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    Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 12:46
From http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-36771749
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An international tribunal has ruled against Chinese claims to rights in the South China Sea, backing a case brought by the Philippines.

The Permanent Court of Arbitration said there was no evidence that China had historically exercised exclusive control over the waters or resources.

China called the ruling "ill-founded" and says it will not be bound by it.

China claims almost all of the South China Sea, including reefs and islands also claimed by others.

The tribunal in The Hague said China had violated the Philippines' sovereign rights. It also said China had caused "severe harm to the coral reef environment" by building artificial islands.

The South China Sea could well become the next flash-point if China chooses to ignore the court ruling, and continues to enlarge and to build on the Spratleys and other small islands in the South China Sea. 

The Chinese claim extends almost to Indonesia and effects one of the worlds busiest waterways.


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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

From http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-36771749
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An international tribunal has ruled against Chinese claims to rights in the South China Sea, backing a case brought by the Philippines.

The Permanent Court of Arbitration said there was no evidence that China had historically exercised exclusive control over the waters or resources.

China called the ruling "ill-founded" and says it will not be bound by it.

China claims almost all of the South China Sea, including reefs and islands also claimed by others.

The tribunal in The Hague said China had violated the Philippines' sovereign rights. It also said China had caused "severe harm to the coral reef environment" by building artificial islands.

The South China Sea could well become the next flash-point if China chooses to ignore the court ruling, and continues to enlarge and to build on the Spratleys and other small islands in the South China Sea. 

The Chinese claim extends almost to Indonesia and effects one of the worlds busiest waterways.



China has taken a surprisingly (and disappointingly) belligerent attitude to the S China Sea issue.
This is gunboat diplomacy, 19th century style. It is a sad commentary that international relations are still being done in this way in the 21st century.

And it is hard to say what value they will achieve from the exercise. Yes, this is an important sea route, but control of such routes do not require fixed bases per se, and certainly not when the area is in close proximity to the participants mainland. There may be oil and gas on the sea bed, but that is a question mark at this time, and even if it was so, it hardly seems to necessitate such brinkmanship. Some have suggested that the area is crucial to protecting China's submarine base and also sea based nuclear deterrent on Hainan Island. Again, possible, but such defense would be better off mobile, than a target on a fixed island.

Maybe it is all about image. Western powers basically did the same thing in times gone by, grabbed whatever bit of geography that seemed strategic at the time. So now it may be payback, a PR exercise for a leadership that has little other to offer the masses than rapid economic expansion (at any cost), and chest thumping nationalism.
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resources maybe, chest thumping nationalism (maybe), payback, not really.  It is at the cost to the Philippines and Vietnam, (and maybe indirectly to others because of the trade route), not as much to the western powers.
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Well, IMHO might is right. Personly I consider China as worlplayer, rather like it or not, but China will be a force others have taken into consideration. I predict that Hongkong for ex. will be full integrated in Chinese socierty, regardless of the protests, and Taiwan will also not being able to resist the red floot. Wether more areas will be incorporated in this Chinese Superstate, no one knows. Millions of Chinese live outside China in south East Asia...Time will tell. And if China going to play the master in the South China sea, Im pretty much sure no one can stop them, not even mr. Trump.
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Originally posted by electricgirl electricgirl wrote:

Well, IMHO might is right. Personly I consider China as worlplayer, rather like it or not, but China will be a force others have taken into consideration. I predict that Hongkong for ex. will be full integrated in Chinese socierty, regardless of the protests, and Taiwan will also not being able to resist the red floot. Wether more areas will be incorporated in this Chinese Superstate, no one knows. Millions of Chinese live outside China in south East Asia...Time will tell. And if China going to play the master in the South China sea, Im pretty much sure no one can stop them, not even mr. Trump.

Hello, welcome!

If might is right then does the individual posses any value?

Are you saying that the Chinese Communist objective is total world domination?

I would bet on Trump and America.

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