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    Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 21:24

Recently the admin group have been considering different methods of securing the future of our community as a strong history forum with growth and prosperity.
We would like to solicit our ideas to you, the membership, seeking your impression for complementing, improving and enhancing our decisions that we will make in the not too distant future.

Challenges:
Over the years we have more or less constantly been the largest and most active history community on the net - although the "competition" could be hard at times.
In spite of this, we have constantly had a poor rating with Google and the other search engines which of course is a contributing factor working against us.

Over the past year, the community has grown and activity has increased. However, despite this, our rankings in search engines have not improved substantially.

There have been continual efforts to bring more activity, members and traffic our way, - an eternal ongoing quest for a bigger and better forum. This is very difficult - and we have tried most tricks in the book over the years. Nothing really seems to make any major difference. But that shouldn't keep us from trying.

The reasons for this...

The search engines are not very transparent to reveal how to get a better rating, but there are a number of things which are obvious for better ratings:
- It's better to have a .com domain, than a .net domain
- It's better to have the forum (our main activity) on the top level - not in a folder like /forum
- It's not good to have a namesake under a .com domain (allempires.com)
- plus a number of other measures we can consider - like fx. link exchange


The remedy...
Here are our ideas. Brace Yourself - it is rather formidable.

We cannot get the allempires.com address - it's already taken, and since Google basically ignores .net, we should find a great www.xxxyyyzzz.COM name instead of allempires.net
That way we would be skipping all relations to the allempires name and we might pick up some momentum on Google with a brand new active community under a .com domain.

I know - this sounds like we would be starting from scratch, but not entirely - not at all.
It would take some months to climb the ranks on Google - but it will come. Many of us believe we are the most active historical community, and if everyone will do a small effort, it soon will be visible.

This has already been presented to our Staff, the Council and Moderators, who are very positive about the idea and if we can get full support for the idea from you, the regular members as well, I think we have a plan.
All new ideas will be welcome - I think we deserve a better ranking than page 2 or 3 on Google.

PLUS.... if we adapt this idea...
We have a few bucks in the bank and could use a small amount on a small AdWords budget - making sure the new address are on top on searches on certain keywords to give us momentum.
No other forum are doing that.
We would place the active forum on the main address - not in a folder. The archive and Library will be placed in folders or sub-domains.
All old addresses would of course be redirected to the new ones ....
Think it over... do we want to stay static fighting for better ranks and new members to no avail - or should we throw the old feathers and try a whole new avenue - with the small risk it involves?
- Or are we too attached to the phrase "allempires"?

Your opinion and ideas are appreciated - feel free to leave comments and/or suggestions.

This thread will be closed in five days and a decision will be made.


Please note:
Do not to mention any names or domains you might like to suggest in this thread - PM me instead.  (it is a public thread and other parties can purchase domains we're interested in before us)


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I and my colleagues all support this measure. Thumbs Up
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I could really care, since it does not make any income for me! As it seems it does for some.

But, that does not mean that this site should not get more exposure, since it also means more exposure for my particular ideas!

So, "Go get em boys and girls!"

Best hopes to all!

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I welcome the iniative, sounds like exactly what this place needs, a real shot in the arm. I do scoff slightly though at the thought that we are one of the biggest history communities on the net - not at all really, and 'growth' if anything has been negative over the past year. We should face that reality rather than indulge in fantasy.
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I think this is a cool idea and might attract more people. Cause forums like Historum have like 50 people a day logged on and posting. Maybe its the .com thing of Historum or theres more people there idk but it is a more active historical forum than this one but on forums like your posting with similar people rather than an impersonal forum with potentially 50 different unknowns but yes it could make this place more "lively" so to speak.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dolphin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 22:21
Does having allempires as a bookmark bypass the google search bar? If so, then I'd bet a large proportion of the current members aren't contributing to the search engine rankings.. How would changing the name and domain help this?

In general, I support this idea. I've been thinking about the development of the forum over the past few years quite recently, and think that it teeters on the edge of becoming somewhat of a "boy's club", not entirely conducive to enthusiastic new posters. Just my opinion. I'm sure the avoidance of which is somewhere in the board's thoughts.





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Two irrevelant posts deleted.
 
Dolphin: Bookmarks have no influence in rankings what so ever - inbound links have.
 
 


Edited by Northman - 06 Jun 2011 at 22:47
   
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Thanks Northman, it seems that the more exposure we get, the better we can expect us to be?

Does that really compute?

Shall we look forward to the dilution of our discourse?

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I support this idea! Thumbs Up 
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Originally posted by Northman Northman wrote:

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Dolphin: Bookmarks have no influence in rankings what so ever - inbound links have.
 
 

That's what I'm trying to get at. How do the members themselves contribute to the Google rankings, if at all, and how would this change with a new domain?


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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

That's what I'm trying to get at. How do the members themselves contribute to the Google rankings, if at all, and how would this change with a new domain?
 
The only way the members can influence rankings directly, is by posting.
The amount of traffic (and changes/additions) on a site is contributing to the ranking.
The more traffic > the higher ranking > the more exposure > the more new members > the more traffic
 
However, I believe there are several other factors keeping us down in rankings, so the idea is to break free of the past as much as possible.
Based on traffic and compared to other forums, we should have a better ranking. 
 


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Have you looked up Search Engine Optimisation (SEO)?  There are some pretty straightforward techniques for improving rankings.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Northman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 13:02
Yes Zagros - we have been there - done that. Thanks for mentioning though.
However, it's not as simple as they make it sound.
In any case, it seems we have a solid support for this idea all the way around, and once we have changed what needs to be changed, we will make a renewed promotion campaign on more levels.
 
 
 
 
   
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I support the Idea in general.

I had noticed that the first page (archive) was almost always full of visitors, but we had few visitors on forum itself. Changing the first page to the forum page is the best decision. You could do it earlier and use the traffic for recruiting members and going up in Google ranking. Changing Allempires name.. I can't see if it is positive. Having a (.com) ext may help to rank us up, but starting over after all this time, will hurt the ranking seriously and there is a big risk involve. We are already a well established history forum which many people may look forward from their experience of reading our quality article and discussions; now we disappear. Choosing a proper name is very important to attract new people. Although, I support the Idea; the time,  the effort, and the risk that it needs to come back worries me. From my previous experiences there are always a high chance of loosing what we have right now. (Loosing interest of Old and knowledgeable members in slow process of developing).


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Anything to bring in more members and in turn, generate more discussion sounds good to me!
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I'm everyone is largely in support and voicing their opinions. We want to continue the trend, and culture of All Empires with this new domain, and move.
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Thank you everyone - your opinions are appreciated and we are happy to see your support for the idea - in fact, there hasn't been one single member who was against it, so I guess we are good to go.
Now - this will not happen like a blink of an eye, but will take some time and effort before we can say the project is complete.
First step is to decide on the new name and we have more choices.
We will soon make a final decision on the name and move on from there.
 
The appearance of the forum, graphics and colors  (the skin) has served us well for many years. It has proved to be a skin you don't easily get tired of - which people normally do. But I thibk it's time for a change with that too - new clothes so to speak. 
 
Some changes will be more visible than others, but you will definitely know that something is happening. Smile
 
I will keep you all posted with the progression here as it happens.
 
Thank you again for the support.
 
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I think a better centralization of the areas for posting would be good. Cause I use to run an invision forum about star wars and the main problem I saw was to many places to post and one area would be more active while another collected dust forever. Like look at all the areas to post for history instead of "general chat" there's like 4 places you can post for history of the Americas.  Just a suggestion cause I'll often put stuff in special focus cause it'll never get posted on if it was in the correct place. IE the Hitler videos I was posting a while back.

I just mean a "smaller" forum so more attention gets paid to the threads instead of like 20-40 different places to post history. If it was more centralized a boring thread would just that boring instead of getting attention cause its in the more active forum part.


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One small addition-I find this colour scheme very easy on the eyes-hopefully the new look will be equally as calming.

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Originally posted by whalebreath whalebreath wrote:

One small addition-I find this colour scheme very easy on the eyes-hopefully the new look will be equally as calming.

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I think a good forum has centralization(IE not a zillion places to post), cool color scheme, and pertaining to the topic it was originally intended. I use to do a lot of Star Wars stuff. It was kinda like we "wrote" stories and we all "knew" each other and "wrote" together but in the end only a couple of forums won out and many of them are still active and ironically I am banned from many of them but the point being its mainly about centralization, cool colors, good "admins" and decent advertising. a forum could be good with 20 to 50 quote un quote regular members 50,000 means nothing if five people post but if its a forum of a thousand and 200 are active which the better forum? I think what we really need isn't better advertising but better "members". People join this forum all the time but how many post?
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AE gradually decentralised when there was a lot more activity on history forums (really any history forums) several years ago. Now that active membership has dropped off, it may not be a bad idea to recentralise and regroup forums. I'll push your idea with the staff Joe.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Northman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jun 2011 at 19:09
Originally posted by Joe Joe wrote:

I think a better centralization of the areas for posting would be good. Cause I use to run an invision forum about star wars and the main problem I saw was to many places to post and one area would be more active while another collected dust forever. Like look at all the areas to post for history instead of "general chat" there's like 4 places you can post for history of the Americas.  Just a suggestion cause I'll often put stuff in special focus cause it'll never get posted on if it was in the correct place. IE the Hitler videos I was posting a while back.

I just mean a "smaller" forum so more attention gets paid to the threads instead of like 20-40 different places to post history. If it was more centralized a boring thread would just that boring instead of getting attention cause its in the more active forum part.
Like Omar said - we have discussed this in the staff- and admin group and we agree.
You will soon see a change on the boards.
 
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Originally posted by whalebreath whalebreath wrote:

One small addition-I find this colour scheme very easy on the eyes-hopefully the new look will be equally as calming.

Regards.
 
You are absolutely right.
It's very important with a colour scheme that we won't get tired of and which is easy on the eyes.
The current scheme has proved it's value now for plus 5 years with only small variations.
 
However, we do plan to construct a new colour scheme - and only time can prove it's durability.
 
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Interesting... I did not notice about this until Omar told me. So what's the new name for our forum?
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However, we do plan to construct a new colour scheme - and only time can prove it's durability.
 
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That's the one thing I object to; change to whatever name and number you want as I don't see it important but the colour scheme is most pleasing to my eyes. Cry
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In that case you will be pleased with the new look Styr. It has many features and visual qualities that this one has. 
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Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

Originally posted by Northman Northman wrote:


 
However, we do plan to construct a new colour scheme - and only time can prove it's durability.
 
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That's the one thing I object to; change to whatever name and number you want as I don't see it important but the colour scheme is most pleasing to my eyes. Cry
 
Now my good old fellow Scandinavian - do not object to something you haven't seen yet... det kan haende du ogsaa kan lide det nye...  Smile


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As for the name goes....  we haven't decided when to reveal that yet... - maybe leave it all as a surprise until the shift...    but I hope you all will like it.
 
The shift will probably happen by the end of this week -but it's a coordinated effort with WebWiz  - so it also dependes on them....
 
But we are ready - the final version 10 is released...
 
 
   
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Nice.Smile  This is madness..... no this is             .(Northman fill the blankSmile)
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If you both insist, I have to trust you. Will be nice to see what you've been cooking.
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