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    Posted: 15 Mar 2012 at 18:07
British troops entered Mandalay on 28 November 1885 and Burma was attached to the British Empire on 1 January 1886.

Burmese armed resistance continued sporadically for several years. The British decided to annexe all of Upper Burma as a colony, and to make the whole country a province of the Indian Empire.

The Second Anglo-Burmese War was provoked by the British who wanted the teak forests in Lower Burma as well as a port between Calcutta and Singapore. The British were victorious in this war as well, but were still not satisfied, as they wanted access to the teak, oil and rubies of northern Myanmar. This prompted them to begin the Third Anglo-Burmese War in 1885. 
British finally occupied all of Myanmar, renamed it Burma, and made it a province of the British Raj (India)

The demand for Burmese rice grew and vast tracts of land were opened up for cultivation. However, in order to prepare the new land for cultivation, farmers were forced to borrow money from Indian moneylenders called chettiars at high interest rates and were often foreclosed on and evicted losing land and livestock.

While the Burmese economy grew, all the power and wealth remained in the hands of several British firms and migrants from India.

Though the country prospered, the Burmese people failed to reap the rewards.

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Apart from the last sentence, fine. Note that the Indians also benefitted from the inclusion of Burma in the empire. Where do you think the Inidan moneylenders (read: bankers) got the money from to lend to the Burmese if India was so poor? Indians did quite well in other parts of the empire too, something that wouldn't have happened if the British had been deliberately massacring them indeed wouldn't have happened if India had not been part of the empire.
 
Places like Fiji and Uganda became more like Indian colonies than British ones.
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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Apart from the last sentence, fine. Note that the Indians also benefitted from the inclusion of Burma in the empire. Where do you think the Inidan moneylenders (read: bankers) got the money from to lend to the Burmese if India was so poor? Indians did quite well in other parts of the empire too, something that wouldn't have happened if the British had been deliberately massacring them indeed wouldn't have happened if India had not been part of the empire.
 
Places like Fiji and Uganda became more like Indian colonies than British ones.

Gosh Graham, you surprised me. And I don't recall saying anything about Brits" deliberately massacring them'  Some Indians did very well for themselves indeed. Would that be "those prissy cricket-playing pig-sticking public school types, British or Indian." ? Anyway it's very refreshing having you acknowledge that the Empire was not all cucumber sandwiches and tea for the entire herd.
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Originally posted by Buckskins Buckskins wrote:

Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Apart from the last sentence, fine. Note that the Indians also benefitted from the inclusion of Burma in the empire. Where do you think the Inidan moneylenders (read: bankers) got the money from to lend to the Burmese if India was so poor? Indians did quite well in other parts of the empire too, something that wouldn't have happened if the British had been deliberately massacring them indeed wouldn't have happened if India had not been part of the empire.
 
Places like Fiji and Uganda became more like Indian colonies than British ones.

Gosh Graham, you surprised me. And I don't recall saying anything about Brits" deliberately massacring them'  
What's the difference between 'deliberately killing millions' and 'deliberately massacring millions'?
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Some Indians did very well for themselves indeed. Would that be "those prissy cricket-playing pig-sticking public school types, British or Indian." ?
The 'prissy pig-sticking bit' was parodying some people's attitude to the Raj. Merchant, warrior and aristocratic Indians generally did well out of the Raj, especially the merchants who were presented with opportunities they wouldn't otherwise have had.
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Anyway it's very refreshing having you acknowledge that the Empire was not all cucumber sandwiches and tea for the entire herd.
Never said it was. It wasn't for millions and millions of Britons for instance.
 
I'm not defending the empire here, just the truth.
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  1. Massacre: The act or an instance of killing a large number of humans indiscriminately and cruelly.
          Kill: 1/ To put to death.
                 2/ To deprive of life.

            http://www.answers.com/topic/kill

           

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Originally posted by Buckskins Buckskins wrote:

  1. Massacre: The act or an instance of killing a large number of humans indiscriminately and cruelly.
          Kill: 1/ To put to death.
                 2/ To deprive of life.

Thankls for making my point for me. Killing millions of people and massacring millions of people is the same thing.
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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Originally posted by Buckskins Buckskins wrote:

  1. Massacre: The act or an instance of killing a large number of humans indiscriminately and cruelly.
          Kill: 1/ To put to death.
                 2/ To deprive of life.

Thankls for making my point for me. Killing millions of people and massacring millions of people is the same thing.

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Buckskins

You really do have S.O.L. when it comes to the British don't you?

Did any other colonial power ever mistreat native populations

Were any other peoples removed from their own land in favour of the incomers?

And the list goes on, and on, and........

Please list those countries of the "Colonial Era" which did not do any of the above things.

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Buckskins is long gone toyomotor, expelled after being convicted of attempting to impersonate an adult, and being sloppy about it.
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Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

Buckskins is long gone toyomotor, expelled after being convicted of attempting to impersonate an adult, and being sloppy about it.



I knew that posting to old threads would come back and bite me on the bum.

I wish some members other would originate posts that we could respond to-they're few and far between.

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Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

Buckskins is long gone toyomotor, expelled after being convicted of attempting to impersonate an adult, and being sloppy about it.

Actually CV - Buckskins had the courtesy to leave us before he was banned... - but he knew what was coming.

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