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    Posted: 29 May 2013 at 03:10
How will be the world in the year 2063? That's 50 years from now. You are welcome to give your opinion.

Some personal ideas:

* At that time the population booming will be a thing of the past, and even Africa will be full of senior citizens.

* Self driven electric cars will be everywhere. On the other hand the Moller company will still be announcing the flying car for next year LOL

* A new way to register passwords will be invented, so you will never have to memorize a new password again.

* Brain waves detectors, improved voice detector and face recognition interfaces will make computers a lot easier to manipulate.

* Printed paper is a collection item, and there is no newspapers or magazines in print anymore. Everything is digital.

* Pollution will be everywhere, and the world's economy would seem to be falling apart.

* Hypersonic magnetic-levitated vacuum tube trains will exist in some developed regions.

* At last, holographic TV for everybody.

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Hmm, interesting topic.
In my opinion, this would happen:
-IF there is a massive world war, industry would be in ruin, technology would take massive steps back, and the population would greatly decrease
-if there WASN'T a war, the population would likely reach a breaking point, technology would take up less space yet accomplish more, and lifestyles would likely have adapted to the issues of society and flaws would be almost completely gone
-in EITHER case, energy fuel shortages may be diminished, transportation may require less fuel and less pollution, while pollution from the older companies are likely highly evident, and HOPEFULLY more diseases can be cured.
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Much of what is anticipated in the OP may happen, and I have little doubt about all kinds of new gadgets will appear in the meantime. And the reaction of people, the reception? I think most enntusiasm will be gone or directed toward something entirely different. A lot of people will be hard to impres with the latest thing. Typical response"3D-Holographic-telepatic TRVwith a zillion smells? -So what?" 
A lot of polluting industries will be banned. There will be an argument it is an injustice to producers of narcotics they are exclusively banned, so either all should be allowed, or restrictions should be fair.
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Those in N America, Europe, and other high rollers belatedly realize they must consume less, and return to a '40s style of living, with small condos and public transport.
 
Governments go into hugh debt to buy up expensive real estate and replace rail lines that existed 150 years before.
 
Socialism makes a rebound, as the  average age is now much higher, many are retired, and professional employment is  so hard to come by that a lottery for such has been proposed.
 
Clean coal and nuclear are now two of the major energy sources, and a growing industry is based on remote viewing of mutated wildlife within restricted areas that have suffered Chernobyl style accidents.
 
Some scary weather events have brought a heavy fine for most atmospheric emissions of fossil fuels, even military action in a couple of cases.
 
Major cities in N America are truly multicultural, with populations that represent the world in ethnic terms.
 
Psychologists and counsellors earn a large portion of their income rehabilitating those that have spent too much time in virtual reality.
 
Palestinian Authority insists they will not resume peace talks until settlement building stops in occupied areas.
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I bet, by 2063, at last NASA will announce a serious plan to reach Mars with a human expedition... 50 years later LOL
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The best gúess is the years 2013-63 will be ublike the period 100 years earlier (1913-63)m not least because there will be no parralels to the two "world wars" and the later USA-USSR confrontation and "cold war". That is what we may guess, but not with great certainty since there is the less likely prospect of a larger confrontation, One potentiasl conflict participant is some "islamist alliance", but again I believe more in a failure for such attempts to a more prominent world role for religious power of that kind in a longer perspective. To say it another way: A backlash for hardline "islamists" (perhaps for the religion itself) on the world scene seems likeæy, or at least desirable.
The remnants of the "marist-leninist" countries will face a choice between a return to taking the ideological foundation more serious or abandoning it all together, instead of continuing any "halfway" chinese course. Perhaps populations many places can be more involved in decision making and elected parlamentarians and administrators less. National politics may to some degree be replaced by a more international  level in the from of larger organisations. Not only those we know of, like EU, UN and a lot of others, but why not new ones.
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I'm still pretty confident that I'll live through a dystopia in my lifetime. Technological change will continue to eliminate many traditional jobs - the new technologies, such as nanotechnology and robotics, will not generate anywhere near the same number of jobs they replace. We've already seen the effects of deindustrialisation in working class European and American cities. Deprofessionalisation will be the next step, resulting in huge job losses in banking, insurance, clerical and general services.

The world will face two choices.

One will anger the interests of capital, and hence will not happen - ie, that jobs are shared, resulting in people working 10-15 hours a week on average. Everybody would be a lot happier, society would begin to function again, and the arts and civil society would enjoy a rebirth. Unfortunately it will never happen because our political systems are directly controlled by corporate interests, who care only about profit and hold humanity in contempt.

The second will see us continuing on the same insane path of over-consumption, ecological destruction, overpopulation and the general malaise that will come to define the 21st century. Mass unemployment in the west will cause governments to rise and fall. Populists will fill the void. Muslims will probably be killed or deported in an organised fashion in some countries. The people will look for scapegoats, too ignorant and stupid to realise who the real enemies are. Climate change will begin to show its ruinous effects. Weather will become more violent and unpredictable in places. Unemployment in the region of 30-40% will become the norm. Nuclear annihilation remains a distinct possibility, if for no other reason than because it remains possible.

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Anti-senescence will be a big deal. At first only available to the mega-wealthy, but increasingly it will filter downwards and raise big questions on who gets to live 'forever' and who gets to have kids. A compromise will be reached, limiting children to one per person but only after that person agrees to forgo anti-senescence.
 
De-skilling and unemployment will continue to rise. The vast surplus of unutilised time will be largely spent in virtual reality universes; hedonistic adventurelands to occupy the minds and time of those who now have no real reason to get out of bed in the morning.
 
A multipolar world, in which warfare is rare because the elites of each regional power recognise that they need to cooperate with one another in order to avoid overthrow at home.
 
Denser cities, more public transport and smaller living spaces (you don't need much physical space when you have an entire virtual universe as a stomping ground).
 
Most babies will be genetically engineered to at least be free of congenital defects.
 
Essentially the world will look somewhat similar to what appeared in Brave New World.
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I bet genetic engineering will grow in influence and troubles. Some things that amaze me are the project to make genetic altered trees that glow in the dark... to replace electric lamps; the is also a lamb that has those same genes and are already here. Also, those genetic modified bacteria that could produce in the future substances like milk, honey or whatever we choose. We are playing gods.


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What the World Will look like in 50 yeats is as ursula a very open question. Will english still be the primarius international linguae, and of so, could it be a specialitet, international english?
Will the differentiere divisions betjenes differentiere regions and culturelle communitaire be more or les importància, and Will hostie sentiments dépense or the contrari? May new divider appeal?
It is not unlikely international and supranational organisations Will gain influence, even if the EU has some difficulties now. Perhaps the population in some not distant future Will have the opportunitet to vote about international sisuens. Some super regional organisation above the
European levvel, but not worldwide May appear. A lot of What futurists and science fiction writers have Said -Will turn put as baseres, but Perhaps fem Will Care Them (how Manu of us are Award of the predicions of the past about the earls 2000s that turned put to be far from our experience).




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Water wars that will eventually turn into world wars.

A self correction to the population explosion that will take the population down by a couple of billion people.

Population explosion in the west. Yes, whites will start making babies. It is already happening.

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Originally posted by Al Jassas Al Jassas wrote:


Population explosion in the west. Yes, whites will start making babies. It is already happening.

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Where? (Except Ireland and to a lesser extent the UK)

If anything, I expect the next three generations to be progressively more mixed race, with whites being a majority-minority in much of western Europe by the year 2063. Which would be a good thing, in my view. (from my admittedly ultra liberal, pot smoking, hippy perspective)
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Originally posted by Parnell Parnell wrote:


Originally posted by Al Jassas Al Jassas wrote:


Population explosion in the west. Yes, whites will start making babies. It is already happening.

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Where? (Except Ireland and to a lesser extent the UK)

If anything, I expect the next three generations to be progressively more mixed race, with whites being a majority-minority in much of western Europe by the year 2063. Which would be a good thing, in my view. (from my admittedly ultra liberal, pot smoking, hippy perspective)


Other than South America's white majority countries, New Zealand and Australia, the Nordic countries have been seen a healthy birth rate for a while before the economic crash and it shows signs of returning to normal.

In France I think the birth ratio between whites and immigrants has been steadily improving over the past 10 years from something like 5/1 to a 3/1 right now. Mostly because births among immigrants are stabilising but also white births are increasing.

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That's interesting. In my country, Chile, though, we are in risk of getting extinct. As a result, the country is getting crowded with foreigners. So many, that sometimes I fell foreign in my own country.
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how sad :). There is an obivious solution but I think you would rather not hear it.

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Originally posted by Parnell Parnell wrote:

If anything, I expect the next three generations to be progressively more mixed race, with whites being a majority-minority in much of western Europe by the year 2063. Which would be a good thing, in my view. (from my admittedly ultra liberal, pot smoking, hippy perspective)


Way to let down the society which gave you life. Sitting back with approval as your own effete community is replaced by more energetic and fecund people from abroad.

The irony of the 21st century: straight Guardian readers display their vanity by claiming to eschew concern that their own society declines and is replaced, while someone like myself still manages to muster the concern for traditional values to the point he reproduces. Honestly, I'm chuckling.

Originally posted by Al Jassas Al Jassas wrote:

Other than South America's white majority countries, New Zealand and Australia, the Nordic countries have been seen a healthy birth rate for a while before the economic crash and it shows signs of returning to normal.


Hi Al Jassas. This is a really interesting topic and there is quite a bit to explore here.
Which South American countries do you consider to be white majority? I think the definition is somewhat subjective. Countries like Argentina, Chile, Uruguay I say yes, Mexico somewhat, Bolivia no.

It is true that Australia and New Zealand do have healthier birthrates than Europe. Though we must also factor in that these countries still take in large migration from non-white countries. And this is responsible for a very significant portion of the population growth, and results in the demographic gradually becoming less European in origin as time goes by.

The USA is worth mentioning also. She boasts a very strong birthrate, better than other OECD countries which I can think of. Though a complication in claiming this demonstrates an increasing number of whites is that migration and birth rates are both considerably higher for the Hispanic sector of the population.

In looking at white countries we should not simply examine overall birth rate. We also need to see who in particular is reproducing within those societies. Migrants in the 'west' are able to ignore the 'keeping up with the Jonses' phenomenon better than indigenous westerners because their point of reference is within a less affluent society. Which means their average cost for raising a child is lower, making it easier to justify having more children. And they often arrive from countries which stress the importance of having larger families. Recently arrived migrants from developing countries, in my experience, tend to create larger families.


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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

Originally posted by Parnell Parnell wrote:

If anything, I expect the next three generations to be progressively more mixed race, with whites being a majority-minority in much of western Europe by the year 2063. Which would be a good thing, in my view. (from my admittedly ultra liberal, pot smoking, hippy perspective)


Way to let down the society which gave you life. Sitting back with approval as your own effete community is replaced by more energetic and fecund people from abroad.

The irony of the 21st century: straight Guardian readers display their vanity by claiming to eschew concern that their own society declines and is replaced, while someone like myself still manages to muster the concern for traditional values to the point he reproduces. Honestly, I'm chuckling.


Seriously, what? We live in an age of technological marvels yet persist with early 20th century notions of ethnicity, nation states, and petty divisions based on illusionary nationalism. The sooner the human race blends in to something approaching a unitary ethnicity the better.
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Quote Seriously, what? We live in an age of technological marvels yet persist with early 20th century notions of ethnicity, nation states, and petty divisions based on illusionary nationalism. The sooner the human race blends in to something approaching a unitary ethnicity the better.


Because, just like communism, that sort of notion is simply fantastical and its proponents fail to grasp human nature.

Tribalism, identity formed from common values and interests, and a cohesive society which to some extent defines itself on being what the rest of the world is not - these are inalienable parts of human nature. Hate it if you like, but don't pretend it isn't real and here to stay.

The nation state will continue to serve as the model for geopolitical organisation, because nothing better has been invented that serves the needs of its constituents.

The ethnos contains law, culture, economics, language and virtually every other building block of a cohesive state. To deny that importance without offering an alternative which is both workable and natural to the average person is no way forward.

To forsee the decline or perhaps extinction of one's own people and respond with approval is either an indication that the society you hail from is so worthless that it ought to be destroyed by outside forces a la Byzantium, or an indication that the person who holds such a philosophy is under the influence of what Freud calls the 'death drive' on a communal scale.
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Way to let down the society which gave you life. Sitting back with approval as your own effete community is replaced by more energetic and fecund people from abroad.


Really? Most immigrant worldwide moves to live on wellfare, living like parasites on developed societies. I don't think immigrants contribute much at all, at least they are the small minority of entrepreneurs and highly skilled professionals, which make a small minority among people that migrate.

Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:


Hi Al Jassas. This is a really interesting topic and there is quite a bit to explore here.
Which South American countries do you consider to be white majority? I think the definition is somewhat subjective. Countries like Argentina, Chile, Uruguay I say yes, Mexico somewhat, Bolivia no.


I would say in Chile or Argentina are almost no "whites". If for "white" you mean Norse-looking people. The difference between countries in Latin America is more a matter of degrees of mixtures. There are not isolated and separated groups here, like in old South Africa. 
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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

Quote Seriously, what? We live in an age of technological marvels yet persist with early 20th century notions of ethnicity, nation states, and petty divisions based on illusionary nationalism. The sooner the human race blends in to something approaching a unitary ethnicity the better.


Because, just like communism, that sort of notion is simply fantastical and its proponents fail to grasp human nature.

Tribalism, identity formed from common values and interests, and a cohesive society which to some extent defines itself on being what the rest of the world is not - these are inalienable parts of human nature. Hate it if you like, but don't pretend it isn't real and here to stay.

The nation state will continue to serve as the model for geopolitical organisation, because nothing better has been invented that serves the needs of its constituents.

The ethnos contains law, culture, economics, language and virtually every other building block of a cohesive state. To deny that importance without offering an alternative which is both workable and natural to the average person is no way forward.

To forsee the decline or perhaps extinction of one's own people and respond with approval is either an indication that the society you hail from is so worthless that it ought to be destroyed by outside forces a la Byzantium, or an indication that the person who holds such a philosophy is under the influence of what Freud calls the 'death drive' on a communal scale.
 
As I am reading this, I am thinking of an immigrant here from Indonesia who has become an ardent hockey player, a Chinese who heads an evironmental group, and really, a swarm of others who have immigrated and taken on their new society with gusto.
 
Tribalism certainly exists, based on fear, ignorance, and superstition, and this can occur anywhere. Look at the rantings of the Tea Party in the US, or Skinheads in Britain for example. Given a reasonable education, and some exposure to the world, I'd say most though will gravitate towards some fundamental values. Sometimes this takes a generation, as older immigrants with more fixed views give way to a more malleable youth. Sometimes it does not.
 
In fact this is already happening in some parts of the world. Cities like Vancouver, Toronto, New York, Sydney, and others that allow for large scale immigration are now highly mulitcultural. People can and do leave tribalism behind.
 
I think it is particularly encouraging that younger people today see less of a barrier between races. Racism was epidemic a few decades ago, but differences in appearance and culture are much more widely accepted in the main immigrant countries in the west.
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I would say in Chile or Argentina are almost no "whites". If for "white" you mean Norse-looking people. The difference between countries in Latin America is more a matter of degrees of mixtures. There are not isolated and separated groups here, like in old South Africa. 


That definition of white would exclude half of Europe itself.

If you can't differentiate between a guy X and an Italian or your average Jew then by definition guy X is white. This would probably mean that most Turks, Iranians and Arabs are white (don't worry, I am dark enough to exclude myself from the definition).

Unless there is a religious angle to it which makes the whole race thing absurd and just a mask for other ideological convictions.

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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

Quote Seriously, what? We live in an age of technological marvels yet persist with early 20th century notions of ethnicity, nation states, and petty divisions based on illusionary nationalism. The sooner the human race blends in to something approaching a unitary ethnicity the better.


Because, just like communism, that sort of notion is simply fantastical and its proponents fail to grasp human nature.

Tribalism, identity formed from common values and interests, and a cohesive society which to some extent defines itself on being what the rest of the world is not - these are inalienable parts of human nature. Hate it if you like, but don't pretend it isn't real and here to stay.

The nation state will continue to serve as the model for geopolitical organisation, because nothing better has been invented that serves the needs of its constituents.

The ethnos contains law, culture, economics, language and virtually every other building block of a cohesive state. To deny that importance without offering an alternative which is both workable and natural to the average person is no way forward.

To forsee the decline or perhaps extinction of one's own people and respond with approval is either an indication that the society you hail from is so worthless that it ought to be destroyed by outside forces a la Byzantium, or an indication that the person who holds such a philosophy is under the influence of what Freud calls the 'death drive' on a communal scale.


In most western countries, first/second/third generation immigrants make up a significant proportion of the population. America is a country of immigrants obviously, but the experience in countries like the UK, France and Spain is relatively recent. The 'browning' effect is well under way in the UK (The fastest growing minority is 'mixed race')

I don't understand how I fail to grasp human nature by remarking on a phenomenon that is well under way.

People are clinging on the old early 20th century ideas of political and cultural association, the reality is that the world is getting smaller and national boundries ever more irrelevant. The idea that a black man and a white woman could start a family together and send their children to the best private school in the land is a modern concept, before this you'd have to go back to Ancient Rome to see racial mixing of any kind taking place.

The average person can go f**k themselves by the way. 5% of the population are leaders, the remainder are sheep who will do as they are told. I hold no great love for racial and ethnic divisons, and am continuously baffled by people who seem to think their skin colour or their accident of birth somehow makes them more or less interesting than others. Its an old concept, one that has done nobody any good, and it seems that eventually we will live in a mixed race world. Assuming we don't destroy the planet beyond repair through ecological or nuclear means.
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That definition of white would exclude half of Europe itself.


The definition of "white" is skin deep. That's the only logical definition. "Whites" are germanic peoples of northern Europe. The rest in Europe, West Asia or North Africa aren't "white" but Caucasians. And that's important. We aren't fully Caucasians but more akin to mixed people of Central Asia, where some are more Euro and others more Asian looking. And we don't even notice it.

In Latin America we are mainly an admixture of Caucasians with Amerindians (related to Siberians-Turks and East Asians), but also there are many other populations here, like blacks in the Caribbean and northern South America, Chinese, and many European groups.

With respect to identity, some Latin Americans identify with Europe and other don't. And that is a matter of choice rather than genetics. In my case, I know many of my ancestors came from Europe, but I do identify with my local roots.



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How do I see the world in 2063? I probably might not able to as I'll be 102 years old by then. However, commercial competition for resources has brought the world closer to widespread conflict, population pressures are causing more and more problems with opportunistic migration and the human trafficking that exploits it. Disease is a problem that refuses to go away despite advances in medical care. The global climate is beginning to tip toward accentuating the interglacial warmth we now experience, not because of industry directly, but because of the sheer numbers of human beings and their deforestation activities. Modern nations become more reliant on social networks and devices that are increasingly miniaturised and integrated into their daily lives, assuming you belong to a social class above poverty stricken. Indeed, social divisions according to networking parameters will increase in importance.

So I guess much like today, only gradually worse.
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Quote The nation state will continue to serve as the model for geopolitical organisation, because nothing better has been invented that serves the needs of its constituents.

I disagree with that. The "Nation State" is already well into it's death throes. The EU is not a nation state, it is the gradual amalgamation of many formerly nation states into a multi-nation state.
The US, Australia and Canada are not nation states, except by amalgamation of the many different nations of people who moved there into a new nationhood.

East Asia (excluding China) is the only place nation states are doing well, and that's only really because those countries haven't seen large amounts of immigration.
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I suspect that the best future available to us includes mulitcultural cities , in which the nation state has receeded to less importance. In that way, various ethnic and national groups can get to know each other in a more enlightened and cosmopolitan environment.  One of the biggest problems in human development throughout history has been the division between us and them. The in-group and the out-group. We are OK..... but they are a threat- that has been the origin of no end of conflict in the world.
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From the point of view of some politicians it is possible the nation states are "dying" and a new european superstate is the future. I doubt, in particular the second point. In this part of the planet people are very far from being "europeans", and attempts to make such a thing may end in disaster. That is not to say there cannot be a larger "community" (or communities) , including most of Europe and even some other parts.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote caldrail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Feb 2014 at 13:17
Quote I disagree with that. The "Nation State" is already well into it's death throes. The EU is not a nation state, it is the gradual amalgamation of many formerly nation states into a multi-nation state.
The US, Australia and Canada are not nation states, except by amalgamation of the many different nations of people who moved there into a new nationhood.

East Asia (excluding China) is the only place nation states are doing well, and that's only really because those countries haven't seen large amounts of immigration.

That's a somewhat 'interesting' interpretation of nation statehood.

Nation states are merely human tribes on a cooperative macro scale, thus as much as you might say such entities are 'in their death throes', they will only emerge again because human social dynamics works in certain ways. I'm not interested in strange theories of spiritual or societal evolution and their connection to equality and politics - mostly that's wishful thinking and hatred from the 'not well off'' or the 'Wouldn't know how to be a success so let's get rid of those who are' personality types.

The United States is exactly what it says on the tin - it's a federated collection of politcal entities with common leadership, thus it really does qualify as a 'nation state'. The EU is not fully integrated despite the best efforts of those who want to create a european political empire - it is essentially 'work in prgress' toward such an ideal, and the current economic woes of the world are not of themselves the 'death throes' of the nation state, however difficult it might get for individual nations or indeed those that fail to survive their internal problems, since any vacuum in power is likely to be short lived. Humanity likes to deal with organised responses, and for that matter, there are always human beings who want to tell others what to do.

In any case, the existence of a regional identity does not disqualify the nation state that includes them. Or are you suggesting that London Cockneys deserve self determination? Or Newcastle Geordies? Or does the existence of a youth 'crew' in my area dictate that I have to swear allegiance to a spotty drug dealing hooligan because he says he runs his area and doesn't conform to the society around him?



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I don't want to seen as trivialising this topic, as the world, imo, will be in a poor condition. Overpopulation, pollution and lack of food resources could result in very strict measures to restrict population increases.

On the bright side, I won't be here to see all of this, so there's no point in me worrying about it.
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