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Why is Mehmed II always so low on these lists? surely claiming constantinople at age 22 is an amazing acomplishment on its own, just see what he conquered after that:
 
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I find the OP very subjective, although there was a follow up with criteria to be considered.

All of the generals listed, having regard to the time, methodology of warfare, politics and resources, could be said to have been brilliant but who's to say which of them deserves a higher ranking.

To do this, it would be necessary to research every details of the battle plans, the execution, force multipliers, exit strategies etc., and then study the same of the opposing forces.

I would not be prepared to list them in order without quite considerable research.
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Unless I am missing him, I don't see Douglas MacArthur on the list. I know that a lot of politics of the era probably hurt him. However, in spite of the "Doug-out Doug" jokes (perpetuated by the liberal media) he stayed in Corridor until nearly the end. His planning a execution of the Incheon Invasion made D-Day look like a cake walk. Most military scholars consider the battle one of the most decisive military operations in modern warfare. However, military historian Russell Stolfi argues that the landing itself was a strategic masterpiece but it was followed by an advance to Seoul in ground battle so slow and measured that it constituted an operational disaster, largely negating the successful landing. He contrasts the US style of war fighting with that of Germany by examining the U.S. military's 1950 Incheon-Seoul operation and the German offensive in the Baltic in 1941.Total U.N. causalities for the landing and taking the city approximately 550. See: http://muse.jhu.edu/login?auth=0&type=summary&url=/journals/journal_of_military_history/v068/68.2stolfi.html

He had a incredible record in WWI including being hit with poison gas. I believe he was the youngest person ever made Brigadier General at age 37.Considering he fought in every declared war of the 20th Century plus Korea and was awarded the Medal of Honor and three Distinguished Service Crosses, I think he should beat out generals whose reputation is only gleaned from books and or stories.

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Regarding Wm. T. Sherman (on the 2nd list) in my opinion he should be on a list of war criminals instead of great generals. He reverted back to the old style of warfare that Genghis Khan practiced. that is Vicious attacks on the  innocent civilian  population, arguably a violation of the Lieber Code.Ironically, the great nation had moved away from that type of warfare. The burning of Atlanta, done intentionally by Sherman, was a violation of the Lieber Code.

He was an anti-semite who issued order to keep Jews away from his advancing army because he stereotypically claimed they were their to make money and take advantage of the situation.

His writings and actions after the War indicate we believed in and practiced a genocidal campaign against the American Indians and believed they all should all be exterminated.

In summary, Sherman was a disgrace to the uniform he wore.
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Well said, Sherman was quite barbaric, but apparently being barbaric got Ghengis Kahn to the top of the list. Smile
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True, but when Genghis Khan was making his name that was somewhat the norm.

Just 5-6 years years after Sherman attack and bombarded undefended civilians in the South,
Gen. Von Blumenthal and the German general staff refused to give in to the clamor or the public to shell Paris when the Prussians had it surrounded in the Franco-Prussian War. Gen. Von Blumenthal said a bombardment would be immoral.
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Wait a moment what about Henry Plantagnet the 2nd. They say he could power march his army across France in days he won wars where he fought the Scotts Bretons France half his nobles and his sons all at once. 
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Hello all I was checking the list and did not see General Ulysses Grant up there. I have only read a little on the US civil War (mostly just James McPherson's 944 page volume) but in terms of performance he seemed very strong.

Also Andre Messena I would question on the top 100. From what I know he was a fairly competent subordinate for Napoleon in Italy but when he went to Spain Wellington thoroughly out-classed him.
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As soon as I saw Temujin and Napoleon atop the list I had to question its value.

I'm not sure Temujin should receive credit for the cultural expertise and techniques of his warriors.

Napoleon is responsible for one of the single worst blunders in military history. He more or less killed a half million of his own troops by entering harsh terrain with an incredibly insufficient supply train.

Charles Martel on the other hand is responsible for one of the pinnacles of military expertise at the Battle of Tours, and he is way down at like 78 or so.

Then you have Lee way before Grant... . Gettysburg should keep Lee off the list completely.

Belisarius, Alexander, Hannibal, and Scippio, fine (although I note that someone mentioned Alexander to be a great motivator, but he turned around because his troops rebelled). What about Salidan?

Patton should be nearer the top. And Forrest.    

I would also question any choice that has no evidence behind it. I think I saw some Babylonian and Sumerian names on the list. How can you validate those names?

Where you have evidence of the decisions made by the military leaders, I think the process in determining the best is pretty simple. Who demonstrates they understand the core principles of strategy and tactics, who innovated, and who made the fewest mistakes?

Patton, Grant, Belisarius, these guys were great because they were efficient and intelligent. They understood war. Sherman was Grant without the fat. Guys like this should be at or near the top of the list. Few mistakes, horrifyingly efficient, understood war. Above them are the guys who were just like them, but also innovators and/or demonstrated particular powers of leadership, like Martel, Hannibal, and Alexander. Below them are the guys who were decent but were less efficient or made too many blunders. And anyone below *that* level just forget about.

Napoleon is a challenge to rate because he had moments of genius, was a god with artillery, but also a complete tit at other times. If, for example, I had to choose between Patton and and Napoleon... Patton. Hmm, in fact, based on *my* knowledge, and I don't know much, but based on what I *do* know, I would put Patton, Alexander, and Martel in the top 3..

As for that rant on Sherman... this is a list of great generals. Should morality be a consideration? If so, then it was just as wrong for Temujin to commit atrocities as it was for Grant, because morality does not change over time. Ethics do, but morality does not.

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Let me vent a while here.

The concept of this discussion thread is basically intellectually dishonest.

First how can you compare gunpowder vs pre gunpowder generals. How would Genghis Khan or Alexander operated against machine guns and cannons--totally unknown.

Secondly further subdividing gunpowder generals regarding pre or post tanks and aircraft. Von Moltke the elder vs Patton or Rommel who can say.

Thirdly by comparing a top 100 you are mixing and matching Supreme commanders vs Army commanders vs Corp commanders vs whatever is lower. In other words big fish, big ocean vs big fish small pond and all the possible permutations available.
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