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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Who is Paul Hogan?  Hulk Hogan's younger cousin?
who is Yates?  Does she have a title or even a first name?

who is Kevin Bacon, an Australian or an American?
It is only after the fact that we know to refer to George W Bush, and George H.W. Bush.


Is the official WH version of events, the official World Historia version of events?

There is a reason why I suggest titles, use of first names and last names, and the use of descriptions, not only is it more respectful, it is more specific, and as time goes on an this thread gets old, people referring back to it are not going to know the players as well as we do.  And "we" don't necessarily know the players that well when we get into foreign individuals, or minor figures in our own government.

One might also want to make a distinction between Donald Trump, the man, the "Donald" as a populist figure, and President Trump the office holder, or Donald Trump the (nepotistic) father and husband.  Or, "Trump" the former presidential candidate.  I also suggest using full titles, not Pres. or Gen. or POTUS.  POTUS sounds like the name of a thrash metal band.

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Was it, or was it not you who referred to King Alexander of Macedonia as plain Alexander in another thread?

Wasn't this a trifle disrespectful old chap?

Should not King Alexander be referred to as such, so as not to confuse him with Alexander Smith from down the street?

Can't have it both ways, either a person is entitled to the respect of his position or he's not.
(And for the legal definition of terms used in this post, he means she and she means he.)


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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Fair comment Vanuatu.

IF Trump brings about beneficial change to the USA, good. But there needs, as I see it, to be more depth to his policies. He needs to display leadership which, IMHO, he hasn't to date.

And having a senior member of his administration consistently "explaining" what the President really meant is certainly not a good look.

Hi  toyomotor. 
You seem to understand our politics. But explaining is a big part of what the Cabinet does. The president isn't an expert in every field. He lays out a plan and his team executes. If Trump needs his team to clarify,(rather have an ill informed geezer?),  explaining is perfectly acceptable

Just like it was perfectly acceptable for liberals to laugh while former presidential candidate Mitt Romney described Russia as a geopolitical threat. 
Of course Mitt's opponent- Obama, would be equally at ease with the Russians. While dining with Medvedev as 35 Russian spies, living, educated and working in America were rounded up. Obama could see this was to be expected and no threat to the Russia 'reset' (which Hillary misspelled).



House Intelligence Committee ranking Democrat Adam Schiff admitted Sunday on CNN that they’ve still yet to find any “definitive” proof of Trump’s campaign colluding with Russians.  

“I don’t think we can say anything definitively at this point,” Schiff told Jake Tapper. “We are still at the very early stages of the investigation.”

As Pat Buchanan said earlier this week, they’ve been investigating this garbage for eight months.

Schiff continued: “The only thing I can say is that it would be irresponsible for us not to get to the bottom of this. We really need to find out exactly what the Russians did. Because one of the most important conclusions that the intelligence community reached is that they are going to do this again to the United States. They are doing it already in Europe. So we can say conclusively this is something that needs to be thoroughly investigated but it’s way premature to be reaching conclusions.”


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Quote But explaining is a big part of what the Cabinet does. The president isn't an expert in every field. He lays out a plan and his team executes. If Trump needs his team to clarify,(rather have an ill informed geezer?),  explaining is perfectly acceptable

Dear lady, I agree. But wouldn't it be better if the Secretary in charge of the relevant department explained the policies on behalf of the President, rather than a Press Secretary who by now is severely lacking credibility.

If there is a need for the Press Secretary to continually explain what the President really means, perhaps the President should keep his mouth shut until such times as he has obtained the appropriate advice and is in a position to make authoratative comments.

So far he's been over enthusiastic with the quantity of announcements, not the quality.
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Press secretaries have a very high burn out rate. Unless you are Josh Earnest, Obama's 2nd and last press secretary. here is Earnest talking about how the media is treating Trump. I assume you don't hate Earnest...yet. 

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/03/09/former-obama-spokesman-josh-earnest-harshly-criticizes-the-medias-thin-skinned-response-to-trump/

Josh Earnest, who served as former President Barack Obama’s press secretary from 2014 to 2017, says the media is too sensitive and easily flustered by President Donald Trump.

Speaking during a Harvard University forum titled, “Press & the Presidency,” earlier this week, Earnest accused the media of being “remarkably thin-skinned” and said reporters too often make the story about themselves.

“Journalism, for an institution that is focused on critiquing people in power, is remarkably thin-skinned,” he said, according to The Boston Globe. “And we’ve seen President Trump cynically use the tendency of the press to defend itself, and to bristle at criticism, to try to distract from the tough questions that the media is asking him.” 

(and it works bc they are having collective liberal meltdown teehee)

Since his inauguration, Trump has frequently antagonized the Washington press corps. Last month, Trump tweeted that the “fake news media” is the “enemy of the American people.” According to a new Quinnipiac University poll, 39 percent of all voters and 81 percent of Republican voters believe “certain news organizations are the enemy of the American people.” 

(yea we do Josh, I like you better now that I don't see you everyday)

According to a recent survey, 44 percent of American voters believe journalists “make up” anonymous sources in their reporting.

Earnest, however, said it would be incorrect to suggest Trump hates the media. Instead, the former White House staffer suggested, the relationship is just complicated.

“I don’t think President Trump has a grand ambition to erase the First Amendment from the copy of the Constitution in the National Archives,” Earnest said. “I just think he often finds the First Amendment to be really, really inconvenient.”

“He’d rather pretend it doesn’t exist or that it’s not that important or that it’s somehow malleable,” he said.

The reality, Earnest argued, is that both the president and the media need one another.

“It’s undeniable that these political conversations are more present in our day-to-day lives, for better or worse,” he said. “Sometimes it’s a source of conflict and friction in our lives, but a more engaged citizenry can only be good for the country.”

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-the-new-york-times-lying-about-trump-19290?page=3

When does a politician’s unsubstantiated statement merit being labeled a “lie”? The line between political misrepresentation and lying is not always a bright one. When, in 1988, Bob Dole accused George H. W. Bush of “lying about his record” (after taking a pounding from Bush’s attack ads in New Hampshire), the remark was taken as evidence of Dole’s hot temper, not Bush’s lack of veracity. When an official gives deliberately false or misleading testimony under oath before Congress, it is commonly deemed more serious, and if discovered has serious legal consequences. If the question is generally murky, one thing is clear: a casual and unsubstantiated political boast gets turned from a “so what” into a “lie” when the paper publishing it has fully internalized its role as part of the opposition.

Who's telling the truth? We need a new definition



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Quote “I don’t think President Trump has a grand ambition to erase the First Amendment from the copy of the Constitution in the National Archives,” Earnest said. “I just think he often finds the First Amendment to be really, really inconvenient.”

“He’d rather pretend it doesn’t exist or that it’s not that important or that it’s somehow malleable,” he said.

Well, he certainly got that right.

Truth can often be terribly inconvenient.

For your amusement and general edification, I give you a quote from Sir Humphrey Appleby,"Sometimes one is forced to consider the possibility that affairs are being conducted in a manner which, all things being considered and making all possible allowances is, not to put too fine a point on it, perhaps not entirely straightforward."

You know who Sir Humphrey is, don't you?

His quote translates into plain English as-he is lying.

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H L Mencken said (something like):  The proper relation between the press and the Presidency is like that of a dog and a lamp post.

Earnest is not speaking as a liberal but as a former press secretary.  Of course, there is going to be an adversarial relationship between the press and the presidency, and that just as true in a liberal administration as it is in a 'conservative' administration.  The question should not be whether the press or individual organizations or reporters have agenda, the question is whether they can get out information, information by which the public can judge how well the president is doing his job.  Presidents don't necessarily like information getting out by which the public can judge them, but they tolerate it,  except for Donald Trump and President Nixon.  We all know about Nixon's flaws and downfall.  Should we entirely shut out the media from information on Mr. Trump so that we have no basis to judge?  Or maybe we should just allow favorable media outlets that the Donald likes.  Does the Emperor have no clothes, and who is going to tell him?

Fareed Zakariah on his show GPS said that for 20 years, Trump's ideas on health care were consistent and good (single payer), but lately he has been letting ideology dictate what he asserts, Zakariah said he should get back to his old position.  If you are buying a television, you can research the television, buy different one, or go to a different store, both seller and the buyer are relatively even in knowledge.  With healthcare there is an unevenness in the knowledge between seller and buyer, the buyer really isn't in a good position to judge whether a procedure is needed or not, and the very act of getting a second opinion is going to cost.  Furthermore, doctors will order procedures to cover their own backsides, given the cost of malpractice suits.  Therefore, the marketplace does not work well for healthcare.  Donald Trump said in the past (something like), 'I am a conservative in most areas, but where it comes to healthcare I am a liberal.'  Of course, he has gotten away from this in his candidacy and presidency, but Zakariah thinks he should get back to it. 
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

H L Mencken said (something like):  The proper relation between the press and the Presidency is like that of a dog and a lamp post.

Earnest is not speaking as a liberal but as a former press secretary.  Of course, there is going to be an adversarial relationship between the press and the presidency, and that just as true in a liberal administration as it is in a 'conservative' administration.  The question should not be whether the press or individual organizations or reporters have agenda, the question is whether they can get out information, information by which the public can judge how well the president is doing his job.  Presidents don't necessarily like information getting out by which the public can judge them, but they tolerate it,  except for Donald Trump and President Nixon.

Who ever had a choice about tolerating the press? You mention Nixon and Trump bc you think they are so unpopular that anything can be said of them. The next and latest accusation is laid on top of the last layer, proof of what all democrats have been shilling to demonstrate with maniacal persistence how Trump contributes to their incontinence.

Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

We all know about Nixon's flaws and downfall.  Should we entirely shut out the media from information on Mr. Trump so that we have no basis to judge?  Or maybe we should just allow favorable media outlets that the Donald likes.  Does the Emperor have no clothes, and who is going to tell him?
Just as 'you all' know of the purity of Hilliary? Please name all the media outlets favorable to Trump. Just keep complaining while life actually improves for working people maybe some will trickle up to the genius/scholars.

Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Fareed Zakariah on his show GPS said that for 20 years, Trump's ideas on health care were consistent and good (single payer), but lately he has been letting ideology dictate what he asserts, Zakariah said he should get back to his old position.  If you are buying a television, you can research the television, buy different one, or go to a different store, both seller and the buyer are relatively even in knowledge.  With healthcare there is an unevenness in the knowledge between seller and buyer, the buyer really isn't in a good position to judge whether a procedure is needed or not, and the very act of getting a second opinion is going to cost.  Furthermore, doctors will order procedures to cover their own backsides, given the cost of malpractice suits.  Therefore, the marketplace does not work well for healthcare.  Donald Trump said in the past (something like), 'I am a conservative in most areas, but where it comes to healthcare I am a liberal.'  Of course, he has gotten away from this in his candidacy and presidency, but Zakariah thinks he should get back to it. 
Agree. Public health is in the best interest of the country. I want the same health benefits as the congress and I don't want congress to have better choices than veterans. 


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No, I mention President Nixon and President Trump because they were the most vocal about their opposition to, and least tolerant of the press, or so it seems so far for Trump (the game isn't over yet).
But that doesn't mean that Obama or Clinton or Carter loved the press.  A former drinking buddy friend of mine who was in Vietnam pointed out that anyone who believes in the press being pro-liberal should remember how the news everyday started with "America held hostage, day 146" during the Carter administration.  The press is for itself primarily, although it looks on people on the left as ordinary people, (including communist and socialist) whereas people on the right are these strange creatures called conservatives or the radical right.

I would not really consider Donald Trump to be a conservative, anyone he hung out at Studio 54 a lot in the '70s is not really a conservative.  He may be going the same direction that the conservatives are going for now, but his conservatism like everything else about him, is quite shallow.

I don't know about the "purity of Hillary," she was definitely for a lot of people, the "lesser evil" candidate, but the lesser evil is still evil. 

If I told you 'the moon is made out of green cheese,' is that a lie?  No, because I don't expect you to believe me, I don't expect you to be fooled.  And anyone who is fooled is a big fool for believing a story that shouldn't fool anyone over age 6.  A lot of Trump's campaign rhetoric was as empty as "yes, we can." of Candidate Obama, except Obama's was more obviously empty.


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Some people in life are, pardon the expression, sh*t magnets.  Donald Trump is _not_ a sh*t magnet, Donald Trump is a reverse sh*t magnet, Donald Trump is the proverbial fan that spatters sh*t on everyone else.  It is not that he stays clean, in fact it is matter of two negatives repelling each other.  One negative is the sh*t, and the other negative is Donald Trump.  Some people believe he has the Midas touch, and what he touches, like his escalator, turns to gold.  But, the truth of the matter is that he owes his "success" to being too big to fail.  He borrowed so much money, that if he fell, he would threaten to take banks with him, and so they felt obligated to prop him up.  In a way, that is his life strategy, and his Presidential strategy, he promises to be a complete pain in the ass, (and he is a complete ass), that if he doesn't get his way, he threatens to ruin everything.  He is a reverse sh*t magnet, and everybody around him gets spattered.  FBI director Comey is just the latest casualty.  Of course, one can read a conspiracy into Comey and Flint, but I am not sure it is that organized.  I am also not saying that the people don't deserve their downfall, that doesn't matter with a sh*t magnet, or a reverse sh*t magnet in this case.

Let me explain what I mean by a sh*t magnet.  In college, I knew a girl (but not in the Biblical sense), who a few years before, when she was 13, had a miscarriage.  Bad things happened to this girl, sometimes it was her fault, and sometimes not.  She had a miscarriage because she slept with her best friend's boyfriend, got pregnant, and her best friend beat her up, causing the miscarriage.  That was her fault.  Some people had Cary Grant karma, and some people have Charlie Brown karma.  (Someone once said to Cary Grant that they wanted to be Cary Grant, Cary Grant replied, "you want to be Cary Grant, [heck,] I want to be Cary Grant."  Karmically, even Cary Grant didn't have Cary Grant karma.  But, in any case, that definitely was her fault.  One thing that wasn't her fault, is she was walking down the street one day, and walked into a poisonous chlorine gas cloud, that had escaped from a nearby tank.  If it wasn't for bad luck, she would have had no luck at all.  That is what a sh*t magnet is.  It is not necessarily her fault, but bad things one way or other, happened to her.  Well, Trump is the reverse of that, bad things happen to people around him, "cosmically" I suspect it is not necessarily his fault, but if you are smart, you don't want to know him, and you definitely don't want a reverse sh*t to know you.  So all those "radical" right, fringe political appointees that Trump is making, I am not sure he is really doing them a favor.  But, I could be wrong, I have been wrong beforeWink.  This is just a theory for people to consider as the Trump presidency 'evolves.'
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While I was moving house last week, Trump took advantage of my absence from the forum and sacked the Director of the FBI.

We all know that the FBI is investigating possible links between Trump and his top advisors, including his son-in-law and Russia. It's just possible that Trump had no links at with Russia, but, if that is the case, his timing is abysmal.

What I may have written about Trump in the past, my suspicions and dislikes, I stand by.
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You may not like Trump, but surely you wouldn't refuse to sell him the rope he will hang himself with?
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I think that there is a very remote possibility that something will go dreadfully right with the Trump presidency.  Now having said that, I point to the scene in the comedy Dumb and Dumber, where the dunce is sitting next to the blonde in the pickup, and he asks her, 
"Do I have chance?"
at which she shakes her head and says,
"one in a million!"
at which point he responds,
"yes! I have a chance!"
But if there is a chance that the Trump presidency will work out, I don't think that "chance" is dependent upon everybody else rolling over and doing what Donald Trump's ego demands.  In fact, I think that the press and the branches and departments of government should hold Trump to high standards, hold his feet to the fire so to speak.  No matter how much he cries and has a tantrum, he can't just have his way.  And if scandals bring him down, well it would be worse for American democracy if those investigations were silenced, than if he was found guilty of, well, apparently take your pick.


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In my view, Mr. Trump epitomises the corruption of the system that I've discussed in another thread.

He's rich, and now very very powerful, and wants to rule as an autocrat. So far he's got away with it pretty much. But there's got to be a reckoning. There's too much smoke around his presidency, and, imo, where there's smoke, there's all too often fire.

It seems to me that he's paving his own road to impeachment.
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And now an American with a lot of experience with the US poilitical system over many years and several different administrations appears to corroberate my view above.
Quote "David Gergen who served Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton, was frank about Mr Trump’s dire situation during a CNN panel segment.

“After watching the Clinton impeachment, I thought I would never see another one. But I think we’re in impeachment territory for the first time,” Mr Gergen told host Anderson Cooper.

Asked to elaborate, Mr Gergen said the President had potentially strayed towards “obstruction of justice”, if the memo written by Mr Comey is accurate."

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http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/memo-alleges-donald-trump-tried-to-shut-down-investigation/news-story/8c71f5431b4b3c0ca42d2adac8f12b2b

Trump is stumbling from one mess to another, one lie to another, and he's being found out. David Gergen claims that, if the allegations above are correct, the President could be charged with Attempting to Pervert The Course of Justice. Impeachment, according to Gergen is not out of the question.





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According to todays media reports, the President has claimed that he's being maligned by the media, basically appealing to his support base to come out and help him.

Almost every day recently, there's been a new and scandalous revelation, and this latest one about his alleged attempt to derail the General Flynn investigation is highly dangerous to his presidency, imho.

What's your take on his administration so far? 
I'd be interested in your comments.
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I just read the following article and, in the context of what we've been discussing, found it interesting, perhaps other members would like to comment on it.

Quote https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/18/donald-trump-impeach-special-counsel-robert-mueller-fbi

The “presumption of regularity”. It is a term largely unfamiliar to those outside legal or governmental circles but one that all Americans should now learn. Born of centuries-old common law, the presumption stands for the idea that government officials are presumed to act lawfully and in proper discharge their office – absent evidence to the contrary.

Every elected and appointed official enjoys this presumption. It is not easily squandered. It is meant to withstand errors in judgment and lapses in leadership. What it does not indulge is a clear pattern of abuse. Once the presumption collapses, the official is no longer fit for office.

This is the position that Donald Trump now finds himself in. What took Richard Nixon more than five years Trump has managed to accomplish in the narrow compass of four months. He has confirmed the worst fears of those who questioned his fitness for office. All the same, 10 days ago, his staunchest critics might have called Trump a national disaster but essentially unimpeachable. Now it seems like just a matter of time before he is removed from office. 

The announcement that the deputy attorney general, Rod Rosenstein, has appointed Robert Mueller III, the former FBI director, to serve as special counsel overseeing the Russian probe only strengthens the spreading sense that Trump is finished.

What makes this appointment fatal to the president is not Mueller’s well-earned reputation for doggedness. It is the fact that the president’s own self-destructive behavior has altered the scope of the probe. No longer will the possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign be the focus. 

Front and center will be whether the president has obstructed justice – first, by entreating Comey to “let go” of the Flynn investigation, and second, by firing Comey. Also at issue will be whether Trump’s tweet – “James Comey better hope that there are no ‘tapes’ of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!” – represents an attempt to tamper with a witness in an ongoing investigation.

A White House with a presumption of regularity might be able to weather these allegations. A “regular” president might be able to convince the American people that Comey’s contemporaneous memo misstated or mischaracterized the president’s entreaty, which expressed a hope, not a command. Of course, even a regular president might not succeed. 

Republicans should ask themselves how many nanoseconds they would have let pass before drawing up articles of impeachment had Barack Obama asked Comey to “let go” of the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server.

But Trump has made his irregularity all too clear. When a president lies extravagantly – about millions of illegal voters and about phantom crimescommitted against him by his predecessor in the Oval Office – he has squandered the right to be believed when it counts most. And when Mueller summons Trump to testify under oath, it is hard to imagine a president with such a reckless disregard for the truth steering clear of the pitfalls of perjury.

If all this weren’t damning enough, the allegations that Trump has committed impeachable offenses have come during a week that has placed his profoundly irregular behavior on gross display. His lapses in judgment accumulate in staggering fashion. We had barely absorbed the bizarre tableau of Russian photographers ushered into the innermost sanctum of presidential power when comes word that the president had divulged sensitive intelligenceto an adversary like a braggart showing off a shiny new Ferrari.

And now comes the news that in appointing Flynn his national security adviser, Trump disregarded not only the warnings of Obama and the acting attorney general, Sally Yates, but the very fact that Flynn was already under criminal investigation.

Erratic behavior, extravagant narcissism wedded to a lack of discipline, and a pattern of arguably impeachable offenses: we can only hope that Mueller’s appointment sounds the death knell of this brief, dangerous experiment in presidential waywardness.

I admit to a certain facination with Donald Trump's presidency. It's the first time in my life that a US President has made the Australian media almost every day because of his alleged stuff ups. More over, the stuff ups have now reached the stage of blatant illegality, if the latest reports are true. Many authoratative sources in the USA are saying that Trump has crossed the boundary into impeachment territory, full of vipers. In fact, one politician has called for his impeachment, but it hasn't got very far, yet.

Everything about the Trump administration has smacked of arrogance and blatant bully-boy tactics. He's tried unsuccesfully to bully the Supreme Court, Hawaii has rebuffed his immigration moves, Mexico has told him to stuff his fence, some residents have migrated to Canada, he's insulted leaders of countries considered traditional allies while, initially, buddying up to Vlad Putin. There are ructions within his own political party and it's likely that he hasn't got a real political friend in the world, merely sychophants.





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Washington could not tell a lie.
Nixon could not tell the truth.
and Trump could not tell the difference.

When the Nixon, Reagan and Clinton administrations went into scandal, it was in a second term, with a full appointment of staff, and for purposes of government, the White House could still run, while the President was distracted.  That is not true of the appointees so early into the Trump Whitehouse, the Trump Whitehouse does not have the full compliment of undersecretaries, etc, and so it will be quite hard to go on with business as usual if(when) the Trump Whitehouse begins to explode.  That is a problem for the United States, whether one is a republican, democrat or independent.  The business of government still needs to go on.  But who wants to join a sinking ship?  While it may be necessary to replace Donald Trump as President, nobody who recognizes what that means, should rejoice over it.  Of course, some probably do, like Vladimir Putin.  But what else would you expect of someone who bombed Moscow apartment buildings, and blamed it on Chechnyens? 
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If in fact President Trump were to be impeached, it would be messy for the government and for the people in general.

Having a president so deeply engaged with the daily goings on of departments under his control is not a good thing, he should be taking a step back and letting the Civil Servants run them. His government Secretarys provide government policy and oversight. Again, something, imho, wrong about the US system.

With all of the allegations of wrongdoing currently doing the rounds, Trump must be distracted from the job of running the country (maybe that's a good thing) and let's hope the civil servants are smart enough to keep on plugging.
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The top positions are appointed.  And not only is it fairly early in his administration, but because President Trump has been appointing, shall we be nice and say, "non-typical" individuals, appointments have gone slowly.  And since President Trump is, shall we say, "learning on the job," appointments have gone slowly.  The democrats have done what they have to slow things down, but ultimately, they cannot block the appointments.  Given the problems that are bubbling up for the Trump administration, it is going to be hard to get empty appointments filled.  Who is going to want to go into such a hectic and potentially carrier killing position?  Especially with a boss who seems so erratic.

I would not "worry" about impeachment.  Let Donald worry about impeachment.  I would worry about finding out what has happened, and then once we have found out, only then is it a question of what to do next.  The Trump Whitehouse might implode before that.  
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

The top positions are appointed.  And not only is it fairly early in his administration, but because President Trump has been appointing, shall we be nice and say, "non-typical" individuals, appointments have gone slowly.  And since President Trump is, shall we say, "learning on the job," appointments have gone slowly.  The democrats have done what they have to slow things down, but ultimately, they cannot block the appointments.  Given the problems that are bubbling up for the Trump administration, it is going to be hard to get empty appointments filled.  Who is going to want to go into such a hectic and potentially carrier killing position?  Especially with a boss who seems so erratic.

I would not "worry" about impeachment.  Let Donald worry about impeachment.  I would worry about finding out what has happened, and then once we have found out, only then is it a question of what to do next.  The Trump Whitehouse might implode before that.  
The rule of thumb in Washington DC is that you never get in trouble for the crime, you get in trouble because of the cover up.

And covering up, or trying to, he most certainly is.

But back to the Departments, surely somewhere in the chain of command there is a permanent boss, a civil servant who maintains continuity when administrations change?




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The FBI director normally has a ten year appointment.  He is appointed by the President, but will still be there some time after that president is gone.  He can be fired by the President, but that is really for gross negligence or corruption, which is not the case for James Comey.  There are some economic, or bank overseeing post that are the same way.
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Bring back Edgar J. LOL
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At last, Donald J. has learned some political moves. When it gets too hot in the kitchen, go on an overseas tour.
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