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Let's start this one again. Talk about your current historic project. Hey, just talk about something cool that you are working on. :)
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I've been working on editing a paper on Cannibalism in Beowulf, Andreas, the St. Christopher cycle, and Wonders of the East.
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I'm working on a dictionary site for dead languages or writing systems such as Linear B, Cuneforms, Phrygian, Anatolian Languages etc.

The idea is to provide dictionaries but also give the ability to type what you see and get it translated from symbols to plan text. This is done with point and click Virtual Keyboards that contain all the symbols of a writing system.

The release version will have 2 main dictionaries: Mycenaean Greek (Linear B) and Old Persian.



PS: I'm including a new screenshot of the virtual keyboards that help you type the symbols transliterated into latinized searchable strings.




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That's brilliant, Flipper! Tell us more about it - is it going online?
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Im currently researching Viet Cong, NVA, ARVN, ANZAC and US Forces in the Vietnam War with an emphasis on small unit combat and operational effectiveness.
 
Along with that Im also working on a project looking at the combat performance of troops during the early years of WW2 and a smaller project looking at Soviet tank deployment during the fighting for Berlin.
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To Flipper,
Prygian language belongs to the Satem groups of language family of Indo-European.
Phrygian language is not understood yet [beyond the basic words(Magna Mater etc.)], but be read it.
I hope your work will take a significant way.


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Originally posted by Knights Knights wrote:

That's brilliant, Flipper! Tell us more about it - is it going online?


The idea started by the fact that there's no tool online where you can read and study Linear B inscriptions. It took me a lot of time to read 2 lines of Mycenaean Greek, since 1) I didn't remember the symbol meanings, 2) I had to figure out what word the syllabic meanings represented, 3) I had to decide the scope of the phrase (is it referring to present or past tense?).

So i thought that except from a dictionary where you write "woman" and get as result "kuneka", i needed something where i could point and click the symbols of a clay tablet inscription i have in front of me and get a translation for them.

While i started coding a library that transforms latinized terms to Linear B syllables, i thought "why not make a wider dictionary of dead languages?". So i decided to include some more languages for starters, especially those that present the same problematics like Linear B, e.g Old Persian cuneforms.

Right now, i'm receiving help from Chilbudios (Thracian, Dacian) and khshayathiya (Old Persian). I have to finalize the search result browsing, finish the administration with some help features (PIE linking, cognates etc) and create the grammar rules for old persian.

When that is done, i will fill the database with all Mycenaean Greek dictionary (it's not that huge) and then do the same with Old Persian. That will be enough for starters to get it launched. Smile

If anyone here believes there is some language that is hard to study normally, i would be glad to include it providing that i get a good documentation on the grammar, so i can create a library that can handle syllabic translations and suggest in case of mispelling. The thesaurus part is what needs the grammar.

I guess that this summer the site will be ready to rumble Big smile


PS: I will try to approach the Athens inscription museum and see if there's any unpublished or hard to get material (like for example the Linear A tablet in the Arcadian dialect) that i could use.




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Originally posted by extreme extreme wrote:

To Flipper,
Prygian language belongs to the Satem groups of language family of Indo-European.
Phrygian language is not understood yet [beyond the basic words(Magna Mater etc.)], but be read it.
I hope your work will take a significant way.


Dear extreme welcome to the forum!
I can read Phrygian to understand a bit of the contents to a fair amount of inscriptions. An amount of words are known because they are shared with Greek or they come from a shared root that has evolved differently. Others, have no clear explanation but the contents can be estimated from the PIE.

The problem is grammatical mainly...We cannot be 100% accurate to what we read. For example  the exact meaning of an epithet (we know for example it is an  honouring title, but how badass is it to be called like that? Smile). The exact tense of a verb etc...

So, in a case of dictionary you can include certain words, that are identical to Greek or languages as Hittite which had an effect on Phrygian as well. Beyond from that the idea is to provide suggestions. Instead of not displaying etymological theories, because there's lets say a debate, i prefer to display the information and mark a word with symbols indicating caution. In this site those symbols will indicate:

- Uncertain etymology
- Suggested etymology
- Disputed etymology
- Unknown etymology

However, including some words into the tools database, it can show you which words with certain meanings have similar form.

For example, if you are looking at the word aner in Greek, it will show you immediately that anar in Phrygian has the same meaning and that the words show similarity phonetically.

So, basically, even if a word is not exactly know in Phrygian, it will be displayed with etymological suggestions and/or with caution symbols.

Furthermore, to read Phrygian inscriptions can be a pain in the ass if you just have the phonetic values of the Greek alphabet in front of you. With an on-site  phrygian "keyboard" you will be able to type all the letters as you see them in books or pictures.

Btw, in August i'm on my way to Gordion and the rest of the sites to take as many pictures of inscription as possible. Smile In other words, i intend in my next step to make the site a serious resource for Phrygian. Maybe not a complete dictionary but at least a good etymological database on that language.




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Dear Flipper,
Thanks you for information about Phrygian language,
A month ago I went to Gordion.. well are you going to go Gordion in August for do excavation or review?
Phrygian Civilization is known as mystery civilization I hope as soon as possible Phrygian Civilization will be enlightened. (with your work,too)



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Originally posted by extreme extreme wrote:

Dear Flipper,
Thanks you for information about Phrygian language,
A month ago I went to Gordion.. well are you going to go Gordion in August for do excavation or review?
Phrygian Civilization is known as mystery civilization I hope as soon as possible Phrygian Civilization will be enlightened. (with your work,too)



Actually, i'm going to Turkey to see some things in general and have some vacations. My girlfriend is Turkish, so i will have a good guide with me. Our goal is to reach the Phrygian sites and gather as much material as possible.

As you said Phrygians were a mysterious civilization Smile It is really pitty, that even known they could write, they just wrote the same things on and on and therefore we don't have a greater picture of their language and ofcourse their thoughts. The reason why i tend to love that civilization is because when i decided that i will learn foreign dead languages, Phrygian was the easiest to start with. For the last year now, i've been reading inscriptions like a nerd which ended up with a rather passionate love for them.

Just the theory of Pharaoh Psameticus, that their language was the first language of the world (i don't believe that ofcourse Smile) makes it fascinating.

Anyway, I will keep you all updated about this project. Besides, where will i find better beta testers Big smile



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Flipper, that is sooooooo cool. What technology are you using to create the site?
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Originally posted by Flipper Flipper wrote:

Originally posted by Knights Knights wrote:

That's brilliant, Flipper! Tell us more about it - is it going online?


The idea started by the fact that there's no tool online where you can read and study Linear B inscriptions. It took me a lot of time to read 2 lines of Mycenaean Greek, since 1) I didn't remember the symbol meanings, 2) I had to figure out what word the syllabic meanings represented, 3) I had to decide the scope of the phrase (is it referring to present or past tense?).

So i thought that except from a dictionary where you write "woman" and get as result "kuneka", i needed something where i could point and click the symbols of a clay tablet inscription i have in front of me and get a translation for them.

While i started coding a library that transforms latinized terms to Linear B syllables, i thought "why not make a wider dictionary of dead languages?". So i decided to include some more languages for starters, especially those that present the same problematics like Linear B, e.g Old Persian cuneforms.

Right now, i'm receiving help from Chilbudios (Thracian, Dacian) and khshayathiya (Old Persian). I have to finalize the search result browsing, finish the administration with some help features (PIE linking, cognates etc) and create the grammar rules for old persian.

When that is done, i will fill the database with all Mycenaean Greek dictionary (it's not that huge) and then do the same with Old Persian. That will be enough for starters to get it launched. Smile

If anyone here believes there is some language that is hard to study normally, i would be glad to include it providing that i get a good documentation on the grammar, so i can create a library that can handle syllabic translations and suggest in case of mispelling. The thesaurus part is what needs the grammar.

I guess that this summer the site will be ready to rumble Big smile


PS: I will try to approach the Athens inscription museum and see if there's any unpublished or hard to get material (like for example the Linear A tablet in the Arcadian dialect) that i could use.


This sounds marvelous Flipper - please keep us updated on the progress of your project, and all the best with getting the site up-and-running Smile
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Flipper...you utter legend! My brother is on here, and he would be really interested to get in touch with you about this I think - I will tell him about your astounding project! You already demonstrated to us your linguistic brilliance with your vast, what I can only call "epic battle" concerning the rosetta stone, but this is in an utterly different league! Kudos, sir! I salute you!
 
As per linguistics, I've set myself a personal project - to do two hours of ancient Greek from some primers that I got every day until I go to university (October - I've got a long summer holiday, which I have started now!). I'm actually not really sure how to proceed, so if anyone could give me some pointers, then this would be much appreciated! I'm desperate to get a good helping of Greek under my belt before unversity, as I haven't really studied a language before and I want to get a head start.
 
My recent article on the Athenian Empire that I wrote as an optional paper for my classics department (it took the best part of a year) http://www.allempires.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=27207, got me absolutely fascinated by that admittedly cliche period of ancient history, the first period of Athenian imperialism, c.466-404 (at least by my estimation), and this gradually led to a fascination in the ancient economy and if it is merely a retrospective conception imposed upon the period by historians, or a real, recognised principle amongst contempories. I've read several books on the subject and have looked and studied in my own time some translations of the Athenian tribute lists as well as P.J. Rhodes' famous interpretations of them. Utterly fascinating, thrilling stuff! I also intend to tackle some Hellenistic history this summer as well - but, by all that's holy, it is complex stuff!
 
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Guys, thank you all for the good words. Smile This makes me really motivated, since i understand this might not just become a nerdy project of mine, but a useful tool for various people.

I'm doing the best i can to deliver this soon. My only problem is that i'm already programming for a living so coming home and continue programming is a hard task to do. Ouch My brain is usually fried when i get home.

Originally posted by hugoestr hugoestr wrote:

Flipper, that is sooooooo cool. What technology are you using to create the site?


I'm using ASP.NET combined with the jquery javascript framework and json for the data mapping of the results. It makes it extremely fast once loaded for the first time. The page loads just once while it gives you the feeling you're working on a flash environment without page updates.

Originally posted by Aster Thrax Eupator Aster Thrax Eupator wrote:

Flipper...you utter legend! My brother is on here, and he would be really interested to get in touch with you about this I think - I will tell him about your astounding project! You already demonstrated to us your linguistic brilliance with your vast, what I can only call "epic battle" concerning the rosetta stone, but this is in an utterly different league! Kudos, sir! I salute you!


Thank you Aster Smile
Whoever wants to contribute in any way is free to contact me, whether it is for dictionary purposes or linguistic articles/presentation that will be hosted in that site as well. I don't know what your brother would have in mind, but he's surely welcome. Big smile

Note however, i'm not a linguist in the academic sense of the word. Smile I just happen to have education in anc. Greek and ofcourse a passion for dead languages or the region of the eastern mediteranean and the middle east. I just have a vast dictionary, that automatically adds awareness of certain phenomenas within Greek and their relation to the neighbouring languages of Anatolia and the Balkans.




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In terms of my current project I am researching the origins of warfare, which I hope to write a paper on which I hope to have published here on AE sometimes this summer.
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I am in the beginning research stages of putting together a .pdf or e-book on the history, organization, tactics and strategy of the British army in the Americas during the American Revolution. It's purpose is to provide an easy to access and overall free resource for the military historian, military buff and even military hobbyist. I plan on having this one done within a month or two and then moving on to other armies and time periods. 
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I have been currently researching Tudor royal gowns and higher nobility gowns. What material they used, what undergarments were worn. And how french hoods and English gables were made. :)

My first attempt of recreating the dress went well. I think I need to work on some particulars and details. But that is for the next try. I used a grass green linen for the dress, which the color is time period, but for lower classes. It is fine for my first dress and green is one of my favorite colors. I am looking at doing a light blue dress. Dark blue was more time period, but I like the color of this blue and I have it on hand already.

My second thing I am researching is Medieval Chinese women clothing. I tend to go more with royal or higher nobility, but I also am looking for every day outfits as well. I like the appeal of the clothing. I have been getting stumped because a lot of the dresses I have been finding that are out there are recreations of later periods, stating that they are Medieval. I have been looking at paintings and haven't found a good picture to show what they wore. So alas.. I am still in step one.
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I'm bringing this back to life again...

I'm back from vacations and i was able to finish some user administration for the dictionaries of the Palaeolexicon project i mentioned above.

I have included PIE roots in words so people can get "See also"/relative results to what they are looking for.

The Mycenaean dictionary has around 35-40% of the available corpus and meanwhile i'm filling in the Phrygian corpus. Old Persian will follow soon.

I just returned from my trip to Turkey and that means i have some live samples of the words included on some corpus (Phrygian & Hittite) Beer
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Flipper I just saw this thread, that looks awesome.Smile  I hope you had fun on your trip to turkey.  (I am most jealousGeek)

Not so much an historical project, but I'm committing to writing a historical novel. 
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I am writing a small auto-biography about my childhood in the Chinese 20th century. But I am not sure what to put in the auto biography. I want to put everything in, but it is hard to explain when you have very little pictures to include. Any ideas?     Embarrassed
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Originally posted by cecini cecini wrote:

I have been currently researching Tudor royal gowns and higher nobility gowns. What material they used, what undergarments were worn. And how french hoods and English gables were made. :)

My first attempt of recreating the dress went well. I think I need to work on some particulars and details. But that is for the next try. I used a grass green linen for the dress, which the color is time period, but for lower classes. It is fine for my first dress and green is one of my favorite colors. I am looking at doing a light blue dress. Dark blue was more time period, but I like the color of this blue and I have it on hand already.

My second thing I am researching is Medieval Chinese women clothing. I tend to go more with royal or higher nobility, but I also am looking for every day outfits as well. I like the appeal of the clothing. I have been getting stumped because a lot of the dresses I have been finding that are out there are recreations of later periods, stating that they are Medieval. I have been looking at paintings and haven't found a good picture to show what they wore. So alas.. I am still in step one.
I may be able to help you. Many of my old childhood clothes were similar to that time period
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Right now I am working on a map of East and South Asia and Indonesia, a historical map that shows events in pictures kind of got the inspiration from this.

A little childish but I am falling in love with it. The timeperiod covered by the map is give a few years extra before and after the entire tang period, starting with accession of the last sui emperor and ending in 936 with the Korean Unification 
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My current project is a Vietnam War novel set in the Seven Mountains region of the Mekong Delta in very early 1966. The early chapters start with a flashback of an American War veteran who has returned to bring the ashes of his war-bride home to the local wat. Father of three adult children, he is disappointed that his step-daughter has not accompanied him.
In flashbacks, we see a young Cambodian from the Mekong Delta drafted into the French Army in 1946, only to return home after the Mobile Group 100 disaster in 1954 to join the Front for the Liberation of Khmer Kampuchea Krom. Next we see a young Special Forces sergeant deploy with his team to Vietnam in very early 1966. They arrive expecting the serve in the Central Highlands, but are instead dispatched to the Seven Mountains region to form a battalion of ethnic Cambodians. Our young narrator and his best friend quickly enter into a competition to win the affections of a pretty Cambodian girl they've noticed who happens to be the veteran's daughter. The veteran himself enlists in the Civilian Irregulars, but remains a clandestine operative of the KhKK. A young Cambodian Army Captain also shows up to enlist in the unit. Together with the two young Americans, they form, train, and lead a highly successful combat reconnaissance platoon whose victories earn the ire of the local Viet Cong battalion. The Special Forces camp has been badly located for political reasons, and after several failed attempts to kill key US personnel with mines and snipers, the VC develop an attack plan for the camp itself. 
The attack on the camp is the climax of the novel, providing evidence that not all heroes get decorated, and not all those decorated are heroes. More to the point of the story, the Cambodian veteran is badly wounded, and draws from his daughter a promise that she will marry the young Captain, dashing any hope the American had. He will not see her again until he runs into her and the Captain's only surviving child at the Guam refugee processing center eleven years later.
 
Back in the present, the step-daughter has called her father only to find herself speaking to a young Swedish girl who has tagged along on his pilgrimage to the seven mountains. Soriya, the step-daughter, flies off to Vietnam for a showdown with her father, and is finally brought into contact with her Khmer-Krom heritage and its impact upon her life.
 
I have ten chapters finished, but need to tweek them a bit and add a few more. This will not be a 550 pager like my present novel: The Dega: A MIKE Force story (on Amazon and B&N) and it will be a bit 'lighter' on historical content, which is only natural since none of the SF team's members can speak Khmer. Their knowledge of the Khmer Krom has to be limited to what they learn on the job.
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Originally posted by Flipper Flipper wrote:

I'm bringing this back to life again...

I'm back from vacations and i was able to finish some user administration for the dictionaries of the Palaeolexicon project i mentioned above.

I have included PIE roots in words so people can get "See also"/relative results to what they are looking for.

The Mycenaean dictionary has around 35-40% of the available corpus and meanwhile i'm filling in the Phrygian corpus. Old Persian will follow soon.

I just returned from my trip to Turkey and that means i have some live samples of the words included on some corpus (Phrygian & Hittite) Beer

Good job Flipper. Do let us know when Minoan linear code A graces the pages of your endeavor. Wink
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My new little project is reconstructing the battle of Red Cliffs on what supposedly the state of Wu called a living map, meaning that where a river is shown using water, and land is shown using mud, moss, and a few other things that make it realistic, while camps were shown as tents, cities as model buildings, and boats as model boats. Very hard to make on a countertop!!!

Edited by Lao Tse - 03 Sep 2012 at 05:30
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