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    Posted: 01 Jun 2010 at 00:35
     The Home land of Aryans not yet fixedOuch  According to K.D.Sethna- The author of the book "The Problem 

of  the Aryan Origins", if  Sanskrit (Indus language) is supposed to be the most archaic Indo-European 

language  and it also retains Indo-European flora and fauna quite appreciably in the eyes of the author, then 

India might  be accepted as the original home of the Indo-European speakers thus many complications of the 

Aryan problem will be solvedBig smile Is anybody could identify the exact "Home land" of the Aryans?Sleepy As for 

the  homeland proposed by the Russian authors, Greppin, with an eye to the popular theory of Marija 

gimbutas about a homeland north of the Black Sea-what is in store right now?Confused Several European scholars 

have worked out that the Uralic Languages (Also called Finno-Ugrian), such as Hungarian, etc., show many 

loan words from Indo-Iranian and from various stages of Indo-Aryan. On the contrary no one has shown that 

Indo-Aryan has any loan word from the Uralic languagesOuch  This proves that the Indo-Aryan speaking 

people went to the Uralic area again and again in different periodsStar  ( I will return again with more 

information) Tongue Please develop the discussionClapThumbs Up

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I really doubt India was the original homeland. There's no archeological support to this. The majority of linguists point to Marija Gimbutas. Next most probable theory would be C. Renfrews "Anatolian Hypothesis" that has however other problems that are not in par with gluttochronology. Also, Sanskrit does not have the same archaisms like the IE Anatolian branches, nor would Lithuanian be so close to PIE as it is now. And, where are the Uralic relics in Greek for example, if that is the main evidence for an Indian PIE homeland? How do you have transcaucasian loanwords, if PIE started in India?

A simple question that can give many answers to you could be: 1) When were the horses domesticated in India and when did the wheel appear?


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http://wsu.edu/~dee/ANCINDIA/ARYANS.HTM
 
Bad news for all the superior minded noble ones out there and, frankly speaking, all of the would-be Kossinas could better spend their time shriving themselves of 19th century Blavastkyite blather.
 
 
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I thought the Aryans originated on Mars
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  ClapThanks.    (Credits: K.D.Sethna)....The agricultural people in the middle Volga-Ural region and 

north of the Caucasus mountains (the "Samara" and "Khvalynsk" groups), who had knowledge of 

the domesticated horse and horsemanship, are know at least from 5000-4500 B.C.....Tongue Recent 

discoveries of horse bones in Southern Russia and northern Kazakhstan suggest this region as a 

most  likely locus of the domestication of the horseStar The radiocarbon dates place the Volga 

Neolithic domesticated horse in the mid-seventh millennium B.C.  The  horse cult(including sacrifice)

so characteristic of the Proto-Indo-European culture, is also evidenced in the same region from

the fifth millennium B.C.Hug

     ( credits : Anthony J.C . de sa)  In the case of the wheel ( spoked -wheel chariot), seems to be

a distinguishing feature of an Aryan civilization and traditional Historians have held the Indus 

valley Civilization to be non-Aryan because of its marked absence in the 'digs', either in actual,

model or graphic form. The solid wheel had been invented and put to varied skillful use, but

the light spoked -wheel had not been developed by the DravidiansConfused Thus the spoked - wheel 

and the horse-drawn chariot are conspicuously missingConfused
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Ehm, doesn't the second Sethna text say the opposite to the first one? The last two paragraphs don't speak of Indian PIE homeland.

Originally posted by soumyan soumyan wrote:


Southern Russia and northern Kazakhstan suggest this region as a 

most  likely locus of the domestication of the horseStar The radiocarbon dates place the Volga 

Neolithic domesticated horse in the mid-seventh millennium B.C.


That is south Russia and Northern Kazakhstan. Still not Indus valley. If those people at mid-7th millenium were indeed IE, then that was their homeland. To say they came earlier from Indus, would not agree with the laws of gluttochronology. You can barely speak of PIE in the 7th millenium.

Originally posted by soumyan soumyan wrote:


The solid wheel had been invented and put to varied skillful use, but

the light spoked -wheel had not been developed by the DravidiansConfused Thus the spoked - wheel 

and the horse-drawn chariot are conspicuously missing


The first wheels were invented in Mesopotamia and in the areas of the Maykop culture (Northern Caucasus). 


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