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    Posted: 24 May 2018 at 17:58
If you are into international coin collecting and interested in alternate realities, you might try to find the Trump-Kim Summit Memorial coin on eBay or elsewhere.  They were made, but now that the summit is off, they may all be destroyed (except for some that stick to mint worker's fingers??).  So, I doubt there will be an official release.  The coins were in themselves controversial in that they showed Trump and Kim facing each other with their flags in the background, "on an equal footing."  BBC and NYTimes had articles about it.

stranger than fiction....


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Are the first coins more valuable if the summit occurs?
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I haven't been able to see the reverse, but they say it has the White House with Air Force One flying over.  I don't think that there is a date on the coin.  To me, it is interesting as an artifact of a road not travelled.  But, obviously it was meant to appeal to Trump supporters, wishing to celebrate a Trump victory (which for now is off) and so right now they are going on sale market down from $24.95 to 19.95.  Coin collectors are a rather conservative lot, who often like hoarding a little gold or silver.  Many of them would not like the enameled summit memorial coin, that is more something a non-"traditional" coin collector would prefer.  If the summit is on again, then maybe supporters interest would wax again.  Eventual demand who knows?   
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When you're about to enter into negotiations with someone, negotiations which could have world wide ramifications, is it really so smart to issue a coin which in effect ridicules that person?

(Is it really a good idea to hold military exercises on the border of a country you're trying to negotiate with so close to those talks?)


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Hi toymotor, Did Trump order the coin minted?

KJU is also getting pressure from So Ko & China and continuing US-SoKo naval exercise was part of the original agreement as I recall. US Sec of State Pompeo recently said that China has been asked not to participate in the RimPac naval exercise. It has to do with public sort of protest by US. It won't change anything China is doing in relation to the militarization of the So China Sea.
The participation of China was initiated during the Obama administration:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/23/us-disinvites-china-from-multinational-military-exercise.html

Gregory B. Poling, an Asia expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said disinviting China from RimPac is a "moderately big deal" because it reverses the Obama administration's emphasis on seeking closer military-to-military ties.
"At the same time, it doesn't really do anything to deter China in the South China Sea," Poling said. "So this is really more about venting our frustration and sending a signal than it is actually trying to change Chinese behavior."
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The coin does not ridicule Kim, if anything it presents him on par with Trump, they are on an equal level, and Kim is presented as the "Supreme Leader."  The coin came out of the White House, as far as what the procedure was, it is not clear to me, but I doubt it would have been made without Trump's thumb's up.  It sounds like it is being made (was made) at the West Point mint, as fitting for propaganda, please note that propaganda need not be characterized as "bad," it is merely media created for propagation of the faith, originally Catholic, but could be nationalistic.  But, if you are concerned about legitimating the North Korean regime, the coin unabashedly does that.  That perhaps might be a conclusion of negotiations, but probably not the best starting point.  It teaches Kim Jun Un the wrong message, that his nuclear arsenal will get him what he wants, already before any disarmament.

The artistry of the two figures is not that good.  The enamel looks okay, but enamel work is not what most traditional coin collectors want.  This medal is meant to be flashy, appealing to fans of Trump or Kim, or ???.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Vanuatu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 15:43
Sure, just some harmless propaganda like saying,

the White House issued the coin when it was actually,

Singapore.

That's why it looks crappy,

that's why you shouldn't watch CNN unless Alan Dershowitz is speaking.

Forget nationalistic mentality, you now walk in the realm of hive mentality.bzzz
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No, actually the coin I mentioned was issued by the US and is available on pre-order from the White House Giftshop (or so I read on line), there is another one issued by Singapore.  And I heard about it originally from NPR, not CNN, nor the CIA, nor the FBI or any other TLA.

The coin I am talking about, is enameled and kind of looks cool if you don't pay close attention to it (like Trump himself and his gold plated escalator).  It is flashy, but not that great as far as numismatic artistry is concerned.  But, of course I am a numismatic snob, and I am sure that some Mark will cherish it as a prize possession.  btw, there are some enameled coins that I do like, like the Canadian raven with the sun.  It is very much like totem pole and NW Indian art.

I don't watch CNN, except insofar as I am with my dear old mother, and she is addicted to it.

As far an hive mentality is concerned, Vanuatu, you may be thinking about your herd morality, and its lowest common denominator that Trump represents.  Of course, CNN thinks that it shows how bad Trump is, but Trump just responds to them, "oh, yeah, you think _that_ is bad, I will _show_ you what really is bad."  He has been doing that to the New York elite all his life.  He is a master at racing to the bottom, and yes, CNN and journalists are promoting it, encouraging it, daring it.  The question I would ask you is, he has done this before, and it has ended badly (for others), why do you think the same behavior will not get the same results, as moral bankruptcy and national equivalent of 4? 6? personal bankruptcies????  I am not really worried about Trump, I am worried about the rest of us, whose wagons are hitched to his train.

People think lemmings are suicidal, but they are not.  They swarm and when they get to a river, they swim across it, and when they get to the ocean, they just think it is a bigger river.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

No, actually the coin I mentioned was issued by the US and is available on pre-order from the White House Giftshop (or so I read on line), there is another one issued by Singapore.  And I heard about it originally from NPR, not CNN, nor the CIA, nor the FBI or any other TLA.
I don't believe the White House issued the coins that you are referring to, sorry.

Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

The coin I am talking about, is enameled and kind of looks cool if you don't pay close attention to it (like Trump himself and his gold plated escalator).  It is flashy, but not that great as far as numismatic artistry is concerned.  But, of course I am a numismatic snob, and I am sure that some Mark will cherish it as a prize possession.  btw, there are some enameled coins that I do like, like the Canadian raven with the sun.  It is very much like totem pole and NW Indian art.

I don't watch CNN, except insofar as I am with my dear old mother, and she is addicted to it.

As far an hive mentality is concerned, Vanuatu, you may be thinking about your herd morality, and its lowest common denominator that Trump represents.  Of course, CNN thinks that it shows how bad Trump is, but Trump just responds to them, "oh, yeah, you think _that_ is bad, I will _show_ you what really is bad."  He has been doing that to the New York elite all his life.  He is a master at racing to the bottom, and yes, CNN and journalists are promoting it, encouraging it, daring it.  The question I would ask you is, he has done this before, and it has ended badly (for others), why do you think the same behavior will not get the same results, as moral bankruptcy and national equivalent of 4? 6? personal bankruptcies????  I am not really worried about Trump, I am worried about the rest of us, whose wagons are hitched to his train.
Nope, I'm capable of objectivity. I never thought Trump was great, he was a better than choice than the succubus.

Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

People think lemmings are suicidal, but they are not.  They swarm and when they get to a river, they swim across it, and when they get to the ocean, they just think it is a bigger river.
Curious that you have insight into the lemming savoir- faire, I am happy for their optimism.  
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Personally, I prefer PikasWink chirping above tree level, among the rocks.

(Being female), you probably wouldn't be interested in the Melania Trump medal from China.
It is kind of cheesecake, her laying there, kind of looking down her cleavage.  Not the
"traditional" image of a first lady.  I kind of feel sorry for her, being with Trump and his antics,
not too sorry for her though.  I am sure she knew what she was getting into, when she got
into bed with him, both the good and the bad.
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