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    Posted: 20 Jun 2009 at 15:48
I am simply curious on the traditions of the Swiss alps before Christianization. For example what were some of the gods, myths, and any pagan ways that still exist today. Being at the crossroads of Europe I'm sure they have had many Celtic, German, and Roman influences, so what were some religious ideals that arose from this.

Any information would be great thanks.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote drgonzaga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jun 2009 at 14:36
No matter how different the Swiss might claim their identity from that of their European neighbors, I am afraid that they are but a part of the Celtic universe known as Latène (450-50 BC). The Celts began entering the Alps and its valleys after 1000 BC, and in the western reaches replaced the prehistoric populations once known in archaeology as the "Lake Dwellers". These inhabitants symbolize one of the earliest myths shaped by the young "science" of archaeology back in the 1850s in its effort to identify early "cultures". Hence extreme caution and familiarity with the full breadth of research is needed because similarity in ecological adaptation does not confirm cultural homogeneity.
 
Likewise, an attempt to underscore unique Swiss characteristics apart from the greater cultural affinities is a bit self-defeating since the notion of "Switzerland" is an artificial construct rooted in geo-politics and not cultural conceptualizations. I am afraid that perhaps your curiosity might cross paths with the Internet madness known as the "Great Goddess" hokum and the nonsense of attaching hoary roots to certain characteristics of religiosity. Read this interesting piece from The Atlantic:
 
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eaglecap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jun 2009 at 00:26
I would look into the religion of both the Celtic Tribes and Germanic tribes in the pre Christian period. Also read Conquest of Gaul by Julius Caesar and the Gallic Wars.
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Hi!
I    am   new   here -  but my   big  interess   atre   the Eu  (iron   age)  Celts. About  the prehistoric Eu  Religion is   very   difficult   to   make   today   any archaeological meaning - but here   we   know many esotheric groops,  they   "belive"   they   are authentical. It   is   difficault  theme. We   know (archaeological   evidentet!) some   artifacts,   temples, other   items about prehistotric   religion,  but  the   problem  is   how   to interprete   and   how   to  understand this items?
 
Here   is  one   video about  Theme:
and:
and   Article:
 
But i   say   again: today we  can  not "to  understand" if  this bods&artifacts  give   us   the   "real" point why they  died by  this   way....  
 
About Theme  Mythologic   and Folkpractice   today - give more   evidence  the  Ethnology  (i   mean). Here is   very   difficult   to   say -  if the   historic.  origins are  correct,  how   old    are  the   rogins  about evidence  and   artifacts,    etc .... I   am   saying   again: i  know  in  the   past   personal   the   man,   who   believes he makes the   spiritual  praktice   by   the   "Celtic"   way -  but his "Programme"   based on   Folk-Traditions all  of the   Past   Times    and   Coultures! Do    you  understand,  what  i   mean? We    have   not enough evidence   to  understand  the   principe  of Continental Eu pre-roman Mythologic-Traditions  by  the   real   way and   to   make   clearly   difference by   the    some    coultures  in  the    past    and   if   the   tradition today  based  on   the Celtic,   Germanic,   Venetic, .....   Grounds. Here   is    also   very important  the questions -  how strong   was the   Celtic,     Germanic    etc ....  influence on  the all  of   people   here,    if   all    people   were coultural   assimilated   by   one   dominated Mythological-System? What   about  the    religion   before   the   Celts    and  the   Germans? 
 
Autor  from   the   Ethnological   Site  of  the   Theme (not   archaeological   dokumented!),   here:
He's   Name  is Hans   Haid,    from   the   Swiss  (in     his    Books   he   colledted many     Alps-Stories-Myts   and  dokumented some Mythological  Places)
http://www.cultura.at/haid/   etc ....   
and one   about   The  Celts,   here:
http://www.diekelten.at/diekelten.htm   -  the   Autor understand the   Celts   also   very mythological   and   spekulativ -  not    archaeological   evidented  and  in  the   real   living  history   we   don't  like   him!  (is   Esoteric!)
 
Hope   you  understand   German - hope    you   will    found   about  all  of  them    on   english,  too.
 
 
Hope   you   understand  my   bad   english.
 
Best   regards,   Joze
Best regards!
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Originally posted by Joze Joze wrote:

Hi!
I    am   new   here -  but my   big  interess   are   the Eu  (iron   age)  Celts. About  the prehistoric Eu  Religion is   very   difficult   to   make   today   any archaeological meaning - but here   we   know many esotheric groups  (by    different   ideological    ways!),  they   "belive"   they   are authentical. It   is   difficault  theme. We   know (archaeological   evidentet!) some   artifacts,   temples, other   items about prehistotric   religion,  but  the   problem  is   how   to interprete   and   how   to  understand this items?
 
Here   is  one   video about  Theme:
and:
and   Article:
 
But i   say   again: today we  can  not "to  understand" if  this bodies&artifacts  give   us   the   "real" point why they  died by  this   way....  
 
About Theme  Mythologic   and Folkpractice   today - give more   evidence  the  Ethnology  (i   mean). Here is   very   difficult   to   say -  if the   historic.  origins are  correct,  how   old    are  the   origins  about evidence  and   artifacts,    etc .... I   am   saying   again: i  know personally  in  the   past    the   man,   who   believes he makes the   spiritual  praktice   by   the   "Celtic"   way -  but his "Programme"   based on   Folk-Traditions all  of the   Past   Times    and   Coultures   and   his topic   is -  to   make   money   by  this    way and  to manipulate   the    naive   peoples! Do    you  understand,  what  i   mean? We    have   not enough evidence   to  understand  the   principe  of Continental Eu pre-roman Mythologic-Traditions  by  the   real   way and   to   make   clearly   difference by   the    some    coultures  in  the    past    and   if   the   tradition today  based  on   the Celtic,   Germanic,   Venetic, .....   Grounds. Here   is    also   very important  the question -  how strong   was the   Celtic,     Germanic    etc ....  influence on  the all  of   people   here,    if   all    people   were coultural   assimilated   by   one   dominated Mythological-System? What   about  the    religion   before   the   Celts    and  the   Germans? 
 
Autor  from   the   Ethnological   Site  of  the   Theme (not   archaeological   dokumented!),   here:
He's   Name  is Hans   Haid,    from   the   Swiss  (in     his    Books   he   colledted many     Alps-Stories-Myts   and  dokumented some Mythological  Places)
http://www.cultura.at/haid/   etc ....   
and one   about   The  Celts,   here:
http://www.diekelten.at/diekelten.htm   -  the   Autor understand the   Celts   also   very mythological   and   spekulativ -  not    archaeological   evidented  and  in  the   real   living  history   we   don't  like   him!  (is   Esoteric!)
 
Hope   you  understand   German - hope    you   will    found   about  all  of  them    on   english,  too.
 
 
Hope   you   understand  my   bad   english.
 
Best   regards,   Joze
 
 
I   am member   of living  history (rennacting)   group   from    Austria called     Boii   Pannonia  and on   our     museums-festivals we try   to  show   the   real "past-time" the    Celtic-time    and   coulture. but   even   we   don't  know    all   of    "Celtic-living-history-patterns" it   is   not   possibile    to   know   all   of  things   from  the     past   time. I     am   member   of  two   german's     renaacting's  web   forums,   too   and     we   had   strong   debate   about   simmilar  themes,   too. The ecoteric autors  belives  they know   "the   real past  time"   and makes   us (and   the   archaeol.  science,   too)  big  problems  becouse  they show   in   their   books,   presentations   and   HPs just the fantasy world without   any archaeological evidence. The   people   without  archaeological  knowledge believes  them. In   the    Germany  and    Austria,   also  in   the    Swiss the reconstructionists   are very    critical to  them!
 
Regards,   Joze 
Best regards!
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