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Sensible Solutions to Northern Ireland

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Poll Question: What is your ideal solution to Northern Ireland
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    Posted: 08 Sep 2013 at 19:43
Northern Ireland is still a mess. There Are solid groups who see their identity as (respectively by number) British, Irish and "Northern Irish"and an ideal solution would respect the aspirations of all communities.

I would like to see shared sovereignty myself
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Northern Ireland should return to Ireland.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Woofer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2013 at 03:02
Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Northern Ireland should return to Ireland.


GO  Away. We know in advance you opinion on everything.

Ditto Buckskins.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Windemere Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2013 at 07:09
To me, it seems that shared sovereignty of Northern Ireland, by Britain and Ireland, is the current de facto political situation. Although Northern Ireland remains officially ( de jure ) part of the United Kingdom (Britain).
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Originally posted by Windemere Windemere wrote:

To me, it seems that shared sovereignty of Northern Ireland, by Britain and Ireland, is the current de facto political situation. Although Northern Ireland remains officially ( de jure ) part of the United Kingdom (Britain).


The republic certainly has influence but I don;t see it as sovereignty in any way.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Sep 2013 at 17:09
Originally posted by Woofer Woofer wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Northern Ireland should return to Ireland.


GO  Away. We know in advance you opinion on everything.

Ditto Buckskins.


Buckskins has been banned a long time ago and is no longer with us. So you need not concern yourself with him.

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I believe Northern Ireland should be returned to Ireland as a fair conclusion to the English domination of Ireland that lasted at the least four centuries (though we could expand the time frame). It is true that the Northern Ireland has its own identity however and I could possibly agree with a shared sovereignty solution to keep the peace.

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Absolutely. I agree.
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Originally posted by fusong fusong wrote:

I believe Northern Ireland should be returned to Ireland as a fair conclusion to the English domination of Ireland that lasted at the least four centuries (though we could expand the time frame). It is true that the Northern Ireland has its own identity however and I could possibly agree with a shared sovereignty solution to keep the peace.



 This is not a territory dispute between Ireland and the UK, given the chance the UK would have handed the entirety over to the Irish Free state in 1922 and rid itself of the matter.

This is about real people and their often multiple affilliations and finding a solution that reflects everyone's needs. Just putting the area under Republic control gives the republic a vast new problem to deal with, the loyalist population who would restart violence to resist it.

How would you position solve anything?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lirelou Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2013 at 14:27
As someone with a parent with roots in Antrim, I have to say that Woofer's post above makes the most sense. I didn't cast a vote because I'm American, not Irish. I have more in common with Penguin and CV than I do with any real Irish on this forum, though I may actually know more about some Irish issues than most Americans. It's a conundrum that must be settled among the Irish themselves,m and only they have any right to cast a vote.  

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Woofer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Sep 2013 at 17:02
I am both British and Irish. Both my parents are from the republic but I was born in the UK, in a suburb of London, but went to a Roman Catholic school where having an Irish surname was the norm and a good quarter of us had 2 Irish parents. I also worked for 2 years in Northern Ireland so I am pretty au fait with the situation.

I appreciate that lirelou's position that it is an Irish issue for them (us) to settle I have a real problem with people from aborad who haven't a clue on the issue  telling me what is going on. Whilst in the US I had people telling me that the British occupied all of Ireland and that Dublin had British soldiers patrolling the streets. I had slightly better educated people who knew that there was a republic of Ireland but couldn't beleive that most Irish people despise the IRA and that Sinn Fein is a small minority party in the ROI.

We are in the twenty first century when what matter is PEOPLE not jingoistic flag wavers and their immature demands that certain land implicitly belongs to certain peoples.




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Would any sane Irish government really want an armed, determined and totally disaffected minority, having seen the British floundering with a similar problem for so long?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Feb 2014 at 16:03
I would love to see a united Ireland.

Once the deed was done, I think the Protestant people living in the six counties would find that their lives would be unchanged.

Protestant and Catholics have lived side by side in harmony for many years in the Irish Republic.

The time is long overdue for old wounds to be healed and peace to prevail.

The Wolfe Tones said it perfectly:-

"We're on the one road
Sharing the one load
We're on the road to God knows where
We're on the one road
It may be the wrong road
But we're together now who cares
North men, South men, comrades all
Dublin, Belfast, Cork and Donegal
We're on the one road swinging along
Singing a soldier's song

Though we've had our troubles now and then
Now is the time to make them up again
Sure aren't we all Irish anyhow
Now is the time to step together now

(Chorus repeat)

Tinker, tailor, every mother's son
Butcher, baker shouldering his gun
Rich man, poor man, every man in line
All together just like Old Land Syne

(Chorus repeat)

Night is darkest just before the dawn
From dissention Ireland is reborn
Soon we'll all be United Irishmen
Make our land a Nation Once Again"

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"Little changed"?

They may found a shock about the cost of their health care or the cost of their 'free' education.

A great many may find themselves unemployed since the British State is a very large employer and I presume these jobs will go or will the Irish Republic now employ them?
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Originally posted by Kevinmeath Kevinmeath wrote:

"Little changed"?

They may found a shock about the cost of their health care or the cost of their 'free' education.

A great many may find themselves unemployed since the British State is a very large employer and I presume these jobs will go or will the Irish Republic now employ them?
 
 
So be it.
 
If the Irish decision is to unify with the Republic the people should be well aware of the pros and cons.
 
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