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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote drgonzaga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2010 at 00:25
Just stick to the facts and drop the unsubstantiated allusions provoked by little else then your persistent theorizing on kingdoms, empires and civlizations...essentially drawn from journalists spicing things up!
 
 
If I want exaggeration and misrepresentation, I've seen it before as in this bit of Internet Jazz:
 
 
 
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It seems this whole discussion is pointless, and from here on now I should cease the back and forth bickering.I think your own advice should do you good drgonzaga. The first website is not to bad of a reference as it gives a brief overview of the Garamantian civilization. I do concur that the site given at the bottom is purely misleading as the Egyptians often portrayed the Libyans in hieroglyphs to their immediate neighbors in Ammon. Mind you their a various illustrations of Libyans in Egypt that depict them of different ethnicities. But I do not recall the Egyptians speaking of the Garamantes in their text. The Greater Garamantian Empire bordered Aethiopia, and was on trade terms with the kingdom of Meroe, not Dynastic Egypt.

But the funny picture in the ''Temehu'' website seems to be a depiction of aliens and mermaids with blue and green shading of the peoples. Not to mention it says the Luwata descendants of Garamantes  inhabited the coast of Tripoltania, which is false. It even gives a perculiar snippet about Atlantis Confused

Although I do admire the pictures.

http://www.livius.org/a/libya/zliten/dar_buc_ammera_gladiators_tripoli_mus05.JPG


Villa of Dar Buc Ammera.

The execution of the Garamantes in a Roman colosseum .












Garama city ruins




Garmantian Pyramid Tombs


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Well it's been a long time, I thought I will implore something new to this interesting history.


The Wararia(which may be the town of Waria in Nigeria) mentioned by Herodotus , The Teboo tribe which was mentioned of the rock of Toobo /Tebu were mentioned by Herodotus.The Tebu or Toubou tribe still exist today in Southern Libya.

 

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http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0064:id=garamantes-geo


The sands of the desert: the chief of these are the two parallel ranges on the NE. called the Black and White Haruj (i. e. Mountains), the former being of basalt, and the latter of limestone (the former is the MONS ATER of the ancients); and that on the W. called Warira, perhaps the ancientUSARGALA

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http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plin.%20Nat.%205.5&lang=original

Plin. Nat. 5.58

The Rock Tibboos, so called from their dwelling in caves (Troglodytae), in the Tibestí range of mountains, are still hunted by the chieftains of Fezzan; though, by a kind of retribution, these Tibboos are the successors of the ancient Libyans, who have fled from more powerful conquerors into the former haunts of their negro game.


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Plin. Nat. 5.8

After passing all these peoples, there are vast deserts towards the east until we come to the Garamantes, the Augylæ, and the Troglodytæ; the opinion of those being exceedingly well founded who place two Æthiopias beyond the deserts of Africa, and more particularly that expressed by Homer8, who tells us that the Æthiopians are divided into two nations, those of the east and those of the west. The river Nigris has the same characteristics as the Nile; it produces the calamus, the papyrus, and just the same animals, and it rises at the same seasons of the year. Its source is between the Tarrælian Æthiopians and the Œcalicæ. Magium, the city of the latter people, has been placed by some writers amid the deserts, and, next to them the Atlantes; then the Ægipani, half men, half beasts, the Blemmyæ9, the Gamphasantes, the Satyri, and the Himantopodes.

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2 Where Jupiter Ammon or Hammon was worshiped under the form of a ram, the form he was said to have assumed when the deities were dispersed in the war with the Giants. Ancient Ammonium is the present oasis of Siwah in the Libyan Desert.


An Actual Map Based On Roman and Greeks Interpretation of The World(meaning a recreated map from the Roman Era.




A 19th century map that is giving a ''modern scope'' of what the Romans detailed in their annals.







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I will give more information about the Garamantes neighbors the Gaetulians. 

The Gaetulians (also called the Gaetuli) were of two tribes Baniurae and the Autololes. They were known for taming wild horses accoridng to Pliny The Elder and had a signature purple dye they adorned from their attire. The Purple dye came from the Maghrbe coast and Emperor Augustus admired this himself. 

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The Baniurae were established in the valley of the Sebu, and thus occupied a northern territory, threatening the Roman colonies that were mainly located on the coastal parts of Mauretania.
 
Gaetulian Autololes were also known as Autolotes and Autolotae, were located further South and were more powerful. All authors agree to locate their origins in the southern reaches of the Roman province, in the vicinity of the River Salathos, known now as Oued Bouregreg in Morocco


Gaetulians bordered the Roman citu of Sala in Roman Maurentania(present day Morocco) and Madarurus in Numidia (present day Algeria). They were not city dwellers and they may of gotten their name from Herodotus for being nomads. 
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Among the cities where their presence is widely documented, we can mention in particular Sala in Mauretania (not far from the capital Rabat in Morocco) and in Numidia Madaurus (Mdaourouch, near Annaba in Algeria), the birthplace of Apuleus and where St
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The Gaetuli Autololes (Autolotae) survived in Roman records until the 5th Century.  

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 All authors agree to locate their origins in the southern reaches of the Roman province, in the vicinity of the River Salathos, known now as Oued Bouregreg in Morocco.


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The location of these different tribes helps to locate the territory of the Gaetulian around the city of Agadir but it is difficult to clarify just how big was the land these nomads were controlling. To the North, wadi Bou Reueg can be regarded as a natural border.


like the Darae and the Daratitae of the Dra Valley, the Pharusi on the western side of the High Atlas, and the Masathi on the banks of the river Masath, today known as Oued Massa.
 
The location of these different tribes helps to locate the territory of the Gaetulian around the city of Agadir but it is difficult to clarify just how big was the land these nomads were controlling. To the North, wadi Bou Reueg can be regarded as a natural border.
 
To the South, the boundary must be sought in the pre-Saharan regions beyond the Sous region and in the Valley of the Dra cohabited Berbers[4] and "Ethiopians



Their descendants were said to congregate around Gueala ,who are beleived to be the ancesstors of the Almoravids. 


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Until a late period, the memory of Gaetulian Autololes was maintained by geographers, historians, or even poets. Until the fifth century, the name of Gaetulian, barely distorted, remained in the south Atlas. It seems that the descendants of Gaetulians can be found in Gueala -also called Godula and Guezzala – a great Sanhadja confederation in which the reform movement of the Almoravids 

The Eastern Gaetulians roamed the area of Tripolitania and Eastern Algeria. The Eastern Gaetulians were bordered by the Musulames


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However, Gaetulians who roamed the region of central Tunisia, the South and the East of Algeria and in Tripolitania (West of today’s Libya) were in contact from an early stage with the civilisations of the North of Africa: Phoenicians, Greeks and later the Romans.

After the revolt of Takfarinas in 24 AD their numbers dwindled. Under Marius some Gaeutuli became Roman citizens. 

Ptolemy's 4.6. 5. also referes to the Gaetulians as MelanoGaetuli and distinguished them from Leucoethiopians in North Africa.


The Gaetuli had a tribe called the Dari that lived in modern day ,Draa-Souss region of Morocco. 

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Among the Gaetules were a tribe Dari or Darae Gaetuli, there was also a stream called Daradae Ethiopus (DARAE were a Gaetulian tribe in the W. of Africa, on a mountain stream called Dara, on the S. steppes of M. Atlas, adjacent to the Pharusii. (Plin. V. 1: Oros. i. 2: Leo Afr. P. 602.)

The Draa (Arabic: ???) (also spelled Dra or Draâ, in older sources mostly Darha or Dara) is Morocco’s longest river (1100 km). “The inhabitants of the Draa are called Draawa (an exonym), the most famous Draawi undoubtedly being mawlay Mohammed ash-Sheikh. Outside of the Draa region this name is mostly used to refer to the dark skinned people of Draa which make up the largest portion of its inhabitants.” Retrieved May 13th 2008 from

Juvenal makes reference of the Gaetuli in Satire 5:3-4. He talks about a moon being named after the Gautilian called Ganymede. 

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If my lord's stomach is fevered with food and wine, a decoction colder than Thracian hoar-frosts will be brought to him. Did I complain just now that you were given a different wine? Why, the water which you clients drink is not the same. It will be handed to you by a Gaetulian groom, or by the bony hand of a blackamoor whom you would rather not meet at midnight when driving past the monuments on the hilly Latin Way. Before mine host stands the very pink of Asia, a youth bought for a sum bigger than the entire fortune of the warlike Tullus or Ancus, more valuable, in short, than all the chattels of all the kings of Rome. That being so, when you are thirsty look to your swarthy Ganymede. The page who has cost so many thousands cannot mix a drink for a poor man: but then his beauty, his youth, justify his disdain! When will he get as far as you? When does he listen to your request for water, hot or cold? It is beneath him to attend to an old dependent; he is indignant that you should ask for anything, and that you should be seated while he stands. All your great houses are full of saucy slaves. See with what a grumble another of them has handed you a bit of hard bread that you can scarce break in two, or lumps of dough that have turned mouldy----stuff that will exercise your grinders and into which no tooth can gain admittance. For Virro himself a delicate loaf is reserved, white as snow, and kneaded of the finest flour. Be sure to keep your hands off it: take no liberties with the bread-basket! If you are presumptuous enough to take a piece, there will be someone to bid you put it down: "What, Sir Impudence? Will you please fill yourself from your proper tray, and learn the colour of your own bread?" "What?" you ask, "was it for this that I would so often leave my wife's side on a spring morning and hurry up the chilly Esquiline when the spring skies were rattling down the pitiless hail, and the rain was pouring in streams off my cloak? "







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i just would like to thank you AksumVanguard for all your amazing knowledge. Do you have any books you recommend? 
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