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Should India clear out from the Andaman islands?

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There is probably not a square metre of this planet that is under the control of its "true original inhabitants". Everybody came from somewhere else, displacing someone else in lands that they had taken from a previous occupant -- if we all went "home" we would be living in tents and constantly on the move.
What is important, is that there be Justice (political, personal, and cultural) for everyone living everywhere.
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Well, there are some special cases (like the Andamans) where there is a relatively small area where the indigenous inhabitants have a very long continuity (the people in the Andaman is belived to have among the longest continuity on earth), a very special culture and have no other place to live. It is crucial that such people are allowed to keep their land (which is not very big, India can afford to give it back to the original inhabitants) in order to preserve them and their culture.
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No one has "the longest continuity on earth" beyond the average natural life span and based upon that criteria your "special case" has one of the briefest on Earth. You've moved not an iota further in your reasoning Carch, and we are still at the human zoo stage.
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

No one has "the longest continuity on earth" beyond the average natural life span and based upon that criteria your "special case" has one of the briefest on Earth. You've moved not an iota further in your reasoning Carch, and we are still at the human zoo stage.
 
Actually there are people that have longer continual habitation in one area than others. Some ares have been invaded again and again by different peoples, while some areas and its inhabitants have been more undisturbed. The Andamans is such area with a long continuity concerning habitation and culture. The real disturbance in their life came with the colonial occupation, first by the Brits and now by the Indians.
 
And if you want to see a true human zoo, than you just have to look in some of the urban areas of your own country where people live like in an overcrowded cage full of monkeys.


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Survival Iternational suggests a boycott to hinder tourists and tourist companies to invade the land of the Jarawa people:
 
Quote Survivals Director, Stephen Corry said: We are calling today for all tourists to boycott the Andaman Trunk Road, which the local administration has kept open in defiance of a Supreme Court order nine years ago to close it. Despite the regulations tourists are still invading the Jarawas territory, putting their lives at risk and treating them like animals in a zoo. If the situation does not improve we will call for a boycott of all tourism to the Andamans.
 
 
The Jarawas also get support from Sonia Gandhi:
 
Quote Sonia Gandhi, President of Indias ruling Congress party, has strongly backed the right of the isolated Jarawa tribe not to be forced into the mainstream.
 


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Unfortunately all politicians have not the same foresight as Sonia Ghandi. Last year a member of the Indian parliament,  Bishnu Prada Ray, came up with the grotesque proposal that one should remove the children of the Jarawa people and indoctrinate them into living a so called modern Indian life. The proposal is rather similar to the policy of the Stolen generation in Australia or the boarding schools for native children in North America. Some debaters consider Pada Rays plan a plan for genocide and ethnocide.
 
http://intercontinentalcry.org/sickening-call-to-indoctrinate-jarawa-children/
 
http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/6160
 

It seems very hard for some Indians (as this Bishnu Prada Ray) to just let the Andaman indigenous people keep their land and live their own life with their own culture.



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After several centuries of exploitation, I believe it is more than the right time to proclaim "Sweden get out of Gotland"! The careless destruction of the Gutnish language, the blatant discrimination against the religious patrimony by the secular government in Stockholm and its distaste for the island's motto--Gutenses signo xristus signatur in agno, taken together with the concerted political effort to maintain the island as some sort of medieval zoo and open-air museum, is denying the Gotlander their full potential at a political and social consciousness. We will not even discuss the implications of the Gutsaga and its demand that Gutlanders are not Swedes!
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Well, at least we have not the situation in Gotland that the original inhabitants are only around 1000, or less, and invading outsiders are over 300 000. Also the Gotland population usually do not suffer from lack of immunity against diseases brought in from Sweden. On top of that Gotland has belonged to the same cultural sphere as Sweden for a long time while in the Andamans a very unique cultural and ethnic group (or closely related groups), who has been a separate entity for tens of thousands years, are threatened by extinction, because of the relatively recent intrusion of foreigners.



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But there are surely some inhabitants of Gotland who would like to see less of tourists from Stockholm Smile

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Is there any dam in Andaman Island?
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A man can't be a dam, though he would be a damson. A couple could be a womanandaman.
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The Andaman Island has a special status and even Indian need permit(something like Visa) to go the Island, but what has been talked about encroachment is definetely aganist the principles of giving special status for" Tribal Community" which is enshrined in the Constitution of India.
 
The second part of the question is whether India should clear from Andaman Island the answer to it is a definite NO, Instead the tribal should be brought into mainstream by giving them political power to transform the Island populace with proper Health Care and Governance.
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Not only Andaman islands but they have to be cleared from Nicobar island as well. There should be no dams in those islands and the natives should be kept uncivilized, backward and original. The native culture is dying and nobody cares. Indian culture made them slaves by modern technologies. We need to free these people from Indians and kept them isolated from the world.Confused everyone should be able to live peacefully with nature. We have to go back to nature and stop invent things. Cars, factories, cigars are making pollution. We should go back to jungles and leave this madness. Human body is in harmony with nature. lets become vegetarian and stop killing animals. We can drink milk and even cow piss why kill animals? stop wars and go back to jungles and make babies!


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Originally posted by Ramesh V.Naivaruni Ramesh V.Naivaruni wrote:

The Andaman Island has a special status and even Indian need permit(something like Visa) to go the Island, but what has been talked about encroachment is definetely aganist the principles of giving special status for" Tribal Community" which is enshrined in the Constitution of India.
 
The second part of the question is whether India should clear from Andaman Island the answer to it is a definite NO, Instead the tribal should be brought into mainstream by giving them political power to transform the Island populace with proper Health Care and Governance.
 
The Andaman peoples have lived for millennia and got along fine without indians (or brits). it was first with the arrival of foreigners that the problems started. The so called mainstream civilisation has meant death and destruction for most of the Andaman tribes. Indians should definitely clear out. If they want to help the Andamanese they should leave a skeleton crew of medicine doctors, anthropologists and guards that permits intrusion by poachers, illegal fishers and others.
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It is really a shame that the beautiful and unique andamenese culture should be overrun by invaders from a country which is full of conflicts, opression of women, economic inequality, a superstitious caste system, corruption, overpopulation, slums and fanaticism. If this development continuse the original culture risks to deteriorate and collapse.
 
The risk is that the life on the Andamans will go from this:
 
 
to this:
 
 
Indeed a really bleak future.


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