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    Posted: 21 Oct 2013 at 21:04
One reason to ask is that the year 1913-14 was the year the ww1 started. Now extremely few has experienced those years first hand, still it was a time in many ways recognisable now, though many of us have known people living their youth then. A time of technology, science and capitalism embracing societies and warfare, and with many of todays social and ideological movements already in existence.
So we may ask what we may have learned since then. At leat it seems for better or worse the great european powers has lost theri dominant positions, and european "Civilization" its initiative.
On the other hand at least temporary Europeans has gained a less antagonistic role, but what about the peoples of rest of the planet?
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Indeed. 1913 was the beginning of the European debacle and genocide. But I don't think that an improvement in mentality made the change at the end. It was the atomic bomb which forced man to change, and forced states to stay away from war, and nothing else.


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In Central Europe, we are the first generation (born after May 1945) who did not experience the horror of war. We have endured long time under totalitarian system with all human right abuses but it was not a war.

The closest we have come to nuclear war was during the  Cuban crisis but the common sense prevailed and we have been allowed to live in peace.

The atomic (nuclear) weaponry did force all nation to rethink their attitude towards armed conflict  but huge nuclear arsenal still exist with more and more countries accruing  access to this deadly technology. Eventually (I hope that I’m wrong) same rogue country or terrorist group could get access to “the bomb“ and create havoc to our life.



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I think the mindset of "the public" changes over time, though "human nature", whatever that means, may be in some sense the "same". Societies change, the "world situation" does, so a part of the world may change very much over 100 years.
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I would say it started from a satire.
"Elements of the Protocols were plagiarized from Joly's fictional Dialogue in Hell, a thinly veiled attack on the political ambitions of Napoleon III, "

Russian spy replaced jew as subject and printed lots books.
"The Protocols appeared in print in the Russian Empire as early as 1903"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion
It got jews mad and want to destroy russian empire.  Jews were founders of communism in ussr.
Document was fake, but it also granted hitler one more excuse to eliminate jews.

Incidentally jewish banker help finance japan in war against russia.




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Originally posted by rocket7777 rocket7777 wrote:

I would say it started from a satire.
"Elements of the Protocols were plagiarized from Joly's fictional Dialogue in Hell, a thinly veiled attack on the political ambitions of Napoleon III, "

Russian spy replaced jew as subject and printed lots books.
"The Protocols appeared in print in the Russian Empire as early as 1903"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion
It got jews mad and want to destroy russian empire.  Jews were founders of communism in ussr.
Document was fake, but it also granted hitler one more excuse to eliminate jews.

Incidentally jewish banker help finance japan in war against russia.


What excactly started with that satire? Not ww1. I think it had nothing to do with it. So I think it is rather irrellevant for the topic?
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Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

Originally posted by rocket7777 rocket7777 wrote:

I would say it started from a satire.
"Elements of the Protocols were plagiarized from Joly's fictional Dialogue in Hell, a thinly veiled attack on the political ambitions of Napoleon III, "

Russian spy replaced jew as subject and printed lots books.
"The Protocols appeared in print in the Russian Empire as early as 1903"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion
It got jews mad and want to destroy russian empire.  Jews were founders of communism in ussr.
Document was fake, but it also granted hitler one more excuse to eliminate jews.

Incidentally jewish banker help finance japan in war against russia.


What excactly started with that satire? Not ww1. I think it had nothing to do with it. So I think it is rather irrellevant for the topic?

"Joly's fictional Dialogue in Hell" satire was probably protest written in form of comedy.
Protocol was probably form of sabotage by the russian.
So relevance to me is that sabotage caused jews to want to destroy russia.

Other than that though, irony is, it might have function as a blue print or something like self-fulfilling prophecy.  Outline in the protocol seems to apply shockingly so well to today's world.






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Frankly Your last post seems close to nonsensical for me.
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