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    Posted: 15 Mar 2017 at 21:54
This thread is for discussing President Trump and his domestic affect.
I like including the word "arena" because Trump is definitely
scrappy and belligerent.  I don't think Trump will ever
entirely be "domesticated," he is not a very "civil" person.
But by domestic, I mean events that happen within
the United States, its political system, and to a lesser
extent its cultural influence.  I would include the
"economic" realm in this category for now.

President Trump seems to have been accompanied by an upturn 
in the market, to me this is not surprising because President
Obama berated Wall Street, businesses and investors using
the bully pulpit of the Presidency.  Statistics show that the
economy improved after the recession during President Obama's 
 term, but it seems to me that improvements were muted due to
Obama's rhetoric against business.  Business in general is fairly
conservative (risk adverse) and feeling attacked by Obama, was
even more conservative in its actions.  The perception is that
with Donald Trump, business has a friend in the White House,
or at least not a radical that has an axe to grind.  Therefore, there
has been a bit of an economic upswing, at least public perceptionwise.
whether it is sustainable, or a bubble remains to be seen.  
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Amid all of Trumps erratic behaviour, it seems that the American economy has taken an upturn.

Who would have believed it?
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Amid all of Trumps erratic behaviour, it seems that the American economy has taken an upturn.

Who would have believed it?

Are you kidding?Cool 
Only teen actresses would rather have Hillary than a strong economy. Who would have believed it? 
Only the people who voted for him. 
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

This thread is for discussing President Trump and his domestic affect.
I like including the word "arena" because Trump is definitely
scrappy and belligerent.  I don't think Trump will ever
entirely be "domesticated," he is not a very "civil" person.
But by domestic, I mean events that happen within
the United States, its political system, and to a lesser
extent its cultural influence.  I would include the
"economic" realm in this category for now.

President Trump seems to have been accompanied by an upturn 
in the market, to me this is not surprising because President
Obama berated Wall Street, businesses and investors using
the bully pulpit of the Presidency.  Statistics show that the
economy improved after the recession during President Obama's 
 term, but it seems to me that improvements were muted due to
Obama's rhetoric against business.  Business in general is fairly
conservative (risk adverse) and feeling attacked by Obama, was
even more conservative in its actions.  The perception is that
with Donald Trump, business has a friend in the White House,
or at least not a radical that has an axe to grind.  Therefore, there
has been a bit of an economic upswing, at least public perceptionwise.
whether it is sustainable, or a bubble remains to be seen.  

You have said Trump doesn't have a mandate because Hillary won the popular vote. 

According to this National Review article there are three kinds of mandates;
1. Trump was legitimately elected and our election process is understood by both sides.
The fact that Trump did not win the national popular vote is irrelevant to his executive mandate — and not all that unusual in our system of government, either. Depending on how you count it, we’ve had either four or five prior presidents who did not win the national popular vote, and while that was a modest initial political liability for those presidents, their later success stood or fell on what they did with the office if they were able to win the Electoral College cleanly. 
JFK lost the popular vote.
2.A second kind of mandate is a voting-coalition mandate:
No other president would be expected to do something different from the very things that got him elected!
3.A legislative mandate 
Trump pushes a Republican agenda on jobs and infrastructure, which congressional democrats are going to oppose him?



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Fair comment Vanuatu.

IF Trump brings about beneficial change to the USA, good. But there needs, as I see it, to be more depth to his policies. He needs to display leadership which, IMHO, he hasn't to date.

And having a senior member of his administration consistently "explaining" what the President really meant is certainly not a good look.

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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Fair comment Vanuatu.

IF Trump brings about beneficial change to the USA, good. But there needs, as I see it, to be more depth to his policies. He needs to display leadership which, IMHO, he hasn't to date.

And having a senior member of his administration consistently "explaining" what the President really meant is certainly not a good look.


toymotor, there is depth to his policies. he smart enough to find smart people. If you select one policy in particular we can dissect it and bask in the depth. And presidents always have press secretaries explaining things. You know that, Spicer is just another spin guy. 
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Vanuatu I think I'll bow out of this conversation before I get a bleeding nose, or a black eye.

IMHO, Trumps public persona is that of a loud mouthed bully, who blames everyone else for things that go wrong.

I know you won't agree, but that's your prerogative.


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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Vanuatu I think I'll bow out of this conversation before I get a bleeding nose, or a black eye.

IMHO, Trumps public persona is that of a loud mouthed bully, who blames everyone else for things that go wrong.

I know you won't agree, but that's your prerogative.



He very well may be. That does not mean he won't be a better president than Obama. I'll have my opinions and you will have yours but Trump is much more like an 'average' American than you may be willing to accept.
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 I'll have my opinions and you will have yours but Trump is much more like an 'average' 
American than you may be willing to accept.

Gee, I hope he doesn't personify the average American. I have an American cousin, whom I consider
 to be an average Joe, and he's nothing like Trump.

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Yep, another good look as Trump refuses to shake hands with Angela Merkel during a White House photo op. She even asked hms to shake hands at one stage, but he sat there with the usual sulky look on his face.

I got into an argument about him recently, someone said that Trump isn't a presidents arse, I argued that he is.
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Unfortunately, your post was received as lines of arkward code. Code you please send again.
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I reject your assessment.

Trump, by his behaviour, doesn't inspire much confidence in his ability to lead the western worlds greatest country.

Never have I witnessed such crap coming from the mouth of an American preident, and continually having his press aide explain what he really means, is further indication of the mess that he's creating amongst his own administration.

I'm not looking for unrealistic behaviour and/or outcomes, just normalcy in the American leadership.

Have a go at me all you like, BUT, prove me wrong!

And if you wish to engage me in a name calling competition, forget it.You're not worth the effort.




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They're links to several hand shakes they had during that meeting. If your media sources said they did not shake hands they're "fake news."

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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

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I reject your assessment.

Trump, by his behaviour, doesn't inspire much confidence in his ability to lead the western worlds greatest country.

Never have I witnessed such crap coming from the mouth of an American preident, and continually having his press aide explain what he really means, is further indication of the mess that he's creating amongst his own administration.

I'm not looking for unrealistic behaviour and/or outcomes, just normalcy in the American leadership.

Have a go at me all you like, BUT, prove me wrong!

And if you wish to engage me in a name calling competition, forget it.You're not worth the effort.


I never witnessed more disturbing crap from an elected official than from Obama's regime. Passing healthcare because they could count on the stupidity of the american voter! That's Gruber Obama's boy.  
One man's normalcy is another's insanity. Obama was normal? What does that mean? He fired all of the Bush appointees. Most presidents do want their own people somehow you believe this to be an aberration. When Trump said the election would be hacked the media said he's insane, then when Hillary lost it was the Russians hacking! 

You make claims about Obama being the "last of the great men" "great diplomat" none of which you can substantiate. 
You prove that Obama's press secretary didn't stand there day after day explaining Obama's crap.
Obama was overturned by the Federal Court more times than any other president, and he is a constitutional lawyer. I don't know your cousin but yea, I've never known an average person like Obama the elitist Manchurian candidate, now living with his mentor Valerie Jarret.

Trump, however could sit next to someone at a ball game, talk sports and be a "normal" guy. For all his money and notoriety he still does connect with working class people. 

I would never relate to a man who says things like this;

#1. "We Do Not Consider Ourselves A Christian Nation" - [Source]
#2. “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation” - [Source]
#3. “The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam” - [Source]
#4. “The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer” - [Source]
#5. “I also know that Islam has always been a part of America’s story.” - [Source]
#6. “I made clear that America is not – and never will be – at war with Islam.” - [Source]
#7. “Islam has always been part of America” - [Source]
#8. “Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance.” - [Source]
#9. “As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam.” - [Source]
#10. “Throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.” - [Source]
#11. “we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities” - [Source]

No love lost for religion on my part but this country -as we know it- was founded by christians not jihadis.

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President Trump failed to close the deal for Republican health care, he blames the democrats, but in reality, the Republicans were split on what they wanted (and didn't want), with little overall conception of what they were positively trying for.  The "freedom caucus" was the big hold outs, calling the plan Obamacare lite, but more moderate republican senators in left leaning districts also did not necessarily want to go along with it either.  Donald 'predicts' that the affordable healthcare act will implode by the end of the year, and that the democrats will come crawling back at that time (or something like that).

I am conservative in that I hate change, and I hate changing to Obama care, where I initially lost my insurance and my doctor, but darn it, I hate the idea of changing again.  I am not convinced that they have built a better "mousetrap."
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Now, what we just witnessed with this healthcare- replace- Obamacare mess was orchestrated entirely.
Trump has to save face with voters and so do democrats, lets make a deal. Trump 'tried' he didn't look too disappointed. 

Republicans 'tried' but now they are sooo enthusiastic about the next bill. 
Democrats were appalled but now they have great ideas to bring to the table.


So everyone wins, the politicians can still put their show on for the respective base support and most importantly that piece of crap legislation (never meant to pass) is history. I don't think most of us care what it's called, so it will be a new and improved version of Obamacare. No one cares what it's called except the pundits.
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If they (the Republicans) had gotten this new healthcare bill, then they would have been in a better place for tax reform.  So no, not everyone wins, this is defeat for the Whitehouse, and for House majority leader Ryan and the mainstream Republicans.  The funny thing is that Bannon was trying to whip up support, but he was the one who, when he was at Brightbart news, was whipping up the Freedom caucus into a frenzy versus the Republican 'establishment.'  He was part of what lead to House majority leader, Bohner's decision to bow out.

It was pretty clear that the Republicans did not have a concrete idea of what they were planning to achieve.  President Trump seems to think that Obamacare will self-destruct (which it might), and that the democrats will come crawling to him afterwards, (not very likely).
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

If they (the Republicans) had gotten this new healthcare bill, then they would have been in a better place for tax reform.  So no, not everyone wins, this is defeat for the Whitehouse, and for House majority leader Ryan and the mainstream Republicans.

Right franciscosan, democrats were going to hand over tax reform if the republicans overturned O -care. In what dimension? R's would have been steered into failure on the tax reform issue and anything else if O-Care was scratched. Trump said all along and so has (D) Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, who is working on reforming ACA;
 Zeke Emanuel, who worked as one of President Obama’s health care advisers, says the administration tilted the playing field too far in favor of the sick and elderly, making it difficult for young people to sign up. He says the administration should have let insurers charge older people more, perhaps four times as much as the youngest consumers.

“We made the wrong trade-off,” he says. “The consequence is costs for old people are higher because we don’t have enough young people in the pool.”

Do you want to pay for coverage that includes lactation devices? I don't want to buy coverage for prostate exams! Tax reform for business is what Trump is after but you are staring at the shiny thing in the corner, enlightened One. Rolling eyes *it's a given that the tax payer won't be winning*
Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

 The funny thing is that Bannon was trying to whip up support, but he was the one who, when he was at Brightbart news, was whipping up the Freedom caucus into a frenzy versus the Republican 'establishment.'  He was part of what lead to House majority leader, Bohner's decision to bow out.
Yes, isn't that a funny thing about Bannon? It is the appearance of keeping the campaign promise Trump made to get elected. The Freedom Caucus is the non liberal reason for Trump to change anything about his agenda and still appear to be 'with the people.'  
Can't comment on John "cry me a river" Bohner, just know I'm glad I don't have to watch him weeping on tv anymore.

Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

It was pretty clear that the Republicans did not have a concrete idea of what they were planning to achieve.  President Trump seems to think that Obamacare will self-destruct (which it might), and that the democrats will come crawling to him afterwards, (not very likely).
Six years and House Speaker Paul Ryan has an inadequate proposal that would have been even worse than O-Care.
Doesn't that sound like BS?
The premium hikes scheduled for 2017 will come to pass. Democrats won't be seen to crawl but they will deal with Trump on tax reform bc it's we the people who will pay for their conspiracies. Congress already has a great healthcare plan.


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You miss, misunderstand me:P  Tax reform would have been easier with the proposed healthcare since spending would be less, if spending is less, then there is more room to maneuver for cutting taxes.  That does not mean that democrats would be more cooperative.  
Of course, Congressional healthcare is good, they have good representation.
Yes, the idea in the "Affordable Care Act" was that the young and healthy would pay for the old and sick.  And yes, it is a matter of robbing Peter to pay Paul.  If you are healthy for now, why pay now when you can wait until you develop a pre-existing condition, which cannot be excluded?  Of course you have to pay a "tax" to do so, but for many it is worth it.  I am not saying that the "Affordable Care Act" works that well, I just don't have much confidence that anything better is around the corner, no matter what bunkus that that "businessman" in the Whitehouse is trying to sell.  Mr Trump is selling the hot fudge Sundae diet, you eat two Sundaes everyday, and you loose 5 pounds per week.  It is a great pipe dream.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

You miss, misunderstand me:P  Tax reform would have been easier with the proposed healthcare since spending would be less, if spending is less, then there is more room to maneuver for cutting taxes.  That does not mean that democrats would be more cooperative.
I heard a couple of comments like that from D's & R's and I hope they get off Opioids before it ruins their lives. Extra money floating around in Washington, Dorothy?

Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Of course, Congressional healthcare is good, they have good representation.
Yes, the idea in the "Affordable Care Act" was that the young and healthy would pay for the old and sick.  And yes, it is a matter of robbing Peter to pay Paul.  If you are healthy for now, why pay now when you can wait until you develop a pre-existing condition, which cannot be excluded?  Of course you have to pay a "tax" to do so, but for many it is worth it.  I am not saying that the "Affordable Care Act" works that well, I just don't have much confidence that anything better is around the corner, no matter what bunkus that that "businessman" in the Whitehouse is trying to sell.  Mr Trump is selling the hot fudge Sundae diet, you eat two Sundaes everyday, and you loose 5 pounds per week.  It is a great pipe dream.


 

I would throw in with business minded people on healthcare before I'd trust any politician. In fact leave the health care to doctors and let insurance companies compete for healthcare coverage. 

I realize you are not promoting the current system. My point is that Trump has democrat Zeke Emanuel on board for a reason and it's not so that he can make Obama care go away. Emanuel is like a prisoner exchange, he is insurance that Obama will always get credit for the ACA even though it's going to be gutted and restructured.

Trump isn't selling hot fudge(?) he knows it's not an easy fix and has said as much. Who knows? Someone may even read the reformed version of the ACA before it's passed.




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“From http://www.smh.com.au/world/efforts-of-the-trump-administration-to-thwart-russia-investigation-revealed-20170328-gv8nbh.html

Washington: Late on Monday, Donald Trump was stabbing at his keyboard, tweeting: "Trump Russia story is a hoax."

But on Tuesday, his administration was revealed to be going to extraordinary lengths to thwart the airing of "explosive" evidence before one of several congressional committees investigating charges that the Trump campaign was complicit in Russia's meddling in last year's election.

The disclosure came amid partisan acrimony over accusations that House Intelligence Committee chairman and Trump loyalist Devin Nunes is acting as a human shield, inappropriately sharing classified evidence with the White House - and thereby jeopardising his committee's investigation.

A sheaf of legal letters acquired by The Washington Post reveals the Justice Department has invoked "presidential communications privilege" in a bid to prevent testimony by Sally Yates, an Obama appointee who Trump sacked as acting attorney-general in January.


Yates and former CIA director John Brennan were to appear before the committee on Tuesday - a hearing that Nunes unilaterally cancelled after it became known that Yates and Brennan were likely to challenge White House assertions on events that led to the sacking of Trump national security adviser Mike Flynn, after he was revealed to have lied about the substance of his communications with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak.

Democrats on the committee suspect that, in cancelling the scheduled hearing, Nunes acted at the behest of the White House - to head off the embarrassing implications of invoking executive privilege.

"[Yates] sought permission to testify from the White House. Whether the White House's desire … to keep her from providing the full truth on what happened contributed to the decision to cancel today's hearing, we do not know," said Adam Schiff who serves as the intelligence committee's ranking Democrat. "We would urge that the open hearing be rescheduled without delay and that Ms Yates be permitted to testify freely and openly."

Yates played a pivotal role in Flynn's demise. As acting attorney-general, it fell to her in January to advise the White House that routine surveillance of the ambassador's communications had revealed that Flynn had been lying - and thereby had left himself open to blackmail by Moscow.


Having denied any implication in these reports, if the above is accurate, one must ask, "WHY?" 


This President seems to be lurching from one mess to another.


For the full  report-see link above. 



 



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Weird stuff, Nunes is acting crazy. I don't know if the executive privilege applies, if it does then the White House should have just invoked executive privilege. The House Intelligence Committee is a mess for reason yet to be revealed.
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I think that executive privilege applies only to the president, no?  A lot of smoke, one has wonder if there is a fire smoldering somewhere.  If Donald Trump was a used car salesman, would you buy a car from that man?
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I think that executive privilege applies only to the president, no?  A lot of smoke, one has wonder if there is a fire smoldering somewhere.  If Donald Trump was a used car salesman, would you buy a car from that man?

Not I.
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I've already posted that I don't like Donald Trump or the persona he projects, but I'll try a to be as fair as I can here.

In short, the Trump administration could be described by Paul Hogan as "smelling like a dead dingos donger." In other words, it stinks.

Here we have a novice President who, despite all predictions, has risen to the most powerful position in the western world, having not had a single days political experience. Under these conditions, one would expect him to have surrounded himself with politically savvy people to guide him in the political processes and in determining policies. But, no. Of the normal tens, if not hundreds of positions that need to be filled in his administration, only a handful have been appointed, among them his daughter and son-in-law, both appointed as White House staffers, and who aren't subject to the normally rigorous processes in making these appointments. Neither have a political background.

Rather than act as a President of The United States of America, he seems to think that he has only to speak or issue an Executive Order for things to happen. But that's not the way it is, and he's being shown that now on a fairly frequent basis. His continued use of Twitter to make public announcements, or to criticise opponents smack of a childish form of retribution to the media which does not overtly support him.

His plan to prevent immigration from seven different countries is being resisted through the Supreme Court. His major platform issue of dismantling Obama Care was rejected by his own party. And the building of the southern border wall between Mexico and the USA look as though it may be funded by welfare cuts, at the same time as he's pushing for a fairly major increase in Defence spending.

Appointments to the many and very senior positions in his administration will take months, and during this time he's expected to lurch from one disaster to another.

Trumps outright lies and alternative truths have alienated him from many international politicians who would have been expected to lend him any assistance they could.

His total lack of knowledge of political and international diplomacy is being shown up by such things as his wanting to bill Germany for the US Nato commitment.

Finally, things that he doesn't want to become public knowledge, or have already become public knowledge, to his embarassment, are being hidden by labelling them Executive Priviledge.

Will he see out his first term?


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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I think that executive privilege applies only to the president, no?  A lot of smoke, one has wonder if there is a fire smoldering somewhere.  If Donald Trump was a used car salesman, would you buy a car from that man?

Yates and her lawyer are saying that the Trump administration warned her that her testimony could not include the investigation of Gen Flynn because it took place while she was part of his admin (they deny). 

Yates told the admin that if they didn't hear otherwise they planned to testify to things that would contradict the official WH version of events but didn't get specific. 

Next the House Intel comm cancels the hearing. So, I'm saying why didn't Trump just shut her down? he could have easily.  
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Who is Paul Hogan?  Hulk Hogan's younger cousin?
who is Yates?  Does she have a title or even a first name?

who is Kevin Bacon, an Australian or an American?
It is only after the fact that we know to refer to George W Bush, and George H.W. Bush.


Is the official WH version of events, the official World Historia version of events?

There is a reason why I suggest titles, use of first names and last names, and the use of descriptions, not only is it more respectful, it is more specific, and as time goes on an this thread gets old, people referring back to it are not going to know the players as well as we do.  And "we" don't necessarily know the players that well when we get into foreign individuals, or minor figures in our own government.

One might also want to make a distinction between Donald Trump, the man, the "Donald" as a populist figure, and President Trump the office holder, or Donald Trump the (nepotistic) father and husband.  Or, "Trump" the former presidential candidate.  I also suggest using full titles, not Pres. or Gen. or POTUS.  POTUS sounds like the name of a thrash metal band.
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Quote Who is Paul Hogan?  Hulk Hogan's younger cousin?

Peasant! Paul is a well known Australian comedy actor who has lived and worked in the USA for some years. His special comedic skills normally relate to Australian culture (?).


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One might also want to make a distinction between Donald Trump, the man, the "Donald" as a populist figure, and President Trump the office holder, or Donald Trump the (nepotistic) father and husband.  Or, "Trump" the former presidential candidate.  I also suggest using full titles, not Pres. or Gen. or POTUS.  POTUS sounds like the name of a thrash metal band.

Sounds a trifle sycophantic to me.

As I've already written, Australians lack respect, in the main, for pretentious, attention seeking, maglomaniacal talking heads. Hence, Trump=POTUS.


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I never was a fig plucker or a fig plucker's son,
but I will pluck them figs 'til the fig plucker comes.
(look up the origin of sycophant)

I heard that Trump sold a NY property to a Chinese woman for 16 million
last year it was listed at 7 million.
And a Russian oligarch bought from Trump a property in Florida at 130%
the asking price.
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