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    Posted: 14 Sep 2012 at 14:45
Not fascist but definitely the most militarist:

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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

I don' think this was Pinguin's intent. Perhaps he could take out any reference to "fascist" and replace it with "Patriotic" in order to more accurately reflect his point?


I lived under the military dictatorship of Pinochet. For me, there is no difference between "National security", "fascism", "nazism" or "patriotism". If you go to the extreme, all of them are form of militarism, and love of guns.


Exactly. Those who think there's a clear distinction just didn't lived in a fascism or themselves are fascists. Because fascists tend to disguise themselves as "patriots", all of us know that Wink


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The best IMO:  Cara Al Sol by Spanish fascist Jose Antonio Primo De Rivera.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQcSTGz3XyY
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"ANTHEM OF THE FREE COUNTRY "/"ГИМН СВОБОДНОЙ СТРАНЫ":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFxrot-MGt0

The Anthem should correspond to the epoch, reflecting both advantages of the state (country), and the historical processes occurring and occurring in it, it, a hymn, the internal maintenance both musical, and poetic, is free to breathe freedom and to inspire people for a fulfillment both spiritually-moral acts, and great causes and victories.

"The Anthem of the Free Country" - a Anthem which, undoubtedly, will enter into life of any state or the country and will make happy those people who live in it.


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My unit in Vietnam had its own songs, all with a touch of ironic humor. One, sung to the tune of jingle bells, was simply entitled: "Rat Atat Tat" (bis - mow those bastards down. Oh what fun, it is to have, the MIKE Force back in town...)< Another was "Marching to Cambodia". Another "My mother's a Montagnard Sergeant" (my father's an LLDB (Viet Special Forces), and every night at midnight, they turn into hard core VC...). But the all time hands down favorite was "Mary Ann Barnes", which we had thought was written by a member whose nickname was 'Superjew', but it may have been an old rugby song. It was juvenile, irreverent, and lustily sung whenever we were in from the bush. Certainly misogynistic, and perhaps fascist in spirit. "Burn that village down" was certainly fascist in content, though meant to be humorous (responding to the popular anti-war image of the Army in Vietnam, and not celebrating any reality.)

Mary Ann Barnes is the queen of all the acrobats, she can do the tricks, that'll give the guys the sh*ts.
She can shoot green pees from her fundamental orifice, do a triple somersault, and catch 'em on her t*ts.
She's a great big sonufabitch, twice as big as me, got hair on her a** like the branches of a tree.
She can shoot, ride, fight, f*ck, fly a plane, drive a truck, she's the kind of girl that's gonna marry me.
She's Special Forces, Ranger, Airborne Infanteeeee, and MIKE Force too!

Hardly Le boudin, but we liked it.  We also had one entitled "Jesus Saves his money at the Chase Manhattan bank," which was usually heard if there was a chaplain about. 




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Just imagine how "fascistic" Waltzing Matilda really is and in this respect one can hardly ignore Dixie or its counterpart Onward Christian Soldiers.
 
What then to make of this this little tune:
 
 
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Oh well in that case, my apologies to G.
 
No need to apologise - you're expressing something of the same feeling that I am.
 
It's songs that give you something personal to fight for that inspire men to fight. And only rarely is that the country itself, as opposed to all the domestic and homespun ambitions of the average soldier. (I have incidentally conscript armies in mind, I guess: it may be different for professionals and mercenaries.)
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Certainly. I opened this thread to talk about military tunes that have the purpose of prepare people to fight, rather than songs that talks about the beauty of our countries.

It is known music can encourage fighting, and that was the type of songs I wanted to see here.
But it appears to be songs of homesickness and missing loves and hopes of peace that encourage people to fight, not the officially designated 'patriotic' songs.
 
The question is whether 'patriotic' songs like Rule Britannia actually boost morale, as opposed to the kond of songs soldiers actually sing. There'll be bluebirds over, the white cliffs of Dover... probably did boost morale, and were certainly sung by both civilians and the forces, but the words aren't inflammatory and don't directly incite fighting.
 
For that matter even a song like Deutschland über alles doesn't call for fighting in its lyrics, even in the verses that have now ben officially discarded.  
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Well I thought you think to patriotic songs. Im not going to propagate fascist march songs.
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Oh well in that case, my apologies to G.
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Certainly. I opened this thread to talk about military tunes that have the purpose of prepare people to fight, rather than songs that talks about the beauty of our countries.

It is known music can encourage fighting, and that was the type of songs I wanted to see here.


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Isn't it obvious? Patriotic songs are for inspiring the general public whereas soldier's songs are sung by soldiers and can take any tone or theme to ease their hardship.
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I'm still interested on the difference between 'patriotic' songs and the songs soldiers actually sing.
 
The mind somewhat boggles at the idea that guardsmen would actially voluntariy sing 'Some talk of Alexander, and some of Hercules, of Hector and Lysander, and such great names as these', whereas the British army at least has happily sung 'Bless all the sergeants and WO1s, bless all the corporals and their ---ing sons, Cos we're saying goodby to them all..."
 
And it's worth remembering that the song most sung by both sides in ww2, at least in the West, was the same, whether it was set undeneath the lamplight, by the barrack gate,. or vor der Kaserne, vor dem grosse Tor.
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The Bretons also have bagpipes. A long time ago i saw a display at a castle in northern France. Some of the pipers even wore kilts
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More than a few centuries. In the Middle Ages there were bagpipes in several places in Europe, as the illustrations that remains show. Celts had bagpipes by the Roman times, at least. You can find bagpipes among the descendents of Celts, like the Irish, Scots and Gallicians.
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Bagpipes originate in the middle east and were adopted in Scotland and Ireland only a few centuries ago, which isn't long given how old the instrument actually is.
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Yes. Beautiful Scotish music!!!
You won't believe me, but it also emotiones me! It make my hair get straight! And only by the music itself, given I have no idea about the cultural background of that beautiful pipe music..


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Definitely not fascist, I have to object to the association made by Pinguin.

Anyway. This has to be the best.  Never fails to raise the hackles when the drums kick in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSH0eRKq1lE

This one reminds me of my dad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNpipn94t58&feature=related




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My favourite peshmerga song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT36CoZkuc


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In the case of my country, we try to get along well with our neighbours, but it is not easy. Remember that in the 70s we almost went to war against Peru, and in 1978 we had at the edge of a war against Argentina.
Today we have problems with Peru once again, with the flood of immigrants we receive from there, with the artificial conflict they created with the sea limits, and now with the election of the militaristic Ollanta Humala. We also have conflicts with Bolivia, a country that receive a large number of the cars stolen in Chile and that ship us drugs by the ton.
With Argentina things go fine now, but perhaps the only reason is that Chile has now a better air force than them.

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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

I don' think this was Pinguin's intent. Perhaps he could take out any reference to "fascist" and replace it with "Patriotic" in order to more accurately reflect his point?


I lived under the military dictatorship of Pinochet. For me, there is no difference between "National security", "fascism", "nazism" or "patriotism". If you go to the extreme, all of them are form of militarism, and love of guns.


Fascism and patriotism, i think, are very distinctly different  from one another. The former plays on any recognizable fears while the latter simply promotes love of country. Though i can understand how easy it is for others in confusing the two. In a way, what you seem to be saying is that you and your country are fascist & promote fascism more so than just the simple love of your country. So in essence, nothing much has been learned form the Pinochet years and the same process is there, set up to repeat itself at some future point in time, would that be correct assessment?

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In the case of our "patriotic" songs, I love them. Having lunatic neighbours like the Argentinean, Peruvian and Bolivians, our country has survived as a different entity only on the will of its people and army. That's why I love the "song of Yungay" ... that talks about our military victories against our enemies (I mean, neighbours). But those songs came from a pre-Pinochet era, when every single Chilean was a soldier, as it should be.


I really don't mean to sound condescending, but what is it with the attitudes in South America? Is dialogue with other neighboring nationalities really that hard? Are compromises really that impossible? Do Chileans always have to have one finger on the trigger when dealing with the feared outsiders? On second thought, i am starting too think my assessment from above may be more regretfully correct than i had previously thought, unfortunately.
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

---Is what the Penguin is saying any more valid than a condemnation of Wagner because a certain Hitler was fascinated by his music?


Sorry doc, but Wagner was a proto-Nazi, in the same way Nietzche was another kind of fanatic. It is not coincidence that the German troops carried the "Thus spoke Zaratustra" in theis backpacks, and that German generals listened to every representation of Wagner's operas they could.
I wonder if the mystic of Nazism would have ever developed without Wagner, Nietzche, Darwin and Spencer.


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By the way, this is our navy's military march, a beautiful song that talks about the life of a sailor in a navy.




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Originally posted by Flipper Flipper wrote:

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Pinguin, I would rather call those Patriotic songs, not fascist. Fascist would maybe be songs that hail the army or that express negativity against others or that express the idea you are the most superior of all while the other nations suck.

I guess there is a line there...


Well, the Chilean people traditionally felt part of the army, and really considered that our neighbours suck Confused... That's the way we see it. And you guys make me believe our national identity is a sort of a curiousity at international level these days. Chileans feel surrounded by lunatics, something like the Israeli army in the Middle East. And, in fact, our country keeps ready to strike continuosly, independiente of the government on power.
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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

I don' think this was Pinguin's intent. Perhaps he could take out any reference to "fascist" and replace it with "Patriotic" in order to more accurately reflect his point?


I lived under the military dictatorship of Pinochet. For me, there is no difference between "National security", "fascism", "nazism" or "patriotism". If you go to the extreme, all of them are form of militarism, and love of guns.

In the case of our "patriotic" songs, I love them. Having lunatic neighbours like the Argentinean, Peruvian and Bolivians, our country has survived as a different entity only on the will of its people and army. That's why I love the "song of Yungay" ... that talks about our military victories against our enemies (I mean, neighbours). But those songs came from a pre-Pinochet era, when every single Chilean was a soldier, as it should be.


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I'm trying to recollect some typical patriotic Swedish songs, but I'm not succeeding.  The Royal Anthem is, well, a royalist rather than patriotic song and the national anthem isn't very patriotic, it's more of a homage. 



Closest would be military marches I guess. Youtubing I found some examples:


This was a funny version... same as above, but with a twist :)


I don't think we have anything that could be classified as positively patriotic though - and if we do, it's certainly not sung anymore.


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Originally posted by Parnell Parnell wrote:

Irish 'struggle' songs tend to have a lively beat, and tend to revolve around a brave young man with a beautiful girlfriend who is cruelly and murderously treated by subhuman British monsters.
And then there are the others that exaggerate the situation  Smile
 
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Originally posted by Nick1986 Nick1986 wrote:

Patriotism is often used by fascists to gain popular support. Take this song, for example. At first it seems to celebrate the beauty of nature, but listen closely and you can hear the Nazis' plans for world domination: "The morning will come when the world is mine"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs5bnVoZK4Q
 
But it wasn't used by the Nazis. It wasn't written until the mid-sixties when Fred Ebbs wrote it for Cabaret. It satirises the Nazi movement rather than lauding it.
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I'm not that familiar with Irish history but i think there's a song that compares the Tans to the Germans
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Irish 'struggle' songs tend to have a lively beat, and tend to revolve around a brave young man with a beautiful girlfriend who is cruelly and murderously treated by subhuman British monsters.

Then there are others which simply reiterate 'UP THE 'RA!' every few seconds.
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