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    Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 13:04
The following is a list of Russian Nuclear Powered and/or armed submarines which, for a variety of reasons, were lost at sea. The list comes from Wikipedia.

Quote K-8 was a November-class submarine of the Soviet Northern Fleet that sank in the Bay of Biscay with its nuclear weapons on board on April 12, 1970. A fire on April 8 had disabled the submarine and it was being towed in rough seas. Fifty-two crewmen were killed attempting the salvage of the boat when it sank.

K-141 Kursk (full Russian name Атомная Подводная Лодка «Курск» (АПЛ «Курск»), Atomnaya Podvodnaya Lodka "Kursk" (APL "Kursk"), meaning "Nuclear-powered submarine Kursk") was an Oscar-II class nuclear-powered cruise-missile submarine of the Russian Navy which was lost with all hands when it sank in the Barents Sea on 12 August 2000. It was a Project 949A Антей (Antey, Antaeus; NATO reporting name "Oscar II") submarine.

K-219 was a Project 667A Navaga-class ballistic missile submarine (NATO reporting name "Yankee I") of the Soviet Navy. She carried 16 (later 15) SS-N-6 liquid-fuel missiles powered by UDMH with IRFNA, equipped with an estimated 34 nuclear warheads.K-219 was involved in what has become one of the most controversial submarine incidents during the Cold War.

On Friday 3 October 1986, while on an otherwise routine Cold War nuclear deterrence patrol in the North Atlantic 680 miles (1,090 km) northeast of Bermuda, the 15-year-old K-219 suffered an explosion and fire in a missile tube. The seal in a missile hatch cover failed, allowing saltwater to leak into the missile tube and react with residue from the missile's liquid fuel. Though there was no official announcement, a published source (citing no sources) said the Soviet Union claimed that the leak was caused by a collision with the submarine USS Augusta. Augusta was certainly operating in proximity, but both the United States Navy[2] and the commander of K-219, Captain Second Rank Igor Britanov, deny that a collision took place.[3] K-219 had previously experienced a similar casualty; one of her missile tubes was already disabled and welded shut, having been permanently sealed after an explosion caused by reaction between seawater leaking into the silo and missile fuel residue.

 K-278 Komsomolets was the only Project 685 Plavnik (Плавник, meaning "fin", also known by its NATO reporting name of "Mike"-class) nuclear-powered attack submarine of the Soviet Navy. On 4 August 1984 K-278 reached a record submergence depth of 1,020 metres (3,350 feet) in the Norwegian Sea.[1] The boat sank in 1989 and is currently resting on the floor of the Barents Sea, one mile deep, with its nuclear reactor and two nuclear warheads still on board.

This list is of Nuclear submarines only. From the end of WWII, from memory, there at least 15 other submarines lost at sea.

In another thead, I asked if it could be possible for a Red October scenario to have taken place during the Cold War years. The consensus at the time was that it could not have.

There have been a number of incidents when, Russian submarines in particular, have suffered major mechanical problems at sea and have surfaced to await assistance. In several cases, it is believed that US Navy submarines, which just happened to be in the area have also surfaced to offer assistance, which was allegedly rejected.

One particular occurance remains somewhat of a mystery. That of K-141 Kursk.

Could the Kursk, or one of it's non-nuclear sister ships, have been rescued by USS Navy or allied vessels?

Bearing in mind the fact that Russia has remained very secretive about the loss of it's submarines, I suggest that one in fact could have either been rescued and/or the crew defected. Of course Russia would never admit it if it did happen.

What do you think folks?

Impossible?

Improbable?

Just possible?

Highly likely






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Where's the mention of the Soviet submarine that sank whilst en-route to Hawaii? There's been a lot of speculation about that, not least because the vessel set sail with a larger complement than normal on board. The issue was discussed in a recent tv documentary (yes, I know...) in which the evidence from deep sea surveys and documents suggests a team of Soviet special forces were on board and attempted to force the Captain to launch an attack at the distance normally associated with Chinese submarines. The sub was sunk because a missile was fired whilst still locked inside it's cradle, thus killing the crew with rocket exhaust and burning a hole in the hull. The truth will probably never be known.
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What about Howard Hughes Glomar Explorer, and the US attempted salvage of a Russian missile boat (sub) in the Pacific?  For a book on the US submarine force (including the attempted salvage of the Russian missile boat), I suggest "Blind Man's Bluff."  The effort with the Glomar Explorer shows that there is a "grain of truth" behind Tom Clancy's fictional "Red October."

The US also has lost a few submarines over the years.  And anytime the government "looses" a nuclear weapon, it is called a "Broken Arrow," (hence the John Wu film).

Caldrail, _when_ did the Soviet sub that you mention go missing?
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Originally posted by caldrail caldrail wrote:

Where's the mention of the Soviet submarine that sank whilst en-route to Hawaii? There's been a lot of speculation about that, not least because the vessel set sail with a larger complement than normal on board. The issue was discussed in a recent tv documentary (yes, I know...) in which the evidence from deep sea surveys and documents suggests a team of Soviet special forces were on board and attempted to force the Captain to launch an attack at the distance normally associated with Chinese submarines. The sub was sunk because a missile was fired whilst still locked inside it's cradle, thus killing the crew with rocket exhaust and burning a hole in the hull. The truth will probably never be known.

As I understand it, this was a diesel engine vessel. I've only listed the nuclear powered/armed subs in the OP. 

The mission of the vessel you refer to, K-129, is not known, AFAIK. It has been suggested that it sank, following a collision with the USS Scorpion, which was also lost at sea.

The fate of the many other post war submarines which have been lost at sea is a matter which we could/should include here.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

What about Howard Hughes Glomar Explorer, and the US attempted salvage of a Russian missile boat (sub) in the Pacific?  For a book on the US submarine force (including the attempted salvage of the Russian missile boat), I suggest "Blind Man's Bluff."  The effort with the Glomar Explorer shows that there is a "grain of truth" behind Tom Clancy's fictional "Red October."

The US also has lost a few submarines over the years.  And anytime the government "looses" a nuclear weapon, it is called a "Broken Arrow," (hence the John Wu film).

Caldrail, _when_ did the Soviet sub that you mention go missing?

K-129  sank on March 8, 1968, not far from Pearl Harbour.
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