mediterranean have any relation to the etymology of the name of the former fishing village of Yangon (formerly called Dagon) in today's Myanmar? 
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If there is a connection, it is deeply, deeply, deeply hidden, if the Illuminati show up at your door one evening, you might ask them.  I would consider it akin to the God-dog hypothesis, which only works in English.  
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Well, I don't want to seem paranoid. I ain't an adherent of conspiracy theories either. But that's not the only linguistic question I have here to ask.

For instance, the money currency of such Turkic speaking countries as Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan is called "Manat". Manat is also the name of Arab pagan goddess that had some relation to measurement (this was before Arab embraced monotheism). The online etymological dictionaries seem to somehow disregard the obvious similarity in phonology and semantics.  

The thing about Turkish language is that the concentration of Arab loan-words in it is particularly high for the words which have "M"as their first letter. Historically Arab culture had a tremendeous impact on Turkic-speaking people. So...


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Looking it up on wiki, manat was goddess of destiny and fate, not mensuration??  But, of course, that dealing with an English interpretation, so maybe there is more to the story.  I am inclined to think it is a coincidence, and if it is not a coincidence, then so what?  Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan adoption of Manat seems like it would be post-Islamic, not something held over from pre-Islamic times, from thousands of miles away.  It would seem like to me that manat would stem from 'money' or 'monetary,' but I would be skeptical of those also.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Looking it up on wiki, manat was goddess of destiny and fate, not mensuration??  But, of course, that dealing with an English interpretation, so maybe there is more to the story.  I am inclined to think it is a coincidence, and if it is not a coincidence, then so what?  Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan adoption of Manat seems like it would be post-Islamic, not something held over from pre-Islamic times, from thousands of miles away.  It would seem like to me that manat would stem from 'money' or 'monetary,' but I would be skeptical of those also.

Well, I agree, it could be because of Russian influence. In Russian language a coin means "moneta" (although the funny thing is that the Russian word for "money"  - den'gi - originally was borrowed from Tatar-Turkic word "tenge" - which is also the name of the currency of modern day Kazakhstan).

Some online sources claim that the word "moneta" for coin is likely to have been borrowed by Russians from Polish. This could be true because Poland used to be the main supplier of silver to Russia back in 17th century. Polish silver was used to mint Russian coins. However because of frequent wars with Poland such economic dependency  eventually led to Copper riot in Moscow in 1662, when Russian government secretly reduced the amount of silver in Russian coins due to shortage of silver:

Azerbaijan was conquered by Russian empire from Persian empire in the first half of the 19th century, whereas Turkmenistan was conquered by the very end of 19th century during so-called the Great game. I ain't sure about Azeri people, but Turkmeni people lived pretty much by wild tribal life in 19th century, which gave very little space for mining metals and minting their own coins (although some local Turkmeni warheads could have prompted the circulation of their own coins nearby their home bases, unlikely to be wide-scale though).   
   
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