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    Posted: 22 Apr 2010 at 00:17
Many researchers and archeologist are now proposing that the Temehu or at other times called  the Tehenu were more closely related to the Nubians than previously expected. Many excavations into southern Libya have proven that the Nubians of Lower Nubia have relations with the Temehu, researchers and archeologist believe them to be the C-Group which often times were found around the Wawat region ,via the Aswan, and litigated the areas immediately west of the Nile. The Temahu (Temehu or Tehenu)themselves were often synonymous with the Ta- Nehesy(Nubians), while the Tehenu of the North have a different designation. Ta-Nehesy itself extended from Elephantine around the first nome ,through Abu Simbel all the way to the first cataract. Many gods such as NEITH (Greek Goddes Athena) which was often associated with being a strictly Libyan God was even worshiped by the Ta-Nehesy in Nubia  at times.


Libyans were called  by ancient Egyptians, Tehenu or the Temehu or Tamahu which often meant ''the Westerners''.

Below are some pointers to the relations and affinities of Libyans with Nubians.

1.In the Book of the Dead The Tehenu were called the Blue People that most of the time had blue radiant symbols surrounding them in Egyptian depictions. Even now today the Tuareg are called the "Blue People'' .

2. The Tuareg today call themselves the Tamacheq or Tamasheq just as the ancient Egyptians coined the term Tamahu or Temehu.

3. The  Temehu of Southern Libya are identified as the Nubian C-group by a lot of archeologist and anthropologist.

The last excavations made by the Khedival Government , the final report of which have not yet been entirely published , have brought to light between the First and Second Cataracts the cemeteries of a distinctly non-Egyptian people which bates identifies as the Temehu or Libyans These cemeteries  date from about the end of the Sixth Dynasty to the Eighteenth Dynasty, and show burial in a concentrated position, tombs with a circular superstructure ,i.e. a circular wall of stones tattooing or body painting, and other signs of material culture like that of the Libyans, with some intrusions of Negro character of technique ,e.g, punctured ornamentation of pottery. But most important are the skeletons which the discoverer of these cemeteries , Reisner, calls C-Group,or Middle-Nubians , the majority of which , he affirms , exhibit traces of negroes , those of the most recent epoch bearing the most striking instances .

The Middle-Nubians certainly existed for many  centuries during  the Middle Empire, and Reisner compares them to the Ababdeh in Upper Egypt and to the  Bedawins (Bedouins) in Lower Egypt at the present time , considering them of Negro Origin .

The Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland. 1915


4. The White Crown which some believe originated in temehu or Libya may have originated in Nubia


"In the Wadi Qash, a branch of the Wadi Hammamat, Wilkinson (Genesis, p. 80) cites two rock drawings of men wearing red crowns, which he dates to Naqada I (c. 3600 BC). These drawings place the red crown earliest in Upper Egypt, just where we would expect to find the white crown — only the white crown is nowhere to be seen at this time.

5.The Egyptian Timhy stone ( meaning Temehu ) was found in Wawat , a Ta Nehesy-tribal region  which is in Lower Nubia Lower Nubia or Northern Sudan.

The ancient Egyptian Timhy (Tymhy) Stone of Wawat, found in one of the Egyptian lists of royal gifts, may indicate that the stones were of a particular type purveyed to the Egyptian by the Temehu. G. W. Murray (The Road to Chephren's Quarries) relates that the Temehu Libyans were employed in the labour gangs at the quarries;



6. The carvings of the Palermo stone
  itself which is associated with Libyan affinities also show   designs that are distinctly similar to that of the Nubian 25th dynasty

On the other hand, the way the stone has been carved -lightly incised signs on a black stone- is reminiscent of an artistic style that came into vogue during the 25th Dynasty....


7.Oric Bates states that the Nubian C-Group extended farther into Libya than expected


The Temehu's territories, however, began immediately south of the Tehenu's and extended all the way down to Middle Nubia - an area where Oric Bates, during his short life, conducted an extensive study of its cemeteries and came to conclude that the Nubians and the Libyans were more related than previously thought, and thus the Temehu Berbers were also known to archaeologists as " the C-Group of Nubia " . Even today, the Arabs of modern Egypt call the Nubians " Barabera "

8. Predynsatic early material culture of the Southern portion of the NorthWest Wadi fragments shows Nubian and Libyan culture intertwined.



The Predynastic-Early Dynastic Site Near the Mouth of the Northwest Wadi
In the southern portion of the Northwest Wadi are the extensive surface remains of a Late Predynastic-Early Dynastic period habitation site, the densest portion thereof adjoining a large phytogenic mound...
Abundant ceramic remains in the area include both Nile Valley Egyptian fabrics and desert-made, Libo-Nubian types.




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Some more interesting notes that would reaffirm that the Tehemu (Southern Libyans) were more related to Nubians that a lot of scholars choose to overlook.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/2791547


106. Observations on Mr. Francis Rodds Rock Drawings from Air, Compared with Dr. Winklers Rock Drawings from the Eastern Desert of Upper Egypt.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/2843983




Some Rock Drawings from Air in the Southern Sahara.













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Outdated musings from an ideologically suspect era.
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I don't believe that ancient Egyptians had modern American racial hangups.

Quote 1.In the Book of the Dead The Tehenu were called the Blue People that most of the time had blue radiant symbols surrounding them in Egyptian depictions. Even now today the Tuareg are called the "Blue People''
That's because of the blue dye they use - it runs. Nothing to do with appearance.
Quote 2. The Tuareg today call themselves the Tamacheq or Tamasheq just as the ancient Egyptians coined the term Tamahu or Temehu.
Wow, they both start with Tam, must be related. I bet they settled Tamworth too.
Quote But most important are the skeletons which the discoverer of these cemeteries , Reisner, calls C-Group,or Middle-Nubians , the majority of which , he affirms , exhibit traces of negroes , those of the most recent epoch bearing the most striking instances .
What's a trace of a Negro?!
Last I checked Nubians look nothing like Ghanians. Are these West, East, or Central African features they are talking about? This quote is just racism.
 
I question the motivation of the research.
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Originally posted by Omar Al Hashim Omar Al Hashim wrote:

I don't believe that ancient Egyptians had modern American racial hangups.

It has nothing to do with modern racial hang-ups, the thread is talking about how the Temehu and Nubians maybe of the C-group.

Originally posted by Omar Al Hashim Omar Al Hashim wrote:

That's because of the blue dye they use - it runs. Nothing to do with appearance.

Not just that the Tuareg today are still  called ''the Blue Men'', because of how often they wear the color on their veil, and this name was given to them by other tribes. The Tuareg   are believed to have traveled around the areas of Southern Libya and there is evidence of them even making it up to LAKE NASSER.You are not understanding that it cannot be a coincidence that libyan neighbors today  still perceive these people to be the same.

Originally posted by Omar AL Hashim Omar AL Hashim wrote:

Wow, they both start with Tam, must be related. I bet they settled Tamworth too.

The Egyptian inscriptions for the Temehu or Temehu  was Tm'h or the Tuareg call themselves Tamahaq meaning - Tmhq- or sometimes Tamasheq which would be written, Tmshq.  The tuareq or Tifnaq writing like the Ancient Egyptian writing was abjad, which is a common characteristic of ancient afro-asiatic languages, so it does make a big difference if you understand abjad writing systems. And they are anthropologist  that agree with these similarities also.

Originally posted by Omar Al Hashim Omar Al Hashim wrote:

Originally posted by AksumVanguard AksumVanguard wrote:

But most important are the skeletons which the discoverer of these cemeteries , Reisner, calls C-Group,or Middle-Nubians , the majority of which , he affirms , exhibit traces of negroes , those of the most recent epoch bearing the most striking instances .


What's a trace of a Negro?!
Last I checked Nubians look nothing like Ghanians. Are these West, East, or Central African features they are talking about? This quote is just racism.

I agree, hmm what actual constitutes Negro, since as you would say  the populations of Africa  vary in many degrees of physical features. But the key point in the article is that he said the Nubian as matter of fact he specifically stated the  ''C-group'',so not only is it physical characteristics it is a distinct material culture. Yes the C-Group does have specific qualities that make it identifiable,do your research on it if you like, so its not like the reference I gave is just going off physical characteristics, it also basing its observation on the  the clothing,pottery, and the other material culture discovered.

They key word is C-Group my friend which is very specific as saying the Assyrians of Mesopotamia a specific group ,  its not just saying Nubian or even Negro skeletons. I would never just base my assumptions on saying its negro affinities because , that is already distorted and diluted with many faulty presumptions.


Originally posted by Omar Al Hashim Omar Al Hashim wrote:

I question the motivation of the research.

Simple the Nubian culture especially C-group extended into farther reaches  around ancient Egypt . So the Libyans were of many ethnicities and not one specific group as some researchers falsely categorize them to be.


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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Outdated musings from an ideologically suspect era.

Jibber Jabbering again aren't we, if you are going to object or disagree with whats in my post then at least come with a substantiated argument. Outdated, I've seen you quote authors and books that are way older than this, their people still quoting Tacitus and Josephus, does that make their postulations obsolete or default. 

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Originally posted by Aksum Aksum wrote:

It has nothing to do with modern racial hang-ups, the thread is talking about how the Temehu and Nubians maybe of the C-group.

The quote, rather than your text, is trying to draw parallels in the readers mind between modern black americans and ancient civilisations.
Quote Not just that the Tuareg today are still called ''the Blue Men'', because of how often they wear the color on their veil, and this name was given to them by other tribes

But how long have they been wearing the veil? And how long has the veil been blue? In an ancient Lybian grassland veils aren't the necessity they are in the desert. Clothing traditions are unlikely to remain constant for thousands of years.
Quote The Tuareg are believed to have traveled around the areas of Southern Libya and there is evidence of them even making it up to LAKE NASSER.

There is a legend that the Tuareg originally travelled from Yeman to coastal Lybia and Algeria, and then into the Sahara. But legends don't count as evidence.
Quote You are not understanding that it cannot be a coincidence that libyan neighbors today still perceive these people to be the same.
That's because I think its a coincidence.
Quote So the Libyans were of many ethnicities and not one specific group as some researchers falsely categorize them to be.

Most probable.
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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

The quote, rather than your text, is trying to draw parallels in the readers mind between modern black americans and ancient civilisations.


Incorrect, they are  quotes in there that ones perception would parallel it to that of black americans  ideology since it it is quoted by a post-victorian age scholar, mind you the mind serof many black american or a better term afro centrist scholars as  is a indirect consequence of the scholars in the victorian age as it should be said or not ed whether they like or not. When the say negro thats what triggers an alarm, but remember it is early 19th and 20th century centric scholars who have started that broad and vague categorization.

Any how despite the fact that negro term shows in the passage it clearly states the ''C-group'' which is a identifiable and direct correlation with a people.

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:


But how long have they been wearing the veil? And how long has the veil been blue? In an ancient Lybian grassland veils aren't the necessity they are in the desert. Clothing traditions are unlikely to remain constant for thousands of years.


I also forgot to add that the in the Book of the Dead there was a group of tehenu were not  just painted blue but called ''the blue people'' as another was called the ''red people''. But the fact is they were coined the name name the blue people by their neighbors. Nobody knows when they really started wearing the blue veil,and it isn't that its necessity its a style and tradition. In the Tuareg society the women don't wear veil, but the men do its just their tradition .And we will not speak of a clothing tradition that lasted long to the present, its a clothing and material culture tradition that is distinctly notable  in archeology  called the C-group in North East Africa  that endured in particular location and  in a  particular period of time( probably from th 6 dynasty to the 16th dynasty). 

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:


There is a legend that the Tuareg originally travelled from Yeman to coastal Lybia and Algeria, and then into the Sahara. But legends don't count as evidence.


Its not a legend, in Strabo Book Geographica Book xvii chapter III VERSE 19 he speaks of the Garamantes procuring their sheep from Aethopia( Ancient Nubia), so at least it is scholarly. But also the Goddess Neith was worshiped by people in Southern Libya, as it was Nubia.

Geneticist and Archeologist have confirmed that the Tuareg are  spawned from the Bedja who were called the Blemmyaes by the Ancient EGYPTIANS, I even think it maybe in my second links.

Now you may even call this suspicious but the Ammainus Marcellinus, quotes that the Saracens are from the Blemmyaes.

Take a look at this link. Book 14 Chapeter 4 verses 1 and 3

1.  At this time also the Saracens, a race whom it is never desirable to have either for friends or enemies, ranging up and down the country, if ever they found anything, plundered it in a moment, like rapacious hawks who, if from on high they behold any prey, carry it off with rapid swoop, or, if they fail in their attempt, do not tarry.
3.    Among these tribes, whose primary origin is derived from the cataracts of the Nile and the borders of the Blemmyae, all the men are warriors of equal rank; half naked, clad in coloured cloaks down to the waist, overrunning different countries, with the aid of swift and active horses and speedy camels, alike in times of peace and war. Nor does any member of their tribes ever take plough in hand or cultivate a tree, or seek food by the tillage of the land; but they are perpetually wandering over various and extensive districts, having no home, no fixed abode or laws; nor can they endure to remain long in the same climate, no one district or country pleasing them for a continuance.







Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:


That's because I think its a coincidence.

Which is understandable  did you read the links in the second post of this thread, it is very helpful and also reaffirms what is written in this post.


Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:


Most probable.


Not just Libya but North Africa itself, I have been researching many authors like G Sell Tome , D.J Lucas,Augistin Bernard and many others and what they write about is surprisng.

Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:


You still don't get it, do you?


Elaborate and explain, whats the riddle I'm not getting.



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"Ancient Egyptians" in the time of Ammianus Marcellinus? Give us all a break here and if we are going to be lectured on topics such as "Melanoid Societies" at least admit you've been busy visiting places such as the link below:
 
 
The Roman general Marcellinus was involved in the invasion of Africa in the fifth century A.D. mentioned the nomads from Arabia as descendants from one of the cataracts of the Nile and the border region of the Blemmyaes (Nubians).  The men was said to be equal in rank, overrunning different countries using swift horses, speedy camels, whether in times of war or peace.  These men were described as being half-naked or dressed in colored cloaks that extended down to the waist. 


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Originally posted by drgonzga drgonzga wrote:

"Ancient Egyptians" in the time of Ammianus Marcellinus? Give us all a break here and if we are going to be lectured on topics such as "Melanoid Societies" at least admit you've been busy visiting places such as the link below:


Wrong, read carefully I said the ancient Egyptians mention a people on the Eastern Sudan called the Blemmyaes (who are t believed to be  the beja tribes of today). Now the Blemmyae of Ancient Egypt are still identified  in the time of Ammanius Marcellinus with same name, in which he clearly states during his day 325-391 A.D  , that the Saracen race or culture which is probably that of the Bedouin lifestyle , originated on the cataracts of the Nile, long before the term was used for Islamcist warriors in the later centuries of the common era.

Your reference is  red herring,and has absolutely nothing to do with what Ammanius Marcellinus writes, I suggest you not to 't distract yourself along with other participants of the site, not good qualities of the academically curious.
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Get off that high horse--of the rocking type--and understand the antics that you are pulling with nomenclature are sheer bunkum. Academic curiosity and the academically curious are hardly substitutes for competence and often become expressions of the oxymoronic in the hands of some.
There is not a single reference to "Blemmyaes" in the records of Ancient Egypt proper and I defy you to profer a single inscription or papyral reference. Secondly, the repeated appeal to the vague generalizations on geography by the Greeks--be it Pliny, Herodotus, or anyone else--, where "Lybia" is a generalization for North Africa that is not Egypt and "Aethiopia" pretty much anything else to the South, hardly constitute competent parameters for any speculation on culture, ethnicity, custom or peoples!
 
Now, were you to present matters in terms of the Brhm within an Egyptian context a discussion might ensue but even here the leaps you attempt are more than problematic and become ahistorical given the realities of the Medjay. Even Wiki notes the error of your attempt. Now, if you do wish to discuss the actual record and with reference to Napata from the 7th century BC and thereafter feel free to do so but as for anything "Lybian", please such is nothing other than bunkum!
 
As for that "red-herring" isn't it curious that it resembles to a "T" the point you attempted? What can I say other than the iterative over the clueless!?!
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

There is not a single reference to "Blemmyaes" in the records of Ancient Egypt proper and I defy you to profer a single inscription or papyral reference.


Hope you didn't jump of the ledge without a parachute. Inscriptions the of the Blemmaye show up on the Demotic script in the sixth century BCE, where do you think the greek authors get the name from. Its just like Aethopia believed to come from a Greek name but it really comes from the name Ityopia and is home bred word.

In contrast to uncertainty of the two sources thus far considered, there are several references to the Blemmyes which have been discovered in Demotic papyri which are far more certain

The earliest of these comes from the last quarter of the sixth century B.C. during the time when the Persians ruled Egypt. This source is a long Demotic papyrus composed by a man named Petesi which is part of the Rylands collection .

The next reference to the Blemmyes in a Demotic text is found in the Papyrus Hauswaldt VI which has been edited by W.SPIEGELBERG and can be firlmly dated to 229/219 BC.

In Papyrus Dodgson, which dates from about 180 B.C.C, we find another reference to Blemmyes living at the far South of Egypt proper.

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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:


 Secondly, the repeated appeal to the vague generalizations on geography by the Greeks--be it Pliny, Herodotus, or anyone else--, where "Lybia" is a generalization for North Africa that is not Egypt and "Aethiopia" pretty much anything else to the South, hardly constitute competent parameters for any speculation on culture, ethnicity, custom or peoples!


That's wrong Libya was also used in ancient times to include the whole continent of Africa(meaning the African continent itself), are you sure you don't want to revise what you said.
Originally posted by drgonzga drgonzga wrote:


Now, if you do wish to discuss the actual record and with reference to Napata from the 7th century BC and thereafter feel free to do so but as for anything "Lybian", please such is nothing other than bunkum!


Why, how do we know whats written about Napata is evident and truthful, the Greco-Roman world did have knowledge of whats going in North Africa since many of their citizens and slaves came from there at some instances.



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FYI...Blemmyes is not an Egyptian word and would not have been employed in demotic anything (and besides Early Demotic does not emerge until the 25th dynasty amd has closer association with the 26th and 27th dynasties), so kindly cease all of these embarrasing assertions that call for drastic inversions so as to satisfy a particularist agenda.
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Blemmyae was derived from the Demotic language which was a form of an infused Greek and Egyptian writing script, and as you say Demotic was conceived during  the Nubian 25th dynasty but mainly used in 26th and 27th but the langauge was Egyptian.Demotic was formed out of the Aethopian Hieratic script, but was mainly used for Egyptians speaking  Greek in the following centuries . Greeks have mispronounced many of the Egyptian words like hw-k-ptah  which became Aiegipticos  nonetheless the Blemmyae is present.

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Now you know the word Blemmyae is found on Egyptian papyri.

I'm just repeating what was written in the text, some Romans believed that the Beja or Blemmyae tribes were the first to take on the Saracen lifestyle doesn't make it true or not, but that is what they believed at the time. You cannot totally discredit any text in that is scholarly to your own personal approval just because it shatters your own jaded view bias of history.
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How often must I iterate why you are clueless here? You are repeating transpositions that have long been discredited and the appeal to Greek terminology does little to alter the facts and your introduction of "tribes" for the Beja is in itself another example of wishful thinking. Besides, if anyone has a jaded view of anything I need only refer to the "art" that embellishes the above post.
 
Recognize that behind your posts there is an agenda that is historically untenable no matter to what lengths you undertake to manipulate source material. The 3rd century AD is not the 3rd century BC, much less the second millennium of the Middle Kingdom. The source that you cite tries very hard to reject a false continuity rooted to the Medjay, which I addressed previously, and which you have chosen to ignore and often your own "source" later skips over (see p. 54 of the Updegraff essay). In full irony one must accept that there is as much "blindness" here as in the vocabulary of Petesi and the transliterative "jump" made by Griffith...or perhaps you thought no one would bother to read the link proferred?
 
 
 
 


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Put up or shut up ! You're starting to bore me.You have not  divulged anything of any significance to prove my post non-academic or non scholarly. You groan and moan like Paris Hilton at aVIP party,what does art have to do with this thread. For you to be that old you complain like a wining baby. It seems you are going backwards in life.

As for the Medjay, he already addresses that in the book.It doesn't take a genious to know that Beja or bedja may be derived from Medjai, but the term Blemmyae which demotic egyptian was also used for denoting the Blemmyae or Medjai. By the way there's no need to get desperate and give references of essays, how scholarly is that.

The 3rd century AD is not the 3rd century bc ,duh, but you mistakenly claimed that there was no word called  Blemmaye what so ever that can be attributed to the Ancient Egyptians. Thats wrong , and the term goes back to the 5th century B.C. Your pulling unnecessary stops, for what. Your post gets longer and more boring ,the more credible the evidence is. no matter how much times I bring forth well reliable sources to back my claims.
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Take your own advice, sir! Since it is more than obvious that you are attempting to read beyond your own capacity to comprehend. You obviously did not even bother to read the contents of your very own link. For your information the "essay" you derisively dismiss--the composition of Updegraff--is the source you cited. Or do you not realize that while Temporini and Haase were the general editors of Rise and Decline of the Roman World, the author of the only portion devoted to the "Blemmyes" in that work was Robert T. Updegraff (v. 2, pp. 44-106) with appended commentary by L. Torok!?!
 
Please stop embarrassing yourself by recourse to those false blusterings!
 
Please be advised that once again you are skirting perilously close to violating the C of C.


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Alright genius, I'll run it by you one last time. The Blemmyes are believed to be the Medjay or Medjai of ancient Egypt since in both the Demotic and Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphs they both live in the same area. There is even some cush*te inscriptions of these people. The ''M''in medjay or Medjai has been found missing in some Egyptian inscriptions that denoted people living in the Eastern Deserts of Sudan.It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how the modern name  Bedja  could of derived out of the name  Medjai

Even though the problem of the difference in spelling in this text - the absence of a ''m'' as was also the case for the first alleged reference -compared to later practices remains unsolved, it is possible that the desert dwellers mentioned in Anlamani's stele are indeed the Blemmyes. 


Now as I said the word Blemmyae is found in Demotic texts not Hieroglyphics, which explains why Greeks use the name for people living in the Eastern Sudan.

The fact that this desert people lived in the same region later inhabited by the Blemmyes and engaged in the same activity (although raiding of the settled areas is only in this inscription) would serve to strengthen the indentification. The acceptance of this identification would neccesitate the acceptance of the reference in the onomasticon or Imn-m-ipt, for the similarity of teh spellings in these two sources seems too close to be accidental.

Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

which I addressed perviously, and which you have chosen to ignore and often your own "source" later skips over (see p. 54 of the Updegraff essay).


Four words for you.Neither here nor there. 

In regard to the more general questions of the relationship between the Medjay/Pan -Grave people and the Blemmyes , no definite answer is possible. Although the simple equation , Medjay=Blemmyes is clearly not be accepted ,remain some definite similarities, as HOFMANN has indicated

 That's right buddy although their different names in the inscriptions most experts know the name refers to people living in the Eastern Sudan an Etymology can be explained.


As for the my references being an essay, it is included in a book(Academic one at that) why would it be called  by an essay. You're nothing but loathsome and desperate.

The fact that this desert people lived in the same region later inhabited by the Blemmyes and engaged in the same activity (although raiding of the settled areas is only in this inscription) would serve to strengthen the indentification. The acceptance of this identification would neccessitate the acceptance of the reference in the onomasticon or Imn-m-ipt, for the similarity of the spellings in these two sources seems too close to be accidental.


 Heres something interesting that the Sudanese themselves have to say about their own history.

http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article17365


 I guess that will do it.Its been great, Keep up the Good Trolling.Ouch






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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote drgonzaga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2010 at 21:19
It does not take rocket science to discern who the troll under this particular bridge. As for your continued personal assaults, what can be said of any who resort to such infantilisms? 

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Please refrain from all ad hominem attacks, they do little for the progression of an argument.   Let's all take a deep breath and cool down before we post here.  There have been CoC violations here by multiple members; I suggest that we all make ourselves familiar with the CoC.

To everybody involved let's keep this civil.
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