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    Posted: 17 May 2017 at 18:57
Let me vent a while here.

The concept of this discussion thread is basically intellectually dishonest.

First how can you compare gunpowder vs pre gunpowder generals. How would Genghis Khan or Alexander operated against machine guns and cannons--totally unknown.

Secondly further subdividing gunpowder generals regarding pre or post tanks and aircraft. Von Moltke the elder vs Patton or Rommel who can say.

Thirdly by comparing a top 100 you are mixing and matching Supreme commanders vs Army commanders vs Corp commanders vs whatever is lower. In other words big fish, big ocean vs big fish small pond and all the possible permutations available.
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As soon as I saw Temujin and Napoleon atop the list I had to question its value.

I'm not sure Temujin should receive credit for the cultural expertise and techniques of his warriors.

Napoleon is responsible for one of the single worst blunders in military history. He more or less killed a half million of his own troops by entering harsh terrain with an incredibly insufficient supply train.

Charles Martel on the other hand is responsible for one of the pinnacles of military expertise at the Battle of Tours, and he is way down at like 78 or so.

Then you have Lee way before Grant... . Gettysburg should keep Lee off the list completely.

Belisarius, Alexander, Hannibal, and Scippio, fine (although I note that someone mentioned Alexander to be a great motivator, but he turned around because his troops rebelled). What about Salidan?

Patton should be nearer the top. And Forrest.    

I would also question any choice that has no evidence behind it. I think I saw some Babylonian and Sumerian names on the list. How can you validate those names?

Where you have evidence of the decisions made by the military leaders, I think the process in determining the best is pretty simple. Who demonstrates they understand the core principles of strategy and tactics, who innovated, and who made the fewest mistakes?

Patton, Grant, Belisarius, these guys were great because they were efficient and intelligent. They understood war. Sherman was Grant without the fat. Guys like this should be at or near the top of the list. Few mistakes, horrifyingly efficient, understood war. Above them are the guys who were just like them, but also innovators and/or demonstrated particular powers of leadership, like Martel, Hannibal, and Alexander. Below them are the guys who were decent but were less efficient or made too many blunders. And anyone below *that* level just forget about.

Napoleon is a challenge to rate because he had moments of genius, was a god with artillery, but also a complete tit at other times. If, for example, I had to choose between Patton and and Napoleon... Patton. Hmm, in fact, based on *my* knowledge, and I don't know much, but based on what I *do* know, I would put Patton, Alexander, and Martel in the top 3..

As for that rant on Sherman... this is a list of great generals. Should morality be a consideration? If so, then it was just as wrong for Temujin to commit atrocities as it was for Grant, because morality does not change over time. Ethics do, but morality does not.

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Hello all I was checking the list and did not see General Ulysses Grant up there. I have only read a little on the US civil War (mostly just James McPherson's 944 page volume) but in terms of performance he seemed very strong.

Also Andre Messena I would question on the top 100. From what I know he was a fairly competent subordinate for Napoleon in Italy but when he went to Spain Wellington thoroughly out-classed him.
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Wait a moment what about Henry Plantagnet the 2nd. They say he could power march his army across France in days he won wars where he fought the Scotts Bretons France half his nobles and his sons all at once. 
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True, but when Genghis Khan was making his name that was somewhat the norm.

Just 5-6 years years after Sherman attack and bombarded undefended civilians in the South,
Gen. Von Blumenthal and the German general staff refused to give in to the clamor or the public to shell Paris when the Prussians had it surrounded in the Franco-Prussian War. Gen. Von Blumenthal said a bombardment would be immoral.
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Well said, Sherman was quite barbaric, but apparently being barbaric got Ghengis Kahn to the top of the list. Smile
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Regarding Wm. T. Sherman (on the 2nd list) in my opinion he should be on a list of war criminals instead of great generals. He reverted back to the old style of warfare that Genghis Khan practiced. that is Vicious attacks on the  innocent civilian  population, arguably a violation of the Lieber Code.Ironically, the great nation had moved away from that type of warfare. The burning of Atlanta, done intentionally by Sherman, was a violation of the Lieber Code.

He was an anti-semite who issued order to keep Jews away from his advancing army because he stereotypically claimed they were their to make money and take advantage of the situation.

His writings and actions after the War indicate we believed in and practiced a genocidal campaign against the American Indians and believed they all should all be exterminated.

In summary, Sherman was a disgrace to the uniform he wore.
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Unless I am missing him, I don't see Douglas MacArthur on the list. I know that a lot of politics of the era probably hurt him. However, in spite of the "Doug-out Doug" jokes (perpetuated by the liberal media) he stayed in Corridor until nearly the end. His planning a execution of the Incheon Invasion made D-Day look like a cake walk. Most military scholars consider the battle one of the most decisive military operations in modern warfare. However, military historian Russell Stolfi argues that the landing itself was a strategic masterpiece but it was followed by an advance to Seoul in ground battle so slow and measured that it constituted an operational disaster, largely negating the successful landing. He contrasts the US style of war fighting with that of Germany by examining the U.S. military's 1950 Incheon-Seoul operation and the German offensive in the Baltic in 1941.Total U.N. causalities for the landing and taking the city approximately 550. See: http://muse.jhu.edu/login?auth=0&type=summary&url=/journals/journal_of_military_history/v068/68.2stolfi.html

He had a incredible record in WWI including being hit with poison gas. I believe he was the youngest person ever made Brigadier General at age 37.Considering he fought in every declared war of the 20th Century plus Korea and was awarded the Medal of Honor and three Distinguished Service Crosses, I think he should beat out generals whose reputation is only gleaned from books and or stories.

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I find the OP very subjective, although there was a follow up with criteria to be considered.

All of the generals listed, having regard to the time, methodology of warfare, politics and resources, could be said to have been brilliant but who's to say which of them deserves a higher ranking.

To do this, it would be necessary to research every details of the battle plans, the execution, force multipliers, exit strategies etc., and then study the same of the opposing forces.

I would not be prepared to list them in order without quite considerable research.
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Why is Mehmed II always so low on these lists? surely claiming constantinople at age 22 is an amazing acomplishment on its own, just see what he conquered after that:
 
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i need your help send me more names
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250Karl von Müller

251Maximilian von Spee

252Radomir Putnik

253Živojin Mišić

254 Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck

255The Earl Kitchener

256Sir Ian Standish Monteith Hamilton

257Marquis Togo Heihachiro Saneyoshi

258Yellow Emperor

258Sargon the Great

259 Necho II

260Troilus

261Nabopolassar

262Nebuchadnezzar II

263Narses

264Gustav Horn af Björneborg

265Johan Banér

266Lennart Torstensson

267Fernando de Sottomayor

268Antonio de Oquendo

269Michiel Adriaenszoon de Ruyter

270George Monck, 1st Duke of Albemarle

271Willem Joseph baron van Ghent tot Drakenburgh

273Stephen Decatur, Jr

274 Philip Broke

275 James Lawrence

276Oliver Hazard Perry

277Alexander Macomb

278Louis-Joseph de Montcalm-Gozon

279François-Marie Le Marchand de Lignery

280James Grant

281marquis de La Fayette

282William Howe

283Anthony Wayne

284James Wolfe

285Louis-Joseph de Montcalm-Gozon
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286Ferdinand, Prince of Brunswick-Lüneburg

287Edward Boscawen

288Edward Boscawen

289William F. Dean

290Matthew Calbraith Butler

291André Masséna

292Oliver P. Smith

293Walton Walker

294Jubal Anderson Early

295Ambrose Powell Hill, Jr.

296Winfield Scott Hancock

297William Barret Travis

298James "Jim" Bowie

299Antonio López de Santa Anna

300Joseph Eggleston Johnston

301 Mannerheim

302 vlad the impaler

303 Batu Khan

304 Han Xin

305 Nikolai Nikolayevich Yudenich

306Jan Žižka

307Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar

308Gustav II Adolf

309 Selim I

310Tiglath-Pileser III

311Yue Fei

312Murad IV

313Basil II

314Ignacio Zaragoza

315Militiades

316Aëtius

317Michel Ney

318Beverly Robertson

319Henry Jackson Hunt

320Sterling Price

321Heinz Wilhelm Guderian

322Vo Nguyen Giap

323William "Billy" Mitchell

324Iphicrates

325James G. Blunt

326Peter Wittgenstein

327Laurent de Gouvion Saint-Cyr

328Francis Godfroy

329John B. Campbell

330Ely S. Parker

331Stand Watie

332Thomas Carmichael Hindman, Jr.

333Francis Jay Herron

334Edward Pellew, 1st Viscount Exmouth

335Louis Lazare Hoche

336Sir Ralph Abercromby

337Alexander Suvorov

338Jan Henryk Dąbrowski

339Charles Leclerc

340Donatien-Marie-Joseph de Vimeur

341François-Dominique Toussaint L'Ouverture

342Ferenc Ottinger

343Mór Perczel

344Artúr Görgey

345Tito Speri

346János Damjanich

347Henryk Dembiński

348Józef Zachariasz Bem

349Franz Joseph von Schlik of Bassano and Weisskirchen

350John Porter McCown

351Nobuyoshi Muto

352Julius Kuperjanov

353James Harbord

354 Robert Lee Bullard

355William Eaton

356Presley Neville O'Bannon

357Karl Mack von Leiberich

358Yuri Lisyansky

359Edward Preble

360Field Marshal Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington

361Daniel Morgan

362Banastre Tarleton

263Sir Cornelis Maartenszoon Tromp, 1st Baronet

364George Monck, 1st Duke of Albemarle

365Oliver Cromwell

366Tugay Bey

367Grand Hetman

368Samuel Read Anderson

369James Jay Archer

370Nathaniel Banks

371Richard Taylor

372George Hume Steuart

373 Xenophon

374 Phormio

375 Lysander

376 Alcibiades

377 Bái Qǐ,

378 Marcus Atilius Regulus

379 Gaius Lutatius Catulus

380 Jonathan Apphus

381 Antoine-Guillaume Rampon

382 Quizquiz

383 Francisco Pizarro

384 Tariq ibn Ziyad

385Miguel Grau Seminario

386Mariano Ignacio Prado

387Juan Williams Rebolledo

388John O'Neill

389General von Moltke

390General von Falkenstein

391General von Arentschildt

392Wilhelm von Tegetthoff

393John Sedgwick

394Cadmus Marcellus Wilcox

395Cadmus Marcellus Wilcox

396Alexander William Doniphan

397Franz Joseph von Schlik of Bassano and Weisskirchen

398Prince of Windisch-Grätz

399Louis-Alexandre Berthier

400Mikhail Kutuzov

401Charles XIV & III John

402Louis-Nicolas d'Avout

403 Ferdinand, Duke of Brunswick

404Ernst Gideon von Laudon

405Robert Clive

406Sir Ralph Abercromby

407Sargon the Great

408Thutmose III

409King Wu of Zhou

410Ashurbanipal

410Psammetichus I

411Sinsharishkun

412Xenophon

413Gobryas

414Cambyses II

415Miltiades the Younger

416Callimachus 

417Eurybiades

418Themistocles

419James Scott, 1st Duke of Monmouth, 1st Duke of Buccleuch

420Ludwig von Reuter

421Julian Byng

423Georg von der Marwitz

424Edmund Allenby

425Philip Chetwode

426Henry Chauvel

427Ali Fuat Cebesoy

428Enver Pasha

429Armando Diaz

430Svetozar Boroević

431Arminius

432Vespasian

434Titus Maximus

435Huang Zu

436Constantine

437Licinius

438Flavius Julius Crispus

439Constantius II

440Shapur II the Great

441Julian the Apostate

442Ardaric

443Flavius Aëtius

444John Troglita

445Bagrat IV

446Robert Guiscard

447Robert Guiscard

448Richard I Drengot

449Alexios I Komnenos

450Earl Van Dorn

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Originally posted by AlphaS520 AlphaS520 wrote:

The bigger question is, why on earth is Alexander on the list (seriously his tactical skills is like a child compared to all others), let alone second place.
 
In compairson of age he was a child but I think you are being a little hasty in titiling him a child skills.
 
Do come and tell when you have conquered the middle east and part of india in 13 years of taking an active part in any army.
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Originally posted by AlphaS520 AlphaS520 wrote:

So ridiculous?
Cao Cao knows of ambushes, he knows of feints, he knows how to use decoy and deception, he knows how to maneuver, he knows how to interact physically (such as leaving a pile of gold behind his fleeing soldiers, hoping some of the enemy will stop and pick them up) etc All this, every single general of the Three Kingdom knows, and so does Sun Tzu, all this, Alexander nor Hannibal, Napoleon Bonaparte nor Frederik, Clausewitz nor Caesar, they know nothing.
  One qestion how deep are this mans pockets that he will leave a a little plie of money when ever he is scared and running away.
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hay i need more names and they are not in order yet
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Patton was one of the stars of the second half of the 2nd World War. He was lucky to get a command when Allied strength was starting to become overwhelming. He was an aggressive commander who might have done better serving in the German or Russian armies where a disregard of high casualties was normal. However he was handicapped as being a general for the western democracies, who could not get away with huge casualties.
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300Joseph Eggleston Johnston

301 Mannerheim

302 vlad the impaler

303 Batu Khan

304 Han Xin

305 Nikolai Nikolayevich Yudenich

306Jan Žižka

307Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar

308Gustav II Adolf

309 Selim I

310Tiglath-Pileser III

311Yue Fei

312Murad IV

313Basil II

314Ignacio Zaragoza

315Militiades

316Aëtius

317Michel Ney

318Beverly Robertson

319Henry Jackson Hunt

320Sterling Price

321Heinz Wilhelm Guderian

322Vo Nguyen Giap

323William "Billy" Mitchell

324Iphicrates

325James G. Blunt

326Peter Wittgenstein

327Laurent de Gouvion Saint-Cyr

328Francis Godfroy

329John B. Campbell

330Ely S. Parker

331Stand Watie

332Thomas Carmichael Hindman, Jr.

333Francis Jay Herron

334Edward Pellew, 1st Viscount Exmouth

335Louis Lazare Hoche

336Sir Ralph Abercromby

337Alexander Suvorov

338Jan Henryk Dąbrowski

339Charles Leclerc

340Donatien-Marie-Joseph de Vimeur

341François-Dominique Toussaint L'Ouverture

342Ferenc Ottinger

343Mór Perczel

344Artúr Görgey

345Tito Speri

346János Damjanich

347Henryk Dembiński

348Józef Zachariasz Bem

349Franz Joseph von Schlik of Bassano and Weisskirchen

350John Porter McCown

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1 Alexander the Great

2 sun tzu

3 Fredrick the great

4 Otto Bismarck

5 Julius Caesar

6 cyrus the grate

7 Hannibal Barca

8 Joan of Arc

9 Genghis Khan

10 Napoleon Bonaparte

11 Scipio Africanus

12 Charlemagne

13 Joshua

14 Peter the Great

15Manfred von Richthofen

16 Erwin Rommel

17 Mohammed

18 Heihachiro Togo

19 David

20Patrick Cleburne

21 George S. Patton

22 Spartacus

23 Hermann Goering

24 Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson

25 Leonidas I

26 Robert E. Lee

27 Winston Churchill

28 John Joseph Pershing

29 Winfield Scott

30 Nathan Bedford Forrest

31 Themistocles

32 Mao Zedong

33 Georgy Zhukov

34J.E.B. Stuart

35 Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington

36 Edward III

37 Oliver Cromwell

38 Babur

39Heinrich Himmler

40 Sir Francis Drake

41 John Churchill, Duke of Marlborough

42Philip Sheridan

43 William Wallace 

44George Henry Thomas

45Ahuitzotl

46 Jebe

47 William Pitt the elder

48 King Alfred the Great

49 Nizam-ul-Mulk

50 George Washington

51 William the Conqueror

52 Richard I

53 Omar Nelson Bradley

54 Horatio Nelson

55 Francisco Pizarro

56 Charles Martel

57 Ramses II

58 Trajan

59 Tamerlane

60 Shaka Zulu

61 Saladin

62 Hammurabi

63. Robert Clive

64 Epaminondas

65 Georgi Konstantinovich Zhukov

66Joseph Goebbels

67Robert Guiscard

68 Chester W. Nimitz

69 Gustavus Adolphus

70Pyotr Bagration

71 Isoroku Yamamoto

72Bohdan Khmelnytsky

73 Khalif Umar

74 John Paul Jones

75 Isabel the Catholic

76 William T. Sherman

77Matthew Ridgway

78 Ulysses S. Grant

79 Publius Cornelius Scipio

80Paul Emil von Lettow-Vorbeck

81Flavius Stilicho

82 Hernán Cortés

83Charles XII

84Robert the Bruce

85Frederick II of Prussia

86Maurice, comte de Saxe

87 john bell hood

88Reinhard Heydrich

89Philip II of Macedon

90  Henry V

91 Bernard Law Montgomery

92Joseph Mengele

93Piet Joubert

94Josef Kramer

95 Douglas MacArthur

96William T. Sherman

97Christiaan de Wet

98 Nathanael Greene

99Dwight D. Eisenhower

100 Henry Lee III

101Jan Smuts

102Koos de la Rey

103Alexander Nevsky

104 Odilo Globocnik

105Yusuf ibn Tashfin

106Hou Junji

107 Adolf Eichmann

108Ernst Kaltenbrunner

109Oskar Dirlewanger

110 Sam Houston

111Cetshwayo kaMpande

112Ntshingwayo Khoza

113Dabulamanzi kaMpande

114Sir Henry Bartle Frere

115Lord Chelmsford

116Garnet Wolseley

117 Napoleon III

118Maximilian I of Mexico

119Venancio Puz

120George M. Flournoy

121 José Crescencio Poot

122 Godfrey of Bouillon

123 Raymond IV, Count of Toulouse

124 Stephen II of Blois

125Baldwin of Boulogne

126Eustace III of Boulogne

127Robert II of Flanders

128Adhemar of Le Puy

129Hugh I of Vermandois

130Robert II of Normandy

131Bohemond of Taranto

132Tancred of Taranto

133Alexios I Komnenos

134Tatikios

135Manuel Boutoumites

136Guglielmo Embriaco

137Constantine I

138Ghazi ibn Danishmend

139Iftikhar ad-Daula

140Al-Afdal Shahanshah

141Conrad III of Germany

142Henry II of Jerusalem

143Amalric of Tyre

144Al-Ashraf Khalil

145 Henry II the Pious

146Baidar

147 Kadan,

148Orda Khan

149 Peter II of Aragon

150Mathurin Romegas

151Jean Parisot de la Valette

152Jean de la Cassière

153Turgut Reis

154Gaspard de Vallier

155Piyale Pasha

156 Lala Kara Mustafa Pasha

157Suluc Mehmed Pasha

158Agostino Barbarigo

159 Álvaro de Bazán

160Gianandrea Doria

161Marcantonio Colonna

162Sebastiano Venier

163John of Austria

164Müezzinzade Ali Pasha

165 Garnier de Nablus

166Philippe Villiers de L'Isle-Adam

167Suleiman the Magnificent

168Mustafa Pasha

169 Kurtoğlu Muslihiddin Reis

170 Sinan Pasha

172Robert de Sablé

173Guy of Lusignan

174Hugh III, Duke of Burgundy

175 Saladin

176Akhtar Mohammad Osmani

177Mikhail Malofeyev

178William F. Garrison

179Mickey Marcus

180Yaakov Dori

181Yigael Yadin

182Fawzi al-Qawuqji

183Major General Ariel Sharon

184Uzi Narkiss

185Mordechai Gur

186Israel Tal

187Haim Bar-Lev

188Benjamin "Benny" Peled

189Trtsus

190Cyaxares the Great

191Demophilus

192Hegesandridas

193Dionysius I

194Marcus Furius Camillus

195Nero Claudius Drusus Germanicus

196 Cao Cao

197Honorius

198Ambrosius Aurelianus

199King Arthur

200Odo the Great

201Abd er Rahman

202Harald Hardrada

203Harold II

204John James Peck

205 James longstreet

206 John O'Neill

207Sitting Bull

208Crazy Horse

209George A. Custer 

210 Nelson Appleton Miles

211Theodore Roosevelt

212 William Rufus Shafter

213George Dewey

214William Thomas Sampson

215Wesley Merritt

216Joseph Wheeler

217 Patricio Montojo

218 Ramón Blanco y Erenas

219Antero Rubín Homent

220Don Valeriano Weyler y Nicolau

221Stephen Decatur

222Andrew Jackson

223Albert Sidney Johnston

224P. G. T. Beauregard,

225Braxton Bragg

226Leonidas Polk

227John Reynolds

228John Hunt Morgan

229Hermann von François

230Albrecht, Duke of Württemberg

231Marshal Joseph Jacques Césaire Joffre

232Charles Lanrezac

233Karl von Bülow

234Max Hoffmann

235Horace Lockwood Smith-Dorrien

236Alexander von Kluck

237Nikolay Iudovich Ivanov

238Nikolai Ruzsky

239 Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin

240Marshal Edward Rydz-Śmigły

241Semyon Mikhailovich Budyonny

242Charles George Gordon

243Field Marshal Horatio Herbert Kitchener

244The Lord Keyes

245The Earl of Ypres

246Adna Romanza Chaffee

247Baron Fukushima Yasumasa

248Radko Dimitriev

249Marshal Ferdinand Foch

250Karl von Müller

251Maximilian von Spee

252Radomir Putnik

253Živojin Mišić

254 Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck

255The Earl Kitchener

256Sir Ian Standish Monteith Hamilton

257Marquis Togo Heihachiro Saneyoshi

258Yellow Emperor

258Sargon the Great

259 Necho II

260Troilus

261Nabopolassar

262Nebuchadnezzar II

263Narses

264Gustav Horn af Björneborg

265Johan Banér

266Lennart Torstensson

267Fernando de Sottomayor

268Antonio de Oquendo

269Michiel Adriaenszoon de Ruyter

270George Monck, 1st Duke of Albemarle

271Willem Joseph baron van Ghent tot Drakenburgh

273Stephen Decatur, Jr

274 Philip Broke

275 James Lawrence

276Oliver Hazard Perry

277Alexander Macomb

278Louis-Joseph de Montcalm-Gozon

279François-Marie Le Marchand de Lignery

280James Grant

281marquis de La Fayette

282William Howe

283Anthony Wayne

284James Wolfe

285Louis-Joseph de Montcalm-Gozon
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286Ferdinand, Prince of Brunswick-Lüneburg

287Edward Boscawen

288Edward Boscawen

289William F. Dean

290Matthew Calbraith Butler

291Matthew Calbraith Butler

292Oliver P. Smith

293Walton Walker

294Jubal Anderson Early

295Ambrose Powell Hill, Jr.

296Winfield Scott Hancock

297William Barret Travis

298James "Jim" Bowie

299Antonio López de Santa Anna

300Joseph Eggleston Johnston

 

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The bigger question is, why on earth is Alexander on the list (seriously his tactical skills is like a child compared to all others), let alone second place.
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Originally posted by AlphaS520 AlphaS520 wrote:

So ridiculous?
Cao Cao knows of ambushes, he knows of feints, he knows how to use decoy and deception, he knows how to maneuver, he knows how to interact physically (such as leaving a pile of gold behind his fleeing soldiers, hoping some of the enemy will stop and pick them up) etc All this, every single general of the Three Kingdom knows, and so does Sun Tzu, all this, Alexander nor Hannibal, Napoleon Bonaparte nor Frederik, Clausewitz nor Caesar, they know nothing.
The only problem with Sun Tzu was that he beheaded the 2 favorite queens for not following orders, but that was more of a benefit because he got the soldiers' (consorts) attention while they laughed the first 2 orders.
 
My Problem with Cao Cao is that although he was rid of the other Warlords, except for the Sun clan of Wu, when he attacked the alliance of Liu Bei (who was already defeated), Lu Su, Zhou Yu, Zhuge Liang, and Sun Quan, he never won a single battle. He was pushed away towards Jing Province.
 
But I understand where Aisin Gioro Nurhaci's position because he was more of a leader of the manch people, and he started the Qing Empire.
 
My question is, why is Kangxi even on the list? He was no general, he was more of a Scholar and the second of the Da Qing. Why isn't Qianlong on the list? He captured Burma, Anam, and Siam, so they would pay tribute for them not to be conquered.
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So ridiculous?
Cao Cao knows of ambushes, he knows of feints, he knows how to use decoy and deception, he knows how to maneuver, he knows how to interact physically (such as leaving a pile of gold behind his fleeing soldiers, hoping some of the enemy will stop and pick them up) etc All this, every single general of the Three Kingdom knows, and so does Sun Tzu, all this, Alexander nor Hannibal, Napoleon Bonaparte nor Frederik, Clausewitz nor Caesar, they know nothing.
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Ok, I can agree on Cao Cao's and Aisin  Gioro Nurhaci's positions, but Sun Tzu that low??? I guess some of his techniques were a little controversial.LOL
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May I ask why Alexander III of Macedon was number 2 on the list?
What exactly is his greatest tactical or strategic achievement, that actually deserves the great?
Temujin, obviously deserves the title Universal Ruler, but Alexander?
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Kudos on including Takeda Shingen. He's usually overlooked whenever lists like this are thrown together.Smile
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Hello to you all
 
I tend to agree with respect to Rommel. His management of the North Africa campaign was brilliant but was not enough to make him higher on the list. Good tactician yes but a fine strategist? I don't think so 
 
What about Yudenich, did you check him out?
 
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As already stated a lot of the Prussian losses were from commands not under Fredericks control.  The number of commands that were effectively destroyed during the seven years war is quiet high.  It was unfortunate that Prussia had only a few good generals.  Most of whom were with Frederick.  Yes he had a few large defeats, yet he was always still able to manouver his force out of the situation.  Often in doing so he also turned the tables on his opponants. 
 
And if Rommel is to be hampered by only fighting in a short campaign then so should Alexander.  He only fought against the Persians and a few Indian princedoms.  Yet he is accepted as one of the best commanders in history.  You can not say that because a commander fought in only a few battles that his skill is suspect.  Rommel showed himself to be one of the best tactical commanders in WW2.  I would say second only to Mannstien on that front.  Which means that he should be at least in the top 100.  But as I said, his lack of statagic knowledge has to keep him in the lower end, about 80-85.   


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Originally posted by warwolf1969 warwolf1969 wrote:

Rommel should higher, for the simple fact that is was one of the best tactical commanders of WW2.  He should at least be in the top 100.  But I will not argue higher than about 80. 
 
Frederick the Great should be higher.  Again he was the best tactical commander of his age.  His tactical skill was recognised, and copied, by Napoleon.  He managed to hold off three of the biggest powers in the world at that time, for seven years. Yes he was saved by the Miracle of Brandenburg, but that only came as a result of his country running out of troops.  The early campaigns were tactically, and stratagically brilliant.


Rommel seems to be the most-debated general on this list.  He commanded in a minor theater, was hamstrung logistically, and managed to do quite well.  But is that enough to make this list?  One very good campaign?  That's rather a small sample.

Frederick, I think, is overrated as a tactician.  He perpetually took tremendous losses in battles, which is WHY his country was running out of troops.  Couldn't he have held off the foes without tremendous losses?  It's not like he was facing tremendous generals for the opponents.
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Rommel should higher, for the simple fact that is was one of the best tactical commanders of WW2.  He should at least be in the top 100.  But I will not argue higher than about 80. 
 
Frederick the Great should be higher.  Again he was the best tactical commander of his age.  His tactical skill was recognised, and copied, by Napoleon.  He managed to hold off three of the biggest powers in the world at that time, for seven years. Yes he was saved by the Miracle of Brandenburg, but that only came as a result of his country running out of troops.  The early campaigns were tactically, and stratagically brilliant.
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Poor Winfield Scott, it was not only his master strategy plan early in 1861 that actually won the war, but also his conversion of Washington DC as a pivotal redoubt that actually frustrated any Southern strategy Northward.


Which is why he is 53rd.  That and his masterful invasion of Mexico.
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