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If greenies can not even change their own diapers, don't hold your breath over anything else , Carch!Shocked
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Well, maybe the greenies are the future, wanting to preserve something of the Earth and its resources.
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Hoooooooooooooooooooooowl! There is no "future" in the realm of the greenies, after all their premise is stasis!
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Hoooooooooooooooooooooowl! There is no "future" in the realm of the greenies, after all their premise is stasis!


On the contrary, they are among the few in politics that have visions that stretches beyond the next election.
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"Ah...the music of the Children of the Night!"
 
 
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I see that you are in to those cosy old Universal pictures.
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Not only Universal, I love them all...last night I watched Alexander's Rag Time Band (1938) with Tyrone Power, Don Ameche, Alice Faye, Ethel Merman, Jack Haley and a host of memorable "stock" players.
 
 
Yes, I am into "film preservation"...just let those Swedish wolves take care of themselves or at least it's up to the Swedes to pay attention to them and not anyone else since everybody but the Swedes apparently knows how to as already amply proved. 
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Yes, I read that Minnesota has about 3000 wolves on a area half that of Sweden, and still Minnesota has a lot of hunters. They have obviously not the same attitude towards wolves as some Swedish hunters.
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Perhaps you can begin to "teach" your compatriots by demanding that Jack London's White Fang (1906) and Call of the Wild (1903) be made mandatory reading in Sweden's educational system.
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Can maybe be difficult in some schools since Jack London are not considered so pc today. Some of his novels are considered to violent and he is also considred to have been a rabiat racists.
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[Perhaps it] may be difficult in some schools since Jack London [is] not considered so pc today. Some of his novels are considered to[o] violent and he is also consid[e]red to have been a  [rabid racist].
 
The saints preserve us (albeit you will be uncomfortable with that intercessional call, Carch)! Under such dribble Mark Twain is the quintessential NAZI! Is Sweden but a piss-pot version writ large of Berkeley California and its remarkably scattered logic:
 
 
 
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There were some TV programs about Jack London a while ago that among other things adressed his views about black vs white boxers. Also I remember there were some writings about some library wanting to throw out his Soderhavsnoveller (South Sea Tales, from 1911) from its collections. So indeed he is not PC today.

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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

There were some TV programs about Jack London a while ago that among other things adressed his views about black vs white boxers. Also I remember there were some writings about some library wanting to throw out his Soderhavsnoveller (South Sea Tales, from 1911) from its collections. So indeed he is not PC today.

According to whom? The same people who claimed Swedish men have the same opinion on the role of women in sociecty as the Taleban?


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Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

There were some TV programs about Jack London a while ago that among other things adressed his views about black vs white boxers. Also I remember there were some writings about some library wanting to throw out his Soderhavsnoveller (South Sea Tales, from 1911) from its collections. So indeed he is not PC today.


According to whom? The same people who claimed Swedish men have the same opinion on the role of women in sociecty as the Taleban?


Maybe according to the same people who want to ban the expression negerkung (negro king) from the Pippi Langstrump (Pippi Longstocking) books by Astrid Lindgren, or the ones who want to ban the comic album Tintin i Kongo (Tintin in the Congo) by Herge.


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So we are going to measure matters by the fools among us!?! However, Carch, you keep using these nebulous pronouns and modifiers: "they", "some", "many". Be specific so one can then assess the quality of their argument. There are fools here in the United States who regularly have fits over Twain and his dialectical presentations of language in his composition and demand the removal of The Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn from schools and the public libraries!
Obviously you sympathize with these dolts and if the topic is religion you actually adopt their "train of thought" even to the point of derailment.
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

So we are going to measure matters by the fools among us!?! However, Carch, you keep using these nebulous pronouns and modifiers: "they", "some", "many". Be specific so one can then assess the quality of their argument. There are fools here in the United States who regularly have fits over Twain and his dialectical presentations of language in his composition and demand the removal of The Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn from schools and the public libraries!
Obviously you sympathize with these dolts and if the topic is religion you actually adopt their "train of thought" even to the point of derailment.


Well, actually I have not found any statistics that show exactly how many people that dislike Jack Londons stories, or want to ban the expression negerkung (negro king) in Astrid Lindgrens Pippi books, or want to abolish the Tintin in the Congo album. Maybe a thorough search in newpapers, TV and radio reports and similar sources could give some approximation of their numbers.
But at least one can find articles, letters to editors, reports and similar that discusses these matters.

One organisation that has been active in the debates about Tintin and Astrid Lindgren is Afrosvenskarnas riksforbund (the national organisation of Afro Swedes) but also representatives for political parties, representatives for other organisations and other debaters have brought up these kinds of questions.



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Maybe this subject could even merit a thread of its own sometime.
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