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    Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 04:04
If Africa's fertility rates were to remain unchanged over the coming decades, the population of the continent would grow extremely rapidly, reaching three billion by 2050 — and an incredible 15 billion by 2100, or about 15 times Africa's current population.

I see a very black future for mankind. Literaly. Confused

Source: http://www.theglobalist.com/storyid.aspx?StoryId=9167


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 08:08
Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

If Africa's fertility rates were to remain unchanged over the coming decades....
 
So we should conclude what "the truth" about the future is based on a very big "if"...
If .. we do so we may end up with the strangest prospects for the future.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 08:53
There's plenty of room in South America for them and a similar climate.  Perfect.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 13:28
Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

There's plenty of room in South America for them and a similar climate.  Perfect.


Please, don't compare the paradyse that is South America with the hell of Africa. Here we have plenty of water. But ours is not a region that appretiate or love Blacks.

They are going to move to Europe, the Middle East and China. Here, they will always be discriminated and seen as extraterrestrial alliens.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 13:29
Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

If Africa's fertility rates were to remain unchanged over the coming decades....
 
So we should conclude what "the truth" about the future is based on a very big "if"...
If .. we do so we may end up with the strangest prospects for the future.


Africa doesn't change. It must be something related with the IQ of nations, I guess.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 14:03
I actually believe this type of blathering has more to do with the IQ of one particular bird brain.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 14:53
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

I actually believe this type of blathering has more to do with the IQ of one particular bird brain.


Blind doctor.

Africa will have 15 billion people in 2100, and 225 billions in 2200 (3 times the population of Asimov's Galactic Empire Confused). At that amazing rate, it will be a bit crowd in here by then, don't you think?

Ours galactic future: nobody sits, please. There isn't room left.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 16:48
With new Chile booming economy and declining European economy, African immigrants will pour down to South America and Far east. Be prepare for Mexicans and Africans immigrant , as they will be impregnating your next generations!Evil SmileSmile They will change the Mapuche culture to an amalgam culture like Haiti. Big smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 16:52
What in the world is the purpose of a thread such as this?
Get to a point Penguin ( other than your well know biases) or I will put an end to this non sense


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 16:58
Originally posted by Harburs Harburs wrote:

With new Chile booming economy and declining European economy, African immigrants will pour down to South America and Far east. Be prepare for Mexicans and Africans immigrant , as they will be impregnating your next generations!Evil SmileSmile They will change the Mapuche culture to an amalgam culture like Haiti. Big smile


We don't need more shoe polishers and showroom cleaners.

Haiti doesn't have a culture. It has Voodoo.

Let's hope my country or yours doen't fall down so deeply in a hole, as Haiti is today and will ever be.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 17:00
Originally posted by Dawn Dawn wrote:

What in the world is the purpose of a thread such as this?
Get to a point Penguin ( other than your well know biases) or I will put an end to this non sense


My point: the African Peril.

While most the world have worked hard to progress, and to leave poverty behind, Africa is menacing everything.

Africa has become in the largest manufacturing plant of poor people and beggars in the planet. And the effect will be suffered by all of us.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 17:05
The thing is the poor countries need education and good management to overcome their misery be it in Asia, Europe, Africa or your backdoor in South America. Blindly blaming a group of people isn't going to help us.

Edited by Harburs - 12 Nov 2011 at 17:06
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 17:19
Originally posted by Harburs Harburs wrote:

The thing is the poor countries need education and good management to overcome their misery be it in Asia, Europe, Africa or your backdoor in South America. Blindly blaming a group of people isn't going to help us.


But who is going to educate Africa when the numbers of pupils doesn't stop to grow.

This is a problem without solution, but everybody is blind to it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 18:03
Oddly enough, I think Africa stands a good chance of being rescued by China, of all places. China needs resources, including agricultural products. Africa still has room for development in this area, but doesn't have the money or the infrastructure to move it along. It's a good match- China is awash in savings.  If Africans got a leg up on development, they would most likely follow the same pattern as everywhere else, and see their birthrates fall steeply as they advanced from agriculture to light industry, and large families started to become a liability rather than an asset.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 18:09
I think China won't save Africa. That dependency has never worked. In Latin America Uncle Sam did nothing for us, and the development came by our own initiatives. Don't expect China to expend its saving in alliens. It is just business,

I agree the only hope for Africa is that people move to the cities, and as it has happened there quite fast. Better to live in shanty towns than in the brutality of tribal life.
In cities, reproducing without control is a liability, and I can see the correlation between urbanization and diminishing population growth worldwide.






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 21:40
Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

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Africa's fertility rates were to remain unchanged over the coming
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Which won't happen. Case closed.

Pinguin, could you please dump your racist garbage somewhere else? And with somewhere else I don't mean another thread about the same topic, but some place outside WH, preferably with no audience.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 22:02
Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by Harburs Harburs wrote:

With new Chile booming economy and declining European economy, African immigrants will pour down to South America and Far east. Be prepare for Mexicans and Africans immigrant , as they will be impregnating your next generations!Evil SmileSmile They will change the Mapuche culture to an amalgam culture like Haiti. Big smile


Let's hope my country or yours doen't fall down so deeply in a hole, as Haiti is today and will ever be.
I have absolutely no problem with legal immigration as almost all Americans are immigrants. Illegal immigration is the issue. All people no matter what country they come from they have a right to pursuit happiness as our forefather had told us. I am an immigrant myself, but I applied through legal channel and it took me time and money to become citizen as I paid taxes and obey US laws.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 22:48
Originally posted by Mixcoatl Mixcoatl wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

If
Africa's fertility rates were to remain unchanged over the coming
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Which won't happen. Case closed.

Pinguin, could you please dump your racist garbage somewhere else? And with somewhere else I don't mean another thread about the same topic, but some place outside WH, preferably with no audience.


So, it is racist to criticize Africa? Or do you think that is the "chosen people", that can behave like they wish, and are beyond criticism? Do you mean it is better to hide the head underground, like the ostrich, even when you see the flood is comming?

Give me a break.

You said "which won't happen" (and rushed to close the case) .... Do you have evidence that "it won't happens"? If so, show yours evidence please, I'm willing to learn.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 22:51
Originally posted by Harburs Harburs wrote:


I have absolutely no problem with legal immigration as almost all Americans are immigrants. Illegal immigration is the issue. All people no matter what country they come from they have a right to pursuit happiness as our forefather had told us. I am an immigrant myself, but I applied through legal channel and it took me time and money to become citizen as I paid taxes and obey US laws.


That sound pretty nice, on theory of course.
But yours country is treating like dogs the Mexicans and Central Americans that try to cross the border. Imagine how yours country behave with a country like Mexico that only has 110 million people and whose fertility is declining dramatically, and now project it to the 2 billions Africans of 2050 that will try to enter the U.S.A.!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2011 at 23:40
Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:


Originally posted by Mixcoatl Mixcoatl wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

If
Africa's fertility rates were to remain unchanged over the coming
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Which won't happen. Case closed.

Pinguin, could you please dump your racist garbage somewhere else? And with somewhere else I don't mean another thread about the same topic, but some place outside WH, preferably with no audience.


So, it is racist to criticize Africa?

No, but it is racist to talk about a 'black future', to talk about the 'African peril', to say that Africans have lower IQ, to say that you don't want their types in your country. Your problem is not that there will be too many people, but that there will be too many black people.

Besides, if anybody said things like you say about Africans about Chileans they'd have you foaming at the mouth in anger about their anti-Latin bias and rant on about how ignorant the rest of the world is about your part of the world.

Or do you think that is the "chosen people", that can behave like they wish, and are beyond criticism? Do you mean it is better to hide the head underground, like the ostrich, even when you see the flood is comming?

Quote You said "which won't happen" (and rushed to close the case) .... Do you have evidence that "it won't happens"? If so, show yours evidence please, I'm willing to learn.

Please show your own evidence first... you're the one making the assertion. Even the article you cited calls it 'highly unlikely' that Africa's population growth rate remains at its current level for the rest of the century. It estimates Africa will have around 3.6 billion people in 2100, not 15 billion.

And more importantly, unlike your posts the article doesn't portray Africans as inferior people.

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Originally posted by Mixcoatl Mixcoatl wrote:


No, but it is racist to talk about a 'black future', to talk about the 'African peril', to say that Africans have lower IQ, to say that you don't want their types in your country. Your problem is not that there will be too many people, but that there will be too many black people.


Do you think 15 billion people will be OK for Africans? Confused

Originally posted by Mixcoatl Mixcoatl wrote:


Besides, if anybody said things like you say about Africans about Chileans they'd have you foaming at the mouth in anger about their anti-Latin bias and rant on about how ignorant the rest of the world is about your part of the world.

Or do you think that is the "chosen people", that can behave like they wish, and are beyond criticism? Do you mean it is better to hide the head underground, like the ostrich, even when you see the flood is comming?


Here we have the freedom to speak about what we wish, and we aren't controlled by the state. And this is a problem that will affect the world as a whole. I wonder where is Carcha, always talking about ecology but in silence now.

Originally posted by Mixcoatl Mixcoatl wrote:


Please show your own evidence first... you're the one making the assertion. Even the article you cited calls it 'highly unlikely' that Africa's population growth rate remains at its current level for the rest of the century. It estimates Africa will have around 3.6 billion people in 2100, not 15 billion.


I see. According to you, It is OK for Africa to grow to half of today's worldwide population, and criticizing that is racist. And the 3.6 billion figure is the OPTIMIST estimate Confused. I don't know why people is still optimist about Africa after 50 years of failure.

Originally posted by Mixcoatl Mixcoatl wrote:


And more importantly, unlike your posts the article doesn't portray Africans as inferior people.


I have called Africans ignorants and poors. Not genetically inferior people. IQ depends on education, you know. I haven't asume they behave like they do because they are inferior, but because theirs lack of responsability, and theirs backwards culture based in machism, where women are considered reproduction machines and where everybody want to be the chief of a large tribe. That must change, if the world would survive.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2011 at 13:15
Another truth.
Since this thread started with a praisworthy promise to give us the truth I will give another truth  in return: So far we have seen very little evidence supporting the one or the other view of ther future, even the demographic outlook. It is not that the issue is irrelevant - since I think concerns over population developments are entirely legitimate and so the discussion -   it could be beneficial, even "necessary". So could a discussion about Africa too, if there were fewer bombastic statements, more thought, more argumentation, less confusion about what is prognosis or forecast, what is fact.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2011 at 13:26
The fact is that population growth is still out of control in Africa. The truth is that nobody knows if that will change in a few years  (as it has happened elsewhere) or if there is disaster ahead.

Only time will tell.

For now, I believe the article whose link I put above and that I repeat now, explains pretty well the current situation

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/557


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