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Shocked The universal phenomenon of displacing the ab origins or the sons and daughters of the soil 
from their lands is not a new one. In the Globalization era, the  multinationals with their mighty 
investments try to displace the people through the nation state to which they are supposed to be
the subjects.  It is not a news indeed. Right from 1780 A.D native people of Andamans were slowly
removed from their soil by various methods by the then colonial empire of the United Kingdom of
Great Brittan.Star Andaman-one of the wonderland of Bio-diversity, their natives viz. Jaravas, Ongis,
sentinelis are bullied and rather exterminated by the modern scientific inventions. Their lands being
grabbed.  Their forest become extinct. their life threatened. Their natural rhythm truncated and 
finally nobody is to voice their miseriesAngry. Being the year of Bio-diversity, this year the UNESCO has submitted a 212 paged report on the current status of this miserable people. It rightly points out the attacks on them, the assaults made on them targeting their very lively hood since the year
1855 A.D. The prey and the predators is the ever staged drama all over the world. The mineral lords,the mines lords, the ore lords are rewriting the history day by day. The huge corporate houses thrive on them. Who should withdraw ? from where? The state or the corporates who dictates the State?.One can very well say that the attitude to harm the harmless should withdraw or leave the mind set of the modern corporate people Clap

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Propaganda at the service of the NGOs! The "current status of [the] miserable people" comes across as one of the more blatant exercises in contemporary geo-political hypocrisy as one might want particularly when blathered in juxtaposition to what went on and is going on in Haiti! Does one want to admit that these "do-gooders" are themselves practicing all of the purported arts that serve as whips for the tirades against "corporate" villains? The year of "Bio-diversity" leaves one breathless in many ways and should serve as warning that perhaps George Orwell was a "true" prophet.
 
By the way UNESCO may be viewed as the lobbying arm of the NGOs and one must wonder just how much of the funding generated by these groups simply fatten their personal larders and how much ends up in the hands of the "miserable" ones. The stats for Haiti alone are not pretty!
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

  Propaganda at the service of the NGOs! The "current status of [the] miserable people" comes across as one of the more blatant exercises in contemporary geo-political hypocrisy as one might want particularly when blathered in juxtaposition to what went on and is going on in Haiti!
 
Why bring Haiti to this discussion? One bad thing in one place do not excuse a bad thing in another place. So better adress questions of Haiti in a separate thread.
 
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

 Does one want to admit that these "do-gooders" are themselves practicing all of the purported arts that serve as whips for the tirades against "corporate" villains? The year of "Bio-diversity" leaves one breathless in many ways and should serve as warning that perhaps George Orwell was a "true" prophet.
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By the way UNESCO may be viewed as the lobbying arm of the NGOs and one must wonder just how much of the funding generated by these groups simply fatten their personal larders and how much ends up in the hands of the "miserable" ones. The stats for Haiti alone are not pretty!
 
Well, actually some NGO:s actually adress the needs and problems of peoples whose voices otherwise would never been heard in the buzz of the big news of the world. Also these small  peoples (as the Andamanese) deserves to have someone helping them defending their right to their land, their culture and their lives.
And if UNESCO also want to give a helping hand to small, threatened people one should really celebrate such a commitment and not try to make it look suspicious.
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The better question, Carch, is "If you exclude the narrative of experience in one instance how valid any of the palaver in another?" Frankly, you are being quite hypocritical in all of this talk of NGOs " "addressing the needs and problems of peoples" and then precluding the actual track record, which in the end is little different from that of the "missionaries" you perpetually rant against! AE is a History Forum not a platform in which to display the latest agiprop from your favored groups instance by instance. As for "the buzz of the big news of the world" how different that from the "buzz" generated as a fund raising arm of these organizations that claim no one would have heard of "such-and-such" save for their benign(?) presence. A "racist" identity is not necessary as background to giving "a helping hand to small, threatened people" since these last are as close to you as your own back door!
 
Perhaps your real fear is summarized by this old early 20th century jingle: How do keep them on the farm after they've seen Paree!
 
Your answer is a simplistic one: Build them segregated enclosures and wish them good luck!
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WHAT?!?

No, why the hell would we do that? Andaman Islands belongs to India.
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Originally posted by Vajra Vajra wrote:

WHAT?!?

No, why the hell would we do that? Andaman Islands belongs to India.
Apparently India would do so to protect the poor natives from exploitation. Confused
Which I don't even think are honourable intentions
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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

Originally posted by Vajra Vajra wrote:

WHAT?!?

No, why the hell would we do that? Andaman Islands belongs to India.
Apparently India would do so to protect the poor natives from exploitation. Confused
Which I don't even think are honourable intentions


Personally I think India should build a giant jungle for them, plant camera's everywhere, and sell the subsequent tv show to millions of westerners who can admire their noble savage on their reservation from afar.

Then before going to bed, they can enjoy the aroma of their own farts while smugly patting themselves on the back.


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Now that's a brilliant idea!
 
Bug Sentinal Island so we can observe them at all times. Then turn it into a reality TV show and make millions.
 
Of course, we'd do it purely in the name of research and the monitoring facilities are solely to prevent their exploitation - illegal loggers and such. But research should be widely available, there shouldn't be a secret knowledge.
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Is there any way we could fit scientific whale harvesting into this plan?

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Originally posted by Parnell Parnell wrote:




Personally I think India should build a giant jungle for them, plant camera's everywhere, and sell the subsequent tv show to millions of westerners who can admire their noble savage on their reservation from afar.

Then before going to bed, they can enjoy the aroma of their own farts while smugly patting themselves on the back.

I think many westerners see these people as something more than a voiceless abstraction seemingly useful only for the denigration of particular Western attitudes. But you'll tell me you see them as more than that, yes?

Be careful Parnell, or you may be guilty of exactly what you are satirising.



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Originally posted by Parnell Parnell wrote:




Personally I think India should build a giant jungle for them, plant camera's everywhere, and sell the subsequent tv show to millions of westerners who can admire their noble savage on their reservation from afar.

Then before going to bed, they can enjoy the aroma of their own farts while smugly patting themselves on the back.

I think many westerners see these people as something more than a voiceless abstraction seemingly useful only for the denigration of particular Western attitudes. But you'll tell me you see them as more than that, yes?

Be careful Parnell, or you may be guilty of exactly what you are satirising.


I'm satirising a western attitude that believes 300,000 established residents should make way for 2,000 indigenous people.
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Originally posted by Parnell Parnell wrote:

Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Originally posted by Parnell Parnell wrote:




Personally I think India should build a giant jungle for them, plant camera's everywhere, and sell the subsequent tv show to millions of westerners who can admire their noble savage on their reservation from afar.

Then before going to bed, they can enjoy the aroma of their own farts while smugly patting themselves on the back.

I think many westerners see these people as something more than a voiceless abstraction seemingly useful only for the denigration of particular Western attitudes. But you'll tell me you see them as more than that, yes?

Be careful Parnell, or you may be guilty of exactly what you are satirising.


I'm satirising a western attitude that believes 300,000 established residents should make way for 2,000 indigenous people.

Whose western attitude is that? Hardly the mainstream. And the questions of 'should' and 'will' are very different. Maybe if a group are there long enough it gives them entitlement? Plantations in Ulster? Amerindian resettlement? It all depends how far back you want to go. Maybe the 300,000 established residents shouldn't be there, but that doesn't necessarily advocate their removal.



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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

The better question, Carch, is "If you exclude the narrative of experience in one instance how valid any of the palaver in another?" Frankly, you are being quite hypocritical in all of this talk of NGOs " "addressing the needs and problems of peoples" and then precluding the actual track record, which in the end is little different from that of the "missionaries" you perpetually rant against! AE is a History Forum not a platform in which to display the latest agiprop from your favored groups instance by instance. As for "the buzz of the big news of the world" how different that from the "buzz" generated as a fund raising arm of these organizations that claim no one would have heard of "such-and-such" save for their benign(?) presence. A "racist" identity is not necessary as background to giving "a helping hand to small, threatened people" since these last are as close to you as your own back door!
 
Perhaps your real fear is summarized by this old early 20th century jingle: How do keep them on the farm after they've seen Paree!
 
Your answer is a simplistic one: Build them segregated enclosures and wish them good luck!
 
It seems that you misunderstood the most of what you read about NGO:s and also about people that are threatended to be extinguished, culturally and physically. Most experience show that peoples like the Andamanese when assimilated into our so called modern civilization often end up on the bottom of society, in the slum of the third world, and that they face a life in poverty, with criminality, drugs, violence, despair, suicide, prostitution and hopelesness. The examples are really legio if you would bother to do some research into this subject.
And mostly no one cares since most people are occupied with the big issues that fill media. So one shall be glad that some NGO:s actually adress these issues and, in corporation with the peoples themselves, try to save them from being engulfed by the mass culture and succumb to its negative effects.
 


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Originally posted by Vajra Vajra wrote:

WHAT?!?

No, why the hell would we do that? Andaman Islands belongs to India.
 
Actually, Andaman islands belongs to the Andamenese. India is just occupying the islands (they simply took over after the Brits, of course without getting the consent from the Andamanese peoples who are now displaced).
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Originally posted by Parnell Parnell wrote:

Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Originally posted by Parnell Parnell wrote:




Personally I think India should build a giant jungle for them, plant camera's everywhere, and sell the subsequent tv show to millions of westerners who can admire their noble savage on their reservation from afar.

Then before going to bed, they can enjoy the aroma of their own farts while smugly patting themselves on the back.

I think many westerners see these people as something more than a voiceless abstraction seemingly useful only for the denigration of particular Western attitudes. But you'll tell me you see them as more than that, yes?

Be careful Parnell, or you may be guilty of exactly what you are satirising.


I'm satirising a western attitude that believes 300,000 established residents should make way for 2,000 indigenous people.

Whose western attitude is that? Hardly the mainstream. And the questions of 'should' and 'will' are very different. Maybe if a group are there long enough it gives them entitlement? Plantations in Ulster? Amerindian resettlement? It all depends how far back you want to go. Maybe the 300,000 established residents shouldn't be there, but that doesn't necessarily advocate their removal.



Saying they shouldn't be there is one thing and I accept that its a legitimate complaint. Advocating the removal of 300,000 people is not acceptable. Would it be acceptable if indigenous Bolivians booted out anyone of a white or mixed race ethnicity? Its the same principle.

There is no single ethnic group that can lay claim to any part of the planet, bar a few isolate indigenous groups on pacific islands and in Siberia etc. At the time of the Ulster plantation the Celts were a hybrid group of Norse, Picts, Norman, English and Welsh ethnicities. There is no unique claim that the native inhabitants of Ireland can now make over people in the north who describe themselves as 'Scots Irish'. The races are far too mixed for that. And besides, the Celts only booted out the original inhabitants - God knows what ethnicity they were Smile


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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Originally posted by Vajra Vajra wrote:

WHAT?!?

No, why the hell would we do that? Andaman Islands belongs to India.
 
Actually, Andaman islands belongs to the Andamenese. India is just occupying the islands (they simply took over after the Brits, of course without getting the consent from the Andamanese peoples who are now displaced).
 
Since the sense of "Andamanese" exists solely in your mind, Carch, the above analogies are ludicrous and exhibt the folly of intellectualization. You are as much an ideological exploiter as any "illicit logger". Perhaps it would be best to drop this comedia del arti before exposing more of the drift into the absurd.
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Only on AE could a thread like this still be alive.

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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Originally posted by Vajra Vajra wrote:

WHAT?!?

No, why the hell would we do that? Andaman Islands belongs to India.
 
Actually, Andaman islands belongs to the Andamenese. India is just occupying the islands (they simply took over after the Brits, of course without getting the consent from the Andamanese peoples who are now displaced).
 
Since the sense of "Andamanese" exists solely in your mind, Carch, the above analogies are ludicrous and exhibt the folly of intellectualization. You are as much an ideological exploiter as any "illicit logger". Perhaps it would be best to drop this comedia del arti before exposing more of the drift into the absurd.
 
Sometimes your posts make no sense. The andamanese is a collective label of different peoples indigenous to the Andamanese islands. That is ofcourse also a construction, a name, but for the sake of conveniance one can sometimse use such labels and names.
That does not take away from these people the rights as indigenous peoples to their own land.
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When one has to resort to a litany of abstractions in language so as to extend the irrational then Whalebreath's observation rings even truer!
 
Carch you are incorrigible even in the reiteration over "sense"...the next time resist the urge to respond to what you underscore as beyond your comprehension.
 
By the way, how does a "society", any society, that has no sense of proprietorship assert any manifestation of "ownership". Happy logging...


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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

When one has to resort to a litany of abstractions in language so as to extend the irrational then Whalebreath's observation rigns even truer!
 
Carch you are incorrigible even in the reiteration over "sense"...the next time resist the urge to respond to what you underscore as beyond your comprehension.
 
By the way, how does a "society", any society, that has no sense of proprietorship assert any manifestation of "ownership". Happy logging...

The life of the Andamanese is no abstraction, it is reality. And the Andamanese peoples actually have sense of proprietorpship enough to actually defend their land and their lives against intruders.


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Since it seems to be 300,000 Indians contra 1000 locals - even in accordance to the UN charta of "Selfdetermination rights of inhabitans" the indignious locals wouldn't have a chance - since those Indians born on the Andaman Islands sure outweigh those indignious by far.
 
No country in the world will re-allocate 300,000 people due to some 1000 indignious fellows. All that needs to be done IMHO is to protect the indignious such as China's system towards the so called ethnic minorities - or AFAIK has been done in Brasil in the meantime.
 
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Since it seems to be 300,000 Indians contra 1000 locals - even in accordance to the UN charta of "Selfdetermination rights of inhabitans" the indignious locals wouldn't have a chance - since those Indians born on the Andaman Islands sure outweigh those indignious by far.
 
No country in the world will re-allocate 300,000 people due to some 1000 indignious fellows. All that needs to be done IMHO is to protect the indignious such as China's system towards the so called ethnic minorities - or AFAIK has been done in Brasil in the meantime.
 
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Yes, I agree, India will probably not clear out 300 000 people in the near future. One can really hope that they still can in some way protect the indigenous peoples against being engulfed and disappear. For both the Onge, and especially for the Great Andamanese the situation is already critical and they actually risk to vanish totally from the surface of the Earth. For the Jarawas and the Sentinelese the situation is better, but they still are very few and especially the Jarawas experiences many incursions of settlers, loggers, tourist companies, illegal fishers/hunters and others. It is really important that the indian government can keep the Indian population on the Andamanes at bay so they  do not continue to increase their numbers in the they already have done, and that they do not displace the Andamanese.

To clear out most of the Indian population one must see as a much more long-term project (if it ever will happen) which is dependant on Indian political decisions.

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Hello Carcharodon,
 
honestly, I don't believe that Dehli could be bothered about some 1000 indignious Andamanese. IIRC there are dozens if not hundreds of indignious groups living on the Indian subcontinent - and more or less facing extinction. A government or a majority of people that clinches and upholds onto a cast system, that denies human logic and endangers any progress - isn't capable to react onto that kind of issue.
So I guess that the Andamese issue and many others in simmilar composition will dissapear from this earth within this century anyway - not saying that it is correct in any way - but the world has never been fair.
 
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As Mr.Parnell says why should 300K people be thrown out of their homes for 5K natives.
Then similar is the case of Australia,Newzealand and even South Africa.
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Hello Carcharodon,
 
honestly, I don't believe that Dehli could be bothered about some 1000 indignious Andamanese. IIRC there are dozens if not hundreds of indignious groups living on the Indian subcontinent - and more or less facing extinction. A government or a majority of people that clinches and upholds onto a cast system, that denies human logic and endangers any progress - isn't capable to react onto that kind of issue.
So I guess that the Andamese issue and many others in simmilar composition will dissapear from this earth within this century anyway - not saying that it is correct in any way - but the world has never been fair.
 
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It seems that moral, and the rights of indigenous peoples are not any real concerns yet for many countries and for the overall public opinion. That some people are driven to extinction seems to be far away from the political agendas or the international media buzz.
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  As Mr.Parnell says why should 300K people be thrown out of their homes for 5K natives.
 
Simply because the land belongs to te natives. In the 60ties 900 000 french were moved from Algeria, so to move colonial occupiers are not impossible.
 
And in the Andaman case the occupation is relatively recent. Most of the 300 000 indians have come after 1950. Around 1950 there were c 25 000 indians on the islands.
 
Originally posted by ranjithvnambiar ranjithvnambiar wrote:

Then similar is the case of Australia,Newzealand and even South Africa.
 
Yes there are many issues to adress in those cases too.
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Originally posted by ranjithvnambiar ranjithvnambiar wrote:

  As Mr.Parnell says why should 300K people be thrown out of their homes for 5K natives.
 
Simply because the land belongs to te natives. In the 60ties 900 000 french were moved from Algeria, so to move colonial occupiers are not impossible.
 
And in the Andaman case the occupation is relatively recent. Most of the 300 000 indians have come after 1950. Around 1950 there were c 25 000 indians on the islands.
 
Originally posted by ranjithvnambiar ranjithvnambiar wrote:

Then similar is the case of Australia,Newzealand and even South Africa.
 
Yes there are many issues to adress in those cases too.
Most of the indian occupants of present day Andaman Nicobar Islands were taken there by Brirtish either as prisoners or as workers and none moved there after 1950.And most of the residents doesnt have any relatives or have lost their links with their relatives in mainland India and majority of the people are poor and doesnt have the financial capacity to relocate to mainland India.
Government of India is helping the native people of Andaman by giving them reservations in Colleges and schools in mainland.
I dont know much about the natives who stay away from external populations..


Majority of US cituizens are migrants from Europe and in the process of migration and subsequent wars,the native populations have vanished and their culture had been violated and they have been converted to other religions, same had happened in South America too.
Now if you want to retrieve  the culture and life styles of natives what will you do...? will you tell US citizens to vacate it for the sake of natives..? do you think that is possible..?
Such a sort of marginalisation is not happening in Andamans.Still natives are following their own culture...
And India is a very populous country and its only a developing country with a great deal of problems to deal with.So to relocate 300k people of Andamans to mainland India will be the last thing any government will ever think of.
Best thing is  peacefull coexistence with respect for each other
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And in 1950 the population of India was 500 million and in 2001 it was 1100million
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Originally posted by ranjithvnambiar ranjithvnambiar wrote:

Most of the indian occupants of present day Andaman Nicobar Islands were taken there by Brirtish either as prisoners or as workers and none moved there after 1950.And most of the residents doesnt have any relatives or have lost their links with their relatives in mainland India and majority of the people are poor and doesnt have the financial capacity to relocate to mainland India.
Government of India is helping the native people of Andaman by giving them reservations in Colleges and schools in mainland.
I dont know much about the natives who stay away from external populations..
 
Actually there have also been immigration after 1950, and also the 25000 people that lived there in 1950 have increased their numbers. This makes the Indian population today 300 000.
 
Both the Jarawa and Sentinelese tribes have tried to avoid contact with indians and other foreigners, and such meetings have sometimes also ended in violence.
When concerns the Jarawa there has been some contacts (some of them violent when the Jarawas tries to stop illegal poaching). The Sentinelese are still holding their ground and do not let any foreigners into the North Sentinel Island.
The Onge are on the brink of total assimilation and the Great Andamanese (from the beginning they were around 10 different tribes) are on the brink of total extinction.


Originally posted by ranjithvnambiar ranjithvnambiar wrote:

  Majority of US cituizens are migrants from Europe and in the process of migration and subsequent wars,the native populations have vanished and their culture had been violated and they have been converted to other religions, same had happened in South America too.
Now if you want to retrieve  the culture and life styles of natives what will you do...? will you tell US citizens to vacate it for the sake of natives..? do you think that is possible..?
Such a sort of marginalisation is not happening in Andamans.Still natives are following their own culture...
And India is a very populous country and its only a developing country with a great deal of problems to deal with.So to relocate 300k people of Andamans to mainland India will be the last thing any government will ever think of.
Best thing is  peacefull coexistence with respect for each other
 
Unfortunately the Indians are excerting illegeal pressure on Jarawa land, and the tourist companies and local authorities do not respect the protective status of the Jarawas that the Indian central government has decided. And as mentioned the situation for the Onge and Great Andamanese is severely critical.
If the Andamanese peoples shall survive in the long run most of the 300 000 Indians simply have to be relocated back to the mainland, otherwise it will most probably end in tragedy for the unique Andamanese culture (on of the worlds oldest) and people.
It would be a shame if India could not let these peoples survive and return their own native country to them. Still it is just some islands that India could do without (because of this it is also difficult to compare with USA because USA is a very big country and not just some small islands).
A country that can afford atomic weapons ought be able to afford giving some small islands back to their rightful owners.
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One must just "let go" and permit Carcharadon his dream of a globe criss-crossed with "Aboriginal" petting zoos for the sake of reliving the glories of the Stone Age...as for the Andamans, it will all become a footnote once mean oceanic water levels rise a foot or two!
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