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    Posted: 22 May 2015 at 08:50
https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AiWt2cfue5xzI2qzsI774CSbvZx4?p=is+van+allen+radiation+belt+hazardous+to+humans%3F&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&ilc=1&fr=yfp-t-901&fp=1

NASA admits they can't send humans through the Van Allen radiation belt.
Beginning at about 1000 miles above Earth is the so called Van Allen radiation belt.It is harmless to humans and cosmic probes alike.
Even the Hubble telescope had to shut its sensors passing thru this radiation danger.
In other words...to reach the Moon or Mars every space expedition has to pass thru this letal obstacle.No effective shield has been developed yet to safeguard space men passing it.
One might ask...but how did all those Apollo missions managed to evade its letal overbearing!?
Well ,maybe the technology in 1969 was more advanced than the present day's achievements...just maybe.
Otherwise the media at that time was very convincing,including the famous photos and videos of the astronauts holding the US flag that was ripping in the lunar "wind".
Please bear in mind that there's no atmosphere on the Moon,therefore no wind can really exist,but that's is a subject for another conversation.
Or...all those photos on the Earth's nearby spacemate with everything,but...the suspicious absence of...Earth.You can ask just about every other astrophysicist can a picture be taken there without ever the overimposing bigger presence of Earth missing!?
And then there's the famous interview of Werner von Braun that clearly states,sending people to the Moon might necessitate 2 more rockets full of fuel to reach the half million miles distance...but those are minor details.
Sending a rover thru those radiation belts is one thing,but men in 1969 technology?
Whatever happened to the newest loony tune idea - sending humans to Mars?
Did they finally invent radiation shileds to deal with the Van Allens that have turned this planet into a cosmic prison?
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Small correction...please read the Van Allen radiation belt as HARMFUL...letal,not harmless.
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I'm reminded of the old adage, "a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing"....
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I think the lunar landings were faked too.  I mean how come there are no trees on the moon.
http://hwyst.hangzhou.com.cn/wmyzh/content/2013-10/09/content_4920423.htm
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Well the moon has no atmosphere. Therefore no oxygen nor carbon dioxide can be contained. As far as I understand the "Coalescence Theory" the moon is the hollow collection of bits n pieces from a collision between the earth and another heavenly body caught in an orbital force.

May I ask- Is it true that in China school children are taught that the moon landing never occurred?

That it was a staged event?

A conspiracy?

Do most people in the Eastern world deny the idea of the USA moon landing?

Edited by Vanuatu - 23 May 2015 at 02:59
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Soviet Union lost 3 astronauts in the spring of 1970 trying to emulate US.The capsule that brought those three back to Earth was not at all damaged,just like the bodies of the spacemen.It seemed they died peacefully in their sleep.Later we'll find out that unidentified RADIATION was the main culprit.
Ruskies took the bait,line,sink and hooker and learned the hard way.
It's China's turn to find out now.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capricorn_One

And while NASA was busy landing on the Moon,Hollywood staged its own landing...on Mars.
Anyone seen the movie Capricorn One with OJ Simpson,Elliott Gould,Sam Waterston,James Brolin landing on Mars ?
The movie was mocking the lunar expeditions in the 70s.
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Originally posted by Kardama Kardama wrote:

Soviet Union lost 3 astronauts in the spring of 1970 trying to emulate US.The capsule that brought those three back to Earth was not at all damaged,just like the bodies of the spacemen.It seemed they died peacefully in their sleep.Later we'll find out that unidentified RADIATION was the main culprit.
Ruskies took the bait,line,sink and hooker and learned the hard way.
It's China's turn to find out now.


Russia actually sent the first man into space, 1951, much to the chagrin of USA. He was Yuri Gagarin and he made two flights into space. He, according to history dies in a crashed fighter jet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Gagarin

Now the Van Allen Belt was beginning to be mapped out in the 1950's by Nazi rocket scientist Wernher Von Braun ... "the Soviets in October 1957, Explorer 1 contained scientific experiments (devised by Dr. James A. Van Allen). These resulted in the discovery of the "Van Allen" radiation belts that circle the earth. In May and July of 1961, Von Braun's Redstone rockets launched the first two Americans astronauts into space during Project Mercury. "

So the Van Allen Belt is not like having a hand in a glove. The radiation is heavy in some areas but tolerable in others. In a matter of days one can recover from the effects of minimal radiation. Van Allen Belt is detected at about 3700 feet or 1000 km above earth. You may not believe this but a skydiver descended from 135,890 feet in 2012.

Finally I would ask why would China be trying to launch their own manned space mission if they believed it to be impossible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HACPk8SKgk
Felix Baumgartner shattered the world record for highest-altitude jump when he famously plummeted 128,100 feet to Earth on October 9, 2012. Sponsored by Red Bull, the event was an international phenomenon as 12.6 million people watched the event live. In the early morning hours of October 24, 57-year-old computer scientist Alan Eustace quietly broke that record by completing a jump from over a mile higher at 135,890 feet
http://www.nmspacemuseum.org/halloffame/detail.php?id=29
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Despite popular opinion, the hard part is not the jump, but the landing....

An American diplomat in fifties says the a Russian diplomat, "our German scientists are better than your German scientists.

An American Astronaut and a Russian cosmonaut meet on the surface of the moon, one says to the other, "finally! we can speak German!

Have you ever read about moondust, nasty stuff, all jagged and cut up by cosmic rays.  Sharp and it clings (static??) to everything.  Very, very valuable though.  Not much (here) and so rationed out extensively for only the top experiments.

Big Bang Theory bounced lasers off the moon, that is enough conformation for me (not that _they_ did, but that, I assume, it could be done, someone left the reflectors up there.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Despite popular opinion, the hard part is not the jump, but the landing....

An American diplomat in fifties says the a Russian diplomat, "our German scientists are better than your German scientists.

An American Astronaut and a Russian cosmonaut meet on the surface of the moon, one says to the other, "finally! we can speak German!

Have you ever read about Moondust, nasty stuff, all jagged and cut up by cosmic rays.  Sharp and it clings (static??) to everything.  Very, very valuable though.  Not much (here) and so rationed out extensively for only the top experiments.

Big Bang Theory bounced lasers off the moon, that is enough conformation for me (not that _they_ did, but that, I assume, it could be done, someone left the reflectors up there.


-hey this is very kool. 3D printing at the International Space Station.
Astronauts will use Moondust in 3D and eventually 6D printers to replace parts.
Another article says they can microwave Moondust faster than making a cup of tea. The result is a smooth glassy surface. It seems the idea is use Moondust to create roads. Small glitch, it's so iron rich that if it gets into your lungs it will likely kill you. Someone will find a way around it.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/space-3d-printer-could-use-moon-dust-1467075
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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Originally posted by Kardama Kardama wrote:

Soviet Union lost 3 astronauts in the spring of 1970 trying to emulate US.The capsule that brought those three back to Earth was not at all damaged,just like the bodies of the spacemen.It seemed they died peacefully in their sleep.Later we'll find out that unidentified RADIATION was the main culprit.
Ruskies took the bait,line,sink and hooker and learned the hard way.
It's China's turn to find out now.


Russia actually sent the first man into space, 1951, much to the chagrin of USA. He was Yuri Gagarin and he made two flights into space. He, according to history dies in a crashed fighter jet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Gagarin

Now the Van Allen Belt was beginning to be mapped out in the 1950's by Nazi rocket scientist Wernher Von Braun ... "the Soviets in October 1957, Explorer 1 contained scientific experiments (devised by Dr. James A. Van Allen). These resulted in the discovery of the "Van Allen" radiation belts that circle the earth. In May and July of 1961, Von Braun's Redstone rockets launched the first two Americans astronauts into space during Project Mercury. "

So the Van Allen Belt is not like having a hand in a glove. The radiation is heavy in some areas but tolerable in others. In a matter of days one can recover from the effects of minimal radiation. Van Allen Belt is detected at about 3700 feet or 1000 km above earth. You may not believe this but a skydiver descended from 135,890 feet in 2012.

Finally I would ask why would China be trying to launch their own manned space mission if they believed it to be impossible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HACPk8SKgk
Felix Baumgartner shattered the world record for highest-altitude jump when he famously plummeted 128,100 feet to Earth on October 9, 2012. Sponsored by Red Bull, the event was an international phenomenon as 12.6 million people watched the event live. In the early morning hours of October 24, 57-year-old computer scientist Alan Eustace quietly broke that record by completing a jump from over a mile higher at 135,890 feet
http://www.nmspacemuseum.org/halloffame/detail.php?id=29


Russians first sent a man in space in 1961 not 1951.Their first Sputnik was launched in 1957.
Radiation belts start at about 1000 miles above our planet not 1000 km.
A mile is > than a kilometer.
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Originally posted by Kardama Kardama wrote:

Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Originally posted by Kardama Kardama wrote:

Soviet Union lost 3 astronauts in the spring of 1970 trying to emulate US.The capsule that brought those three back to Earth was not at all damaged,just like the bodies of the spacemen.It seemed they died peacefully in their sleep.Later we'll find out that unidentified RADIATION was the main culprit.
Ruskies took the bait,line,sink and hooker and learned the hard way.
It's China's turn to find out now.


Russia actually sent the first man into space, 1951, much to the chagrin of USA. He was Yuri Gagarin and he made two flights into space. He, according to history dies in a crashed fighter jet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Gagarin

Now the Van Allen Belt was beginning to be mapped out in the 1950's by Nazi rocket scientist Wernher Von Braun ... "the Soviets in October 1957, Explorer 1 contained scientific experiments (devised by Dr. James A. Van Allen). These resulted in the discovery of the "Van Allen" radiation belts that circle the earth. In May and July of 1961, Von Braun's Redstone rockets launched the first two Americans astronauts into space during Project Mercury. "

So the Van Allen Belt is not like having a hand in a glove. The radiation is heavy in some areas but tolerable in others. In a matter of days one can recover from the effects of minimal radiation. Van Allen Belt is detected at about 3700 feet or 1000 km above earth. You may not believe this but a skydiver descended from 135,890 feet in 2012.

Finally I would ask why would China be trying to launch their own manned space mission if they believed it to be impossible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HACPk8SKgk
Felix Baumgartner shattered the world record for highest-altitude jump when he famously plummeted 128,100 feet to Earth on October 9, 2012. Sponsored by Red Bull, the event was an international phenomenon as 12.6 million people watched the event live. In the early morning hours of October 24, 57-year-old computer scientist Alan Eustace quietly broke that record by completing a jump from over a mile higher at 135,890 feet
http://www.nmspacemuseum.org/halloffame/detail.php?id=29


Russians first sent a man in space in 1961 not 1951.Their first Sputnik was launched in 1957.
Radiation belts start at about 1000 miles above our planet not 1000 km.
A mile is > than a kilometer.


Ok typo 5 instead of 6.

While electrons (of different energy levels) inhabit both the outer and inner belts, high-energy protons characterize the inner belt. The inner Van Allen Belt extends typically from an altitude of 0.2 to 2 Earth radii (L values of 1 to 3) or 600 miles (1,000 km) to 3,700 miles (6,000 km) above the Earth.[B/]
Van Allen radiation belt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt

I'm happy to correct my post and answer questions. You should do likewise. Sputnik was unmanned satellite.
Also, no one is saying that radiation is not harmful. Obviously it killed some Russians. You say the moon landing didn't occur.





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Vanuatu,it must have been a radio station I listened in the 2000s,probably Coast to Coast AM,that one of the Shuttle mission was discussed.
The crew had a task to go as high as possible to the radiation belts border.
As the spaceship was elevating the astronauts started reporting to NASA that they all are getting dizzy,disoriented and soon started seeing stars...you know...not the celestial bodies,but the kind of stars we see when hit by an uppercut in the head.
Houston ordered the crew do start descending to a lower orbit and all became normal again.
The space crew was bombarded by radiation as the shuttle was climbing.
Keep in mind that on the Moon,without the ozone layer and no atmosphere to counter cosmic rays even a short stay on its surface might be deadly.
When exposed to sun rays temps are extra high and tend to fry anything organic,then there's a swing in the other direction - well below freezing for comfort.
The original footage with flags in the wind and oter compromising material long since has been removed from archives and redacted.
Armstrong saluting the flag as it moves to "lunar" winds have been altered to comply with science.
Otherwise the public might again be exposed with another landing...that on Mars and later...on the Sun....wink wink.
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I think you mean Coast to Coast with George Noory. I will look for that audio. And I will respond.

NASA never tried to clear the Van Allen belt with a nuclear bomb, but an Atomic Energy Commission test in 1962 briefly made the radiation problem much worse.

America’s nuclear testing program of the early 1960s was called Operation Dominic. Within this program was a group of atmospheric tests called the Fishbowl events designed to understand how nuclear weapon debris would interact with the Earth’s magnetic field in the event of nuclear war. The highest of the Fishbowl events was one called Starfish Prime (the first attempt, Starfish, had failed). This test saw a 1.4 megaton bomb detonate at an altitude of 250 miles. Rather than clear out the inner Van Allen belt, Starfish Prime added more radiation around the planet.

http://www.popsci.com/blog-network/vintage-space/apollo-rocketed-through-van-allen-belts
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Kardama please give these a listen, won't take long.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drSqtw0Qywk

Michio Kaku on the moon hoax

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YjZ6zPs0ac

Neil deGrasse Tyson on moon hoax

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