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    Posted: 25 Mar 2014 at 15:35
In days of yore, or maybe a few years earlier, the Vikings, a fun loving band of fellows, rampaged around Europe having a good time and providing entertainment for all.
 
But there was also a serious side. Apart from liberating a few valuables, they opened up trade routes with far away lands, and even discovered one.
 
The Vikings, as I understand it, were from Denmark, Norway and Sweden.
 
But while these guys were having a good time, what were the Finns doing?
 
The Finns don't rate mention as part of the sea going warriors, why not? 
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Actually, although the rest of the Scandinavians (Danes, Norwegians, and Swedes) were Vikings, the Finns were a completely different tribal group. They were Ugrians, and their language and culture was related most closely to the Estonians. I don't know much about what their culture and history was like during the Viking Age (800s onward), but I suspect that they probably didn't have a close association. Later on, however, Finland did come under Swedish rule, and absorbed a significant bit of Swedish culture.
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Windemere:
So the Finns weren't a sea going lot like their neighbours, is that correct?
 
I was aware of the language difference and the Estonian relationship.
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Originally posted by mygger mygger wrote:

It's not correct.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oeselians
 
OK, but do you have any original thoughts to back up what you say?
 
The Finns may have more closely identified with the Estonians than the Norwegians, Danes and Swedes, but were they seagoing like the Vikings or not?
 
 
 
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I think I read once that by the times of Vikings, the Finns at most had leather boats.Please correct me if I am wrong, but the Finns were more skilled in land that in the seas.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

I think I read once that by the times of Vikings, the Finns at most had leather boats.Please correct me if I am wrong, but the Finns were more skilled in land that in the seas.
 
 
Thanks penguin, that's the question I was asking.
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You make a good point. A related matter is that of the Saami. The Norwegian Vikings colonised a large area of the UK and parts of Ireland and yet the assumption is that they were all Scandinavians. It would be very interesting, to settle this and your own question, to see what proportion of genes found in people of Viking descent, show the Mongoloid markers that would be associated with Finnish or Saami extraction. Nowadays, the proportion of Mongoloid genes found in Finns and Hungarians is fairly low but 1,000 years ago it would presumably have been much higher.
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Finnic language comes from Uralic family of languages, as, for example, Hungarian does.
Norwegian language belongs to North Germanic group of languages.
So, they are two different groups.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Sep 2015 at 20:45
This might be usefull:
http://www.academia.edu/10125680/Fibula_Fabula_Fact_-_The_Viking_Age_in_Finland_ed._Joonas_Ahola_and_Frog_with_Clive_Tolley_
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Dec 2015 at 20:56
can u also recommend me book sources  on this topic ? please?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fantasus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Dec 2015 at 23:20
One reason the Finns seafaring activities made less impact is simple That the lands they livet in were not located That favorable for seafaring. And then Even much of the Coast of contemporary Finland was for centres the most swedish influenza part. They were part of the kingdom of Sweden for centres. As an independent state Finland is from 20.th century.

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