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The leading candidate Joe Biden said basically that socialism is not the answer, candidate and former governor of Colorado Jon Hickenlooper, and candidate and Colorado senator Jon? Bennett said basically the same thing (independently of Joe).

What they mean is that socialism is not viable for the American people, and they think that it will not present a valid choice against Trump.  It is a "false choice."  But, it is good that someone in the democratic party is speaking against the socialism nonsense.

Friedrich Hayek thought that socialists were good intentioned, but the worst sort came to power under socialism.  It comes from the notion that one is going to put someone in power that will 'solve all your problems.'  The power to solve all your problems, is the power to impose.  "Impose" to the extent that one can never tell what was being opposed, family, religion, checks and balances, private property.... 
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No, socialism does not contain the promise of a saviour, rather than would-be saviours spout socialism because it's a useful platform for establishing their own superiority and ousting a former status system. In the UK, we have Jeremy Corbyn, a real socialist... well, actually he's Marxist... who has been desperate to force a general election to get into power. So far he's failed leading to a parliament with one of the longest sessions on record. Recently he tried to usurp parliamentary procedure to gain control of proceedings but got voted down. Phew... That was close. If he gets in, it'll be the seventies all over again. Nationalisation of everything for no good reason except political control, and the expected re-division of profit and earnings for the .. ahem.. common good. In other words, high taxes, inefficient services, low earnings. Not the Britain I want either.
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Quote If he gets in, it'll be the seventies all over again.

Is the world ready for another Enoch Powell?

Is there a socialist country in the world that is flourishing?
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Socialism is a dead horse, Bernie Sanders isn't delivering the message with quite the enthusiasm he had last time around. It won't win the White House, Hickenlooper booed for speaking truth, anyone who employs people won't be fooled by socialism. And right Joe Biden is a racist, ok AOC.

 
Now leftists have started demanding reparations for slavery or an admission to what a bunch of racist white bastards we all are.


23-year-old black columnist says reparations would make young black people 'victims without their consent'

A 23-year-old black columnist argued during a Wednesday Senate hearing that reparations should only be paid to those who lived in slavery and not their descendants.

Coleman Hughes, a writer for Quillette, argued that distributing reparations to young black people would make them slavery "victims without their consent," an assertion that was met with an eruption of boos from those in attendance. (OUR CONGRESS!)



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We know that slavery was a wrong, two wrongs don't make a right.  But, I am not sure that the advocates are really looking for justice.  Some just want a free lunch, others want to get whitey.  

One thing they don't say is that even if they were paid off, in their eyes that would not absolve anyone for such racial "guilt."  No, for the self-proclaimed 'victims,' this is a gift that keeps on giving.  Reparations are not the end of the process, more likely they would be a beginning, a new development.
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Agree franciscosan.
The writer Coleman Hughes who spoke to the congress felt that people who lived in the Jim Crow south, many still with us, should receive a monetary award. I do agree, it would be a great and dignified act. 

I wanted to link Hughes' youtube so that his entire statement could be heard but YOUTUBE has buried him.
The search results don't show his appearance. Only the pro-reparations videos are available from youtube.
This happens often. I hear a news report, I find the story and if its a conservative and especially a black conservative, it just disappears. Some news organizations are still cycling the video.
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Look up Ben Shapiro or Tim Pool (Timcast and a couple other pages).  I don't know if they have footage, but I am pretty sure that at least one addresses Coleman Hughes.  Actually, I am pretty sure that Pool doesn't show it, because his thing is taking online articles and going through them.  Shapiro is an Orthodox Jew whose politically conservative, it is kind of funny (and sad) when he is accused of anti-semitism.  It shows that the regressive (intersectional) left is desperate to smear him with anything and everything.  Tim Pool is was originally a Occupy Wall street protester, he still personally very much has a true liberal/radical bent, both him and Shapiro, I would consider part of the intellectual dark web/free speeches, I would say, like Jordan Peterson, but of course the IDW is like a herd of cats, all united in each going their own direction.
Thomas Sowell is a black conservative (economist) on Youtube, I imagine but haven't checked if Shelby Steele, a black conservative (sociologist) is on as well.  You might check out John McWhorter, a black linguist, he is not conservative so much as an honest a true liberal.  Is it Candace Owens?  She has her own youtube show, she is a black conservative woman, no depth or complexity to her thought, she is not a black intellectual like the others, but maybe give her time. 

I understand what you mean by the Jim Crow south, on the other hand, I think the Japanese internment camp survivors shouldn't have been paid off.  I am not saying that to be mean, and I was friends with a survivor and her husband who was an Japanese-American who was in a boarding school in Japan throughout the war (I think he got stuck there when things started).  I don't begrudge them getting something, but I thought it set a bad precedent.  I wonder when such "generosity" will stop.  Should we pay "back" the Indians?  How about the Guatemalan illegals put up in a Trump camp?  Maybe we should pay off Arab Americans who were beat-up "because" of 9/11?  I am not saying they are not good people.  But where does the chain reaction stop?  Of course, it is an imperfect world, i don't really mind that the internment survivors were given money, but at that point it was the camel's nose in the tent and is easier for the camel to go into the tent, than to get it out.
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It's not a bad idea to do these reparations now while the people who actually have a case to make, are still alive. In 2008 our government officially 'apologized' for slavery. I can't imagine being satisfied with that after all the suffering and all the misplaced rage in our society is spinning out violently. Black Lives Matters made D candidate for president-Pete Buttigieg (Boot-edge-edge)- CRY! Cry
 

If we can absorb all these undocumented Central Americans we should show some love to these survivors of Jim Crow first, IMHO.

I can find the people I'm looking for, I just can't bring them here. We can't post videos that YOUTUBE pulls.  


BIG UPDATE: YouTube has REMOVED the video from their platform. The video is still available on this website page.
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In the French Enlightenment, there was active censorship (in France) but it was incomplete.  Books would get published, a get banned, but not right away, so first editions of controversial works would have very high sales levels.  Also, if one could not publish in France, one could publish in the Netherlands, which was huge in the book trade.  Netherlands was a guggernaut of the banned book trade.

My point is that as far as google or other 'platforms' trying to censor, it is a partial ban and not a very good one at that, like the French Enlightenment, it is not that ideas got out despite censorship, in many ways ideas got out _because_ of the manner of the censorship.  Atheists like Helvetius or Voltaire were celebrities _because_ they were controversial, not despite it.
Google and facebook, and so forth should not be censoring, but it is not like the Great Firewall of China.  At least, not yet.
I have heard if you turn up the heat slowly, the frog will not know to hop out of the water....

I gave you my argument about why I consistently think reparations are a bad idea, now I do believe in aid in various forms to people on a needs basis, but also trying to give in a cost effective way, to try to make sure it does the intended good.  But imo, that is not what is going on with reparations, reparations are that we screwed over someone and feel badly about it, and so need to aswage our consciences.  What is needed is not a payoff, but guarantees that it won't happen again, to them or to anyone else.  A transfer or redistribution of wealth has nothing to do with that.  In fact, it probably says, we _can_ do such things again, as long as we are willing to pay the fee.  
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How long do today's generations have to keep apologising for deeds done by people 200 years ago?

Yes, the Europeans committed atrocities against indigenous peoples, and we can't change that. Apologies have been made in the past-but apparently they don't go far enough. When will this guilt trip end?

But, aren't we going off topic?
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Well if you are supposed victim, you don't apologize, you dwell on the past and either consciously or unconsciously try to leverage it for the future.  You feel, whether it is so or not, that you unjustly received bad things, and therefore now justly should receive good things.  Excuse me if I am a little cynical about it,  Some people think group A were unjustly taken from, and group B were unjustly given to.  That was wrong.  A's answer to the problem is that now we are going to "justly" take from B, and "justly" give to "A".  But, why is the first taking (from A) and giving (to B) unjust?  After all, at the time "they" the (powers that be) probably thought it was just.  In fact, 'we' probably think it is just now, in a fashion similar to 'they' (the powers that be) thought it was just then.

No, of course, I do think some people look away from (their own) past, because it has some ugliness in it.  In general Americans and Europeans got it pretty good, but the fact is we are still, even the most elite, are near the muck and the mire.  We could fall back pretty quick, the question is not do we pretend the nastiness isn't there and pretend like everything is, was, and always will be beautiful, the question is how can we lift up those still in poverty.  One other thing I don't think mankind can work for paradise on this planet, while killing off all the other creatures on the planet.  It is not only a question of saving humanity, but also allowing animals to be, animals.  We are changing the environment radically, but humans are good at adapting to new environments, animals are not.  The Bible advocates a custodial relationship with animals, and so I think there are "reasons" even more basic than reason for preserving the diversity of flora and fauna.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

How long do today's generations have to keep apologising for deeds done by people 200 years ago?

Yes, the Europeans committed atrocities against indigenous peoples, and we can't change that. Apologies have been made in the past-but apparently they don't go far enough. When will this guilt trip end?

But, aren't we going off topic?
Hi toyomotor, 
hey reparations are BETTER THAN SOCIALISM. This is an answer to the injustices both perceived and actual. It would be a smart political move in a country that is divided, it's more tinderbox than country right now.

The West shouldn't apologize for the steam engine.
Jim Crow might have been worse than slavery. This was a violation of our own constitution just start with taxation without representation. Blacks didn't vote until 1965, JC laws started in 1870 that's after the Civil War, part of president Andrew Johnson's horrible reconstruction legacy.

I always thought that the UK had done much better regarding the way slavery was ended. Wilberforce makes a moral argument that the court has to accept, UK didn't have to go to war over it. The US just never got near to the ideal, overcompensating by president Lyndon Johnson suggested that black Americans couldn't run in the same race as white Americans. That's fascist backward thinking for the US we have done better on other social issues but racial problems have always been simmering. 
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Where are you going to get the money for the reparations?  Are you going to take it away from the industrious people, who are actually using it to feed the engine of society?  Are they going to be happy with that?  Are they going to thus "reward" society by becoming less industrious, less conscientious?  Are you going to take from all whites?  how about the Asians, the Jews, or Hispanics?  Maybe the blacks can pay reparations to the American Indians and the American Indians can pay reparations to the blacks.  My family was Italian from Northern France, so we definitely weren't in the US during the Civil War.  But, we did have ancestors in later Missouri, and my mom lived in Texas until she was six.  On the other hand, Italians and Irish were discriminated against too.  So maybe my dad's family should get a check and my mom's family should pay it.

The government that governs the least, governs the best, (all other things being equal).  I don't see expanding the government to right past wrongs, as something positive.  I see it as an expansion of government power, and its potential for mischief, mischief in the name of (social) justice.  Now I do believe in an affirmative action in education on a _needs_ basis (not on a race basis).  This would still benefit many blacks, but it would also benefit poor whites who are more numerous than blacks in numbers, and maybe even in percentage.  However, Black politicians don't want that, they say they are concerned with overall questions of social justice, but one suspects that they are really interested in their power base and rewarding it.  Giving free money on a race base, is not necessarily what is best for getting rid of poverty.  Giving money to the Huxtables will not help the Hillbillies of the Appalachia.  It won't even help the Huxtables. 
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Where are you going to get the money for the reparations? 
How are we paying for the care of Undocumented south & Central Americans?

Quote Are you going to take it away from the industrious people, who are actually using it to feed the engine of society?  Are they going to be happy with that?
No lets take it from the funds that are set aside for illegals. Which as you know comes ultimately from the taxes. Where does ANY money come from? Democrats will cry for illegals but US citizens who had their rights denied for generations are not compelling enough? 
Quote Are they going to thus "reward" society by becoming less industrious, less conscientious?  Are you going to take from all whites?
How are reparations for elderly people who grew up during the Jim Crow South rewarding the less industrious?
Quote   how about the Asians, the Jews, or Hispanics?
When did US harm Hispanics and Jews? Are you comparing WW2 internment camps to Jim Crow?
Quote Maybe the blacks can pay reparations to the American Indians and the American Indians can pay reparations to the blacks.  My family was Italian from Northern France, so we definitely weren't in the US during the Civil War.  But, we did have ancestors in later Missouri, and my mom lived in Texas until she was six.  On the other hand, Italians and Irish were discriminated against too.  So maybe my dad's family should get a check and my mom's family should pay it.
Was there law written to keep the Irish/Italians from assimilating? No. There was prejudiced but US didn't codify it!

Quote The government that governs the least, governs the best, (all other things being equal).  I don't see expanding the government to right past wrongs, as something positive.
It's not expanding government. We are talking about a finite group of aging people. Expanding government??

Quote I see it as an expansion of government power, and its potential for mischief, mischief in the name of (social) justice.  Now I do believe in an affirmative action in education on a _needs_ basis (not on a race basis).  This would still benefit many blacks, but it would also benefit poor whites who are more numerous than blacks in numbers, and maybe even in percentage.  However, Black politicians don't want that, they say they are concerned with overall questions of social justice, but one suspects that they are really interested in their power base and rewarding it.  Giving free money on a race base, is not necessarily what is best for getting rid of poverty.  Giving money to the Huxtables will not help the Hillbillies of the Appalachia.  It won't even help the Huxtables. 
No. This isn't a democrat idea. This is a conservative black idea and it isn't a farce like affirmative action. Have you seen statistics on affirmative action among airline pilots? lol Is that your thing? 
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So look at the list and do tell who received reckless money, a waste of tax payer dollars?
It's not about POVERTY!
It's about abuse!

http://https://www.vox.com/2014/5/23/5741352/six-times-victims-have-received-reparations-including-four-in-the-us

The six clearest antecedent programs are those set up by Germany to compensate victims of the Holocaust, by South Africa to compensate victims of apartheid, by the US to compensate victims of Japanese internment during World War II, by the state of North Carolina to compensate victims of its forced sterilization programs in the mid-20th century, by the federal government to compensate victims of the Tuskegee experiment, and by Florida to compensate victims of the Rosewood race riot of 1923.

“Reparations have been and always will be more than an apology and a paycheck,” said Joey Mogul, a lawyer who wrote a draft of the reparations ordinance and represented several survivors. “We have to consider all the harm people have endured.”


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I don't see why one wouldn't slide down the slippery slope to eventually pay off everyone who has a grievance.  Isn't that an easier approach for government to take?  After all, it's politicians giving out other people's money.  Why not have reparations for slavery, treatment of the Indians, black lives matters?

Colorado did not send Japanese to the camps, Governor Carr even had Japanese Americans in the cleaning staff of his household.  There was one Federal camp in Colorado.  Couldn't stop the Feds from doing that.  Carr committed political 'suicide' by supporting the Japanese Americans.

So maybe those who were in the Jim Crow South "should" pay for the sins.  Should Maine or Massachusetts?  After all, they sent forces to defeat the Confederacy.  But, of course it doesn't work that way.

I am not a citizen of Germany or South Africa, or North Carolina or Florida.  So I can't judge on the appropriateness of those "donations."  What did they want to do with the "donations," and did they do what they wanted them to do?
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I don't see why one wouldn't slide down the slippery slope to eventually pay off everyone who has a grievance.  Isn't that an easier approach for government to take?  After all, it's politicians giving out other people's money.  Why not have reparations for slavery, treatment of the Indians, black lives matters?
The government has paid out to groups that were targeted, as outlined briefly in previous text. Including Japanese Internment WW2 and Tuskegee syphilis experiments. 
The slope isn't very slippery if you define reparations as recompense for abuse of citizens, definitely 
of a type in the cases mentioned. 
Race might be a unifying element among victims of government abuse, but it's not always a factor. 

Quote Colorado did not send Japanese to the camps, Governor Carr even had Japanese Americans in the cleaning staff of his household.  There was one Federal camp in Colorado.  Couldn't stop the Feds from doing that.  Carr committed political 'suicide' by supporting the Japanese Americans.
So maybe those who were in the Jim Crow South "should" pay for the sins.  Should Maine or Massachusetts?  After all, they sent forces to defeat the Confederacy.  But, of course it doesn't work that way.
As a country, Federal taxes are used, as you say can't stop the Feds. 
Between 1877 and 1950 segregation was a pox on America and it came with it an "understanding" that blacks would not be able to compete in the same world/economy as whites. LBJ had the belief that it was better to keep blacks out of the white America game and that sets us back to pre-civil war thinking. 
That stupidity of segregation, it's relatively modern and there are citizens alive today who were virtually held back. This  has created the modern racial discontent, we should be well past this as a country. 
 

Quote I am not a citizen of Germany or South Africa, or North Carolina or Florida.  So I can't judge on the appropriateness of those "donations."  What did they want to do with the "donations," and did they do what they wanted them to do?
Sorry, what donations? Just not following you here please explain.
The democrats called themselves the "White Man's Party" could that be a reason for Leftist Media to avoid the subject??
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from the Latin, do, dare "to give"-->donation.

One group (politicians) is feeling generous with another group's (taxpayers) money.  Despite the fact that there is no true generosity involved.  I think we can justify helping people on the basis of poverty, but helping them because they're black or Japanese American, or gay, well that is just identity politics.  Someone might feel good because the Huxtables got a reparations check, but the fact is that they don't need it.  Most of poverty in the US is white and rural, so why are we always worried about getting money to the inner cities?    Why solve the real problems that we have, when we can get distracted?  But, it is poverty, that should be the real concern.
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The Appalachians are spread out over 13 states and the area is home to about 25 million people, plenty of them are poor and black.  They are sick of being used by the media and called Trump people lol.
They really ought to leave those mountains in Kentucky but who is forcing them to stay? Must they have an out house?

You can't keep using Appalachia. They have been there since before the Civil War, and they should leave since the coal industry is about to take the top off the mountain. There is a case for reparations with big coal but these people are like the Palestinians just disenfranchised and neighbors are -hands off.  

rep·a·ra·tion
/ˌrepəˈrāSH(ə)n/
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    the making of amends for a wrong one has done, by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged.
    "the courts required a convicted offender to make financial reparation to his victim"
    synonyms:amendsrestitutionredresscompensationrecompenserepaymentatonement;More
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I don't see the issue as a matter of "making amends for a wrong one has done," but as a matter of white guilt.  If the states that had the Jim Crow South want to pay off their black citizens, well it is "their" money, and they can decide that.  I think it will not stop at there, but that it invites for more grievances, real and imagined, to come through the door.  I think that government has no problem with it, it is just a matter of taking from one group, and "giving" to another, something they do all the time, with as little of thought involved as possible.  That someone's grievances are legitimate or their claim valid, (or that it will do any good) is really besides the point.  It will do the politicians good.  The more government takes away from one, and bestows on another, the more power they acquire, and that is really the point anyways as far as government is concerned.  If it is not this excuse to take away, it will be another, but one is fooling oneself if you think it will stop with that.

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The problem is the government does care which groups get the money.
How much are we spending for undocumented Central & South Americans? One group wants that, not everyone but you have to like it or lump it. All the states are paying for undocumented people.

Why would a democrat take away a useful club used against racist white America?
Or allow/acknowledge anything Trump does to improve race relations?

Those differences between types is identity politics. Differences that cannot be changed are being used shamelessly to pit men and women against each other, the latest attempt to alienate and control. That's ultimately what Jim Crow was about, alienation and control. 

You are right it doesn't matter who should get reparations it won't happen unless it becomes politically useful.
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immigrants, when they eventually become citizens, tend to vote democrat.  I think that is a big part of the democrats "generosity" towards illegal aliens.  "beto" (robert) O'Rourke, and another democrat whose name escapes me, actually campaigned in Mexico, which seems to me awfully misguided.

Trump may be doing something for business in black communities.  Of course, the "mainstream" (left) media doesn't report it much, so it sometimes hard to figure out what.
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The Immigrants are not voting democrat like they used to, please democrats keep telling hard working Hispanics who finally own a home, that US government is opening the border for undocumented leeches.

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Hispanic Americans will overtake African Americans as the second largestdemographic group in the 2020 presidential election. That is bad news for Democrats, who are convinced that they are entitled to these millions of minority voters. Democrats just cannot understand why so many Latinos, especially in important battleground states such as Florida, continue to line up firmly behind President Trump. The thought simply terrifies them.
Even more frightening for Democrats is the sheer ineffectiveness of their “minority outreach” strategy of extoling the virtues of illegal immigration and speaking in Spanish. As President Trump has pointed out, Hispanic Americans are certainly no more enamored with an unsecured border and illegal immigrants evading deportation orders than other Americans are. However, that is not how Democratic “minority outreach” works. It is all about bringing up the identity group in question then harping on some issues that focus group testing suggests are important. It is an awkward fit for Latinos who, contrary to the implications of Democratic messaging, are a highly diverse and mostly middle income sector of the population.
The old school strategy of race pandering is so toxic that even the leading Democratic candidate is wary of being associated with it. Joe Biden has been running from “minority outreach” in the Democratic mold as quickly as he can. He decided to skip out on a major liberal Hispanic conference that other Democratic candidates attended. Biden is trying desperately to present a “colorblind campaign” face, even going so far as to avoid using the words “Hispanic” and “Latino” in speeches. The strategy is backfiring.
Democrats are right to be afraid. Trump could not possibly have secured the Republican nomination and the White House without the support of millions of Hispanic Americans. In 2020, with Florida once again at the center of the Electoral College fight, their support will be an even greater factor. As Trump takes them seriously, Democrats will be shocked to find how receptive Hispanic Americans will be to the message of the return of greatness, especially compared to the pandering of their own candidates.
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I heard about the "make Tijuana great again." hats, put out by allies of the mayor in response to the caravan arriving in Tijuana.  Joe Rogan interviews someone about it.  I am not quite sure what that means as far as the political opinion of the Mexican people towards Trump, but I am sure it is a lot more complicated than mainstream media pretends.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I heard about the "make Tijuana great again." hats, put out by allies of the mayor in response to the caravan arriving in Tijuana.  Joe Rogan interviews someone about it.  I am not quite sure what that means as far as the political opinion of the Mexican people towards Trump, but I am sure it is a lot more complicated than mainstream media pretends.

Do you think the erosion and destruction of the forests in south and central america have something to do with the horrible violence and the superior strength of drug cartels over law enforcement?

Tijuana is going to look like San Francisco if they aren't careful. The city was having a great resurgence in it's economy before the 'caravans'.
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"something to do with"?  There may be a vague relationship, but if you are going to suggest something, you need to get more specific.

I don't think Tijuana will look like San Francisco, although the caravans probably don't help things.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

"something to do with"?  There may be a vague relationship, but if you are going to suggest something, you need to get more specific.

I don't think Tijuana will look like San Francisco, although the caravans probably don't help things.
Deforestation is increasing the effects of pollution, agro-chemical runoff and sewage don't get filtered by slopes that have no trees. The loss of trees kills helpful water plants that grow along rivers, like hyacinths. The wild varieties are natural filters so without them nothing is held back, it adds to the toxicity of the water and soil. Humans are storing toxins and it might effect brain chemistry. If no sunlight for 6 months causes depression than the loss of forests visually, is a neuro-horror show.

This eliminates foraging for small game, fish and fruits. I know this is devastating to the South American tribes. Low morale for villagers who maintained a relationship with a Nature that can't give any more.
Depressing at the very least. 

Studies show that natural disasters cause emotional distress for a long time after the event but the effects are not as debilitating as disasters caused by humans, like mass murder. The effects of natural disasters, naturally wear off bc according to a scholarly paper, seeing the repairs and having support to rebuild makes the difference even in cases where a loved one has died. 
There is no repair for deforestation that a human being can experience in a lifetime, so the grief never ends. The grief spreads out like disease or forces people to leave home, which puts pressure on other systems. More pressure spreads like disease and a general feeling of angst and panic occurs in sudden overpopulation. This contributes to the bad attitudes all around.
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Jordan Peterson said that there are more trees in the Northern Hemisphere now than there were 100(?) years ago, because of burning coal.  East Germany is no longer burning the sulfurous dirty coal that they were in the 1980s, that was killing the Bavarian Forest.  East Germany was supposedly a socialistic worker's paradise.  I think that there is progress and we shouldn't forget that, but some people want to have big government to save everything.  If you look at the ecologically dead spots in the former Soviet Union, then one should realize that far from saving everything, big government most likely will damn it, not save it.
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