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    Posted: 16 Oct 2010 at 10:24
I dunno if any of you have heard of the Black Sea Deluge? According to that theory the Black sea was a lake, isolated from the Mediterranean. Around 7000 BC, the melting of the last ices of the last ice age, flooded the Black Sea and Bosporus was created.







At that time the worlds population was only 5 million approx... There was no civilization apart Anatolia and the middle east. There were some main centers in Anatolia of very early forms of civilization. People possessed agriculture and therefore they gathered in larger numbers in areas of rich soil.

The deluge caused for those times a massive relocation of people from Anatolia to the Balkans. The culture identified mostly as that of Hacilar moved to the area of Thrace, Dacia and Moesia to create what we call the civilization of old Europe. The culture identified as that of Catalhöyuk moved to the Helladic area and specifically to Crete.

Meanwhile, in the Russian and Ukrainian steppes the first Indo-European speakers form and will later migrate all over Europe.

So, there are many questions raised here. Did this Black Sea deluge happen? If it did, it brought for sure agriculture to Europe, but was it the bringer of civilization as well?

Did the melting of ice in the Euroasian steppes cause the movement of Indo-European people? Or was it the contacts of the IE people with the agricultural communities of old Europe that made them seek for new lands? The taming of animals such as goats and horses must have been a cause as well.

What are your thoughts?
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Shades of Ryan and Pitman [cf. Noah's Flood: The New Scientific Discoveries About the Event That Changed History (1999)]! But then we will not go into the nicety of geological scale...not that the theme has generated its own host of Deluge fanatics literally flooding the pseudo-intellectual landscape. Even Wiki has to admit the no-nos!
 


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Dr G, you are right, besides that's why I posted the wiki link as well, so that I wouldn't get into explaining details already there. I'm not a geology expert but I this theory was interesting enough for some to make documentaries about it. Anyway, whether it happened or not, the passing of agricultural communities at that point of time to Europe is a fact. At the same time, the formation of IE speaking groups start to form and their movement comes within the next millenias.

Now, the questions raised here are: a) What made people move that much from the 7th to the 5th millenium BC? b) Did those movements trigger the creation of the first civilizations of Europe?, c) If the theory is not correct, to what deluge do 3 main cataclysmic myths (Gilgamesh, Noah, Deucalion) refer to? Is it separate regional events or an alternative one to the Black Sea deluge?

Another point that is interesting in case we have a true story is, that an event of such as size today would make millions of people to evacuate instead of several hundred thousand.
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Some years ago i read about this theory (the Black Sea as a lake about 6000 years agop), and, frankly, I find it a lot more sound and reasonable than a lot of other theories. After all The Black Sea and the Meditteranean are only connected through a very narrow strait. As far as I know it is more or less consensus the Baltics were a lake untill after the latest iceage, and that very large areas (combined as large as continents) now under water (shallow) has been above sealevels. I guess as underwater archaeologists improve the evidence may turn against much of what we "know", especially regarding the more remote past. Since coastal areas throughout history has been more densely populated than average, the same may have been true for the palaeoliti. Perhaps for some periods only the "poorer" parts of the world has been the subject of research?
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Well, it is obvious the BS was a lake. The question is if it was at the date being examined and if it caused a massive population relocation from Asia to Europe.
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Originally posted by Flipper Flipper wrote:

Well, it is obvious the BS was a lake. The question is if it was at the date being examined and if it caused a massive population relocation from Asia to Europe.

The areas on earth that once were "dry" land, bnut now under water may have on average have been more fertile and densely populated. Why I believe so? Even today the most ferikle and inhabitable lands are most often plans, coastland or located along rivers, in particular close to the sea, deltas etcetera. I have the idea it was allways so. If that is right many of the most popultated areas of past epochs are now under water. In periods were watger level, was higher I would expect to find particularly dense settlements at coastlines and banks of ancient rivers and lakes.
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Always, and i say always... when ever i here about this theory i always think of this video




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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Always, and i say always... when ever i here about this theory i always think of this video






Bloody HELL!!! Shocked

That is the closest we can get to such a prehistoric event! Excellent post Panther!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantai_Remis_landslide

A little more information on the event.
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Very interesting topic and impresive images.
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Originally posted by Flipper Flipper wrote:

I dunno if any of you have heard of the Black Sea Deluge? According to that theory the Black sea was a lake, isolated from the Mediterranean. Around 7000 BC, the melting of the last ices of the last ice age, flooded the Black Sea and Bosporus was created.







At that time the worlds population was only 5 million approx... There was no civilization apart Anatolia and the middle east. There were some main centers in Anatolia of very early forms of civilization. People possessed agriculture and therefore they gathered in larger numbers in areas of rich soil.

The deluge caused for those times a massive relocation of people from Anatolia to the Balkans. The culture identified mostly as that of Hacilar moved to the area of Thrace, Dacia and Moesia to create what we call the civilization of old Europe. The culture identified as that of Catalhöyuk moved to the Helladic area and specifically to Crete.

Meanwhile, in the Russian and Ukrainian steppes the first Indo-European speakers form and will later migrate all over Europe.

So, there are many questions raised here. Did this Black Sea deluge happen? If it did, it brought for sure agriculture to Europe, but was it the bringer of civilization as well?

Did the melting of ice in the Euroasian steppes cause the movement of Indo-European people? Or was it the contacts of the IE people with the agricultural communities of old Europe that made them seek for new lands? The taming of animals such as goats and horses must have been a cause as well.

What are your thoughts?
I'm a fan of this theory, both for the ideas presented, as well as being a possible 'memory' for the ME tales that evolved into the biblical flood.
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