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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kapikulu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 2009 at 12:44
Originally posted by eaglecap eaglecap wrote:



The conquests by Mehmed the great included the slavery of conquered people and this continued through the Balkan conquests up to the gates of Vienna but the Europeans also enslaved and so did the Africans so this is not the point. I was really referring to the Seljuk Turks and the Turkomen which would have been the early 11th c. AD and not the Ottomans.
 
The sense of "Slavery" you tell to exist in the Ottomans is not the same type of slavery understood in the general context. That status was rather a sign of homage and allegiance to the Sultan(which represents the Empire itself), so, even though there were slaves in the Ottoman Empire(mostly coming from Africa in ships) the populations of the conquered lands were not enslaved(no forced labor or imprisonment except for those rebelling), however was in a status of total allegiance to the Sultan/Empire, just like the whole population of the empire.
 
I think this general misunderstanding which sometimes can be seen in the Western Literature arises out of a common misinterpretation of the word  "kul" , which actually means total homage/allegiance to God(generally used in that sense) or someone(the folk was "kul" to the Sultan, therefore the State), however translated as "slave" in many English translations, and therefore misunderstood.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jams Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Oct 2009 at 06:29
Originally posted by Easternbul Easternbul wrote:

Which Haplogroups are the biggest in Turkey?
If you look at this map, I think it's obvious that Turkey has a lot of haplogroups present.
http://bellsouthpwp.net/b/e/bencragun/ben42/Y%20Haplogroups%20of%20Europe%20001.jpg
this one's a bit different
 
Both Y-DNA haplogroup maps.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easternbul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Oct 2009 at 09:10
How is it with Aegean Turks?
In the West Coast many people are looking Slavic.

How is it with Eastern Turks?
Many of them are looking Armenoid.
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i have been puzzled by origin of seldjuq and oghuz turks, because many of my azeri friend and i which is of kurd  origin . look like each other . broad shoulder big mustach and rather hairy in face and on the chestBig smileand my azeri friends called me turk of honourBig smile. if turkish people in turkey and azerbaycan are really turks why they don't look like turkemans or kergyz people? in the pictures of(painting) seldjuc sultans they are not looking like  mongols or other original turk tribes. were they already very mixed with north iranian tribes bordrring china? before conquest of turkey and northern iran or  those paintings are fake? any information would be very useful.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sarmat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jan 2010 at 05:15
Hmm... Don't you think the answer is quite natural?
 
Simply, because they are mixed with local indigenous Armenoid population of Transcaucasia and Anatolia. Simple as that.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jan 2010 at 07:12
The Seljuqs could just have easily picked up those features long before in Central Asia.  
"There was glory in pissing, Corabb decided as he watched the stream curve out and make that familiar but unique sound as it hit the ground." So true.
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Originally posted by Kapikulu Kapikulu wrote:

 
Even the founders of the first huge actual Anatolian civilization, Hittites are considered to have emigrated into Anatolia, considering that they used to speak an Indo-European language, generating from a widespread proto-language elsewhere, surely differing from what the original Hatti were speaking(which is absolutely unknown today)


Hello Kapikulu!
I just wanted to make a corretion on the Hattic language. It is not absolutely unknown today. We are for sure far from having a clear image on the language but at least we know it was an agglutinative language unrelated to any other known language we know today (although you will hear many romantic scenarios...Can't escape those Smile). The Hattic language survived from religious Hittite documents that in some cases are billingual in the sense that they say "And now the priest will continue in the language of the Hatti". Those few sentences in those texts gave us at least a perspective on the nature of the language.
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So many Hittite affection Smile I remembered a funny thing, a snack food company named ETI. Its name is directly derived from Hittites and you will notice Hittite sun in their amblem.



Also thanks to Flipper, I'm currently watching that Hittite documentary. It's amazing Smile I was added that to my "have to do" list, but completely forgotton.


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Originally posted by Paradigm of Humanity Paradigm of Humanity wrote:

So many Hittite affection Smile I remembered a funny thing, a snack food company named ETI. Its name is directly derived from Hittites and you will notice Hittite sun in their amblem.



Also thanks to Flipper, I'm currently watching that Hittite documentary. It's amazing Smile I was added that to my "have to do" list, but completely forgotton.




I have eaten a lot of Eti-Cin and Eti-puf... LOL I guess it is an Ankara based company right?
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Originally posted by Flipper Flipper wrote:


I have eaten a lot of Eti-Cin and Eti-puf... LOL I guess it is an Ankara based company right?

Not Ankara but close, Eskişehir.
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So, Eti from what I understand is a term connected to the Kingdom of the Hittites? Btw, that is a pre-Hittite symbol and so are the deers (once symbol of Ankara). Both probably are Hattian.
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You are the expert of this era not me Thumbs Up "Eti" is sometimes used for Hittites in history books (in Turkey).
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