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I think the assumption is that when a protester murders a police officer, the protester is an outlier and not representative of the movement, whereas when a police officer kills its considered as representative of the the organization.  That is the assumption.  Part of that is based on the fact that protesters are only self-identified as part of a movement, there is not necessarily any organization of the movement, nor any standards or qualifications or for that matter, sometimes, no statement of principles.  Whereas, with a police department, there is quite a bit of standards, qualifications and so forth.  So, it is assumed that when there is an incident between police and civilians, that the police as a whole must be "in on it."

Usually, there is a very coherent logic behind the police officers' account and what 'went down,' describing how and why they reacted that way.  The protesters' perspective is focused on the end result, and maybe what happened immediately before the end result.  Usually there is some kind of aggressive response on the part of the individual, either fight or flight, to which the police are responding after the incidence has started.  Once the incident is started, it is probably pretty hard for either side to step outside their 'respective' roles in the incident.

It does not help that the mainstream media is not exactly the best reporter on such incidents.  It is not merely that the media is liberal, although there is that too.  It is to a great extent that the mainstream media is simplistic, looking for sound bites and headlines, and a 'good guy/bad guy' perspective, whereas the police and the legal system have intricate descriptions of what exactly happened, why each people responded the way they did, not only legal distinctions, but psychological and just even who knew what, when.  Conservative media may have a pro-police bias, but really if you think about it, the kind of taking an issue, milling over, and discussing in a talk radio format, does allow the ins and outs to be explored more thoroughly, as does newspaper commentators who are often conservative (often in an intellectual way) also.

Part of the 'good guy vs. bad guy' perspective can be taking the view of the 'underdog,' which in race relations means being on the sides of blacks or hispanics.  It does not necessarily mean taking the side of all minorities, just those that are perceived as 'disadvantaged.'  Try arguing for minority scholarships for Malaysian, Bangladeshi or Philippinos and I doubt you would get anywhere in U.S. universities.  And despite what you see on the TV, most poverty in the United States, is white, rural, and out of sight, out of mind.  That is a big part of Donald Trump's appeal, is that he paid attention to a 'demographic' that has been largely passed over in the United States, and he was rewarded by the vote for that.  He deserves credit for that, although i am not sure whether he is temperamentally suited to follow through.  In other words, he insults everybody, and hasn't been able work with anybody, in his own party or otherwise.  This is not a good thing, he has in a way, identified a problem, and it would be nice if he could come up with some sort of a solution for the whole of the United States. 
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Do you accept the New York Tmes as a fair reporter of current events in the USA, especially in relation to your President?

I found this clip today, and I thought it applied perfectly to you.

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Trump’s Bad Week? To Supporters, It Went Just Fine

By SABRINA TAVERNISE 

It was a week of turmoil, but it seemed to prove an immutable rule of this presidency: People see what they want to see, even if others see something very different.   https://www.nytimes.com/    Saturday August 19 2017  


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It's not a new phenomenon, newspapers have political leanings and so does broadcast news & radio.

It didn't start with this election. Some British papers may be more honest about US than we are about ourselves & vice versa.

NY Times has always been in a Trump must Fail mode.

In the quote it's the Trump supporters who are seeing things that are not there.

Among many conservatives and Trump supporters it's the left who sees things that are not there. 

About right? 
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The slogan of the New York Times is, "All the News Fit to Print."  
I prefer thinking of it as, "All the News Printed to Fit."

Now understand that I believe everyone is biased one way or the other on probably about everything, not necessarily on a left/right or conservative/liberal split, but in some fashion or other, it is not a question of finding a bias free media, but rather of understanding what an outlet's bias is, in general, and on specific issues.  "Balance" is not a matter of paying attention to any one outlet, but of playing with different media to try to figure out what exactly happened.  Furthermore, it may be a matter that less is more and more is less, one can get overwhelmed by detail, or in other words, baffled by the bulls---.

One should be aware that a lot of the press on Donald Trump is a matter of "Schadenfreude" or a sickening kind of joy, in seeing (or anticipating) Donald Trump's failure.  New York and certain people from it have had more time to get sick of Trump than the rest of population has.  More people in New York hate him and want him to fail then anywhere else in the Earth.  That shows how lovable he is, but it also says what "cosmopolitan" New Yorkers and the paper they read think about him, and propagate about him.  And I guess that is what I am trying to say, it is propaganda, which doesn't mean it is false, but it does mean it is skewed.  And of all things, "don't believe the hype."

I don't watch RT, (Russia Today?) because that is all it is, Russian propaganda, watching it I cannot tell what exactly is the axe they are trying to grind, but I know it is there, so I avoid it.
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OK, I accept what you both have written, so give me the names of some reliable, unbiased news sources please.
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As far as I am concerned, there is no such thing as an unbiased news source, so either you choose a source you agree with (or think you agree with) so you get your views (your bias) confirmed, or you choose source(s) that run counter to your views, and hope that they give you new insights.

As I have done before, I would suggest looking at commentators David Brooks and Charles (?) Krauthammer.  Both are on the "more" conservative, intellectual side of the debate.  Shields and Brooks is a weekly Friday night commentary on PBS (Public television), Brooks is the _more_ conservative, and Shields is the _more_ liberal perspective.  But all three don't like Trump, for well thought out reasons, but what they say in general is well thought out, you learn _why_ they don't care for him, it is for what he does and what he doesn't do.  But, I also believe they will give him credit on things, when they feel it is warranted.  They are also commenting on what one might call the "phenomenon of Trump" commenting on how he reaches out to a primarily white rural blue collar 'class' which has been for a long time neglected.  I would also suggest the commentary page of the NYT or the WSJ. 

The local newspaper said that "Trump compared confederate generals to Washington and Jefferson." (founding fathers, US Presidents, slave owners).  No, not really.  Trump said 'if you start taking down statues of confederate generals, are you going to want to start taking down statues of Washington and Jefferson?'  So technically Trump compared the two, but the statement is very misleading, and is meant to be misleading, and inflammatory.  We could say that it conforms to the "letter of the law" of journalism, but not the "spirit of the law."
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Is there a possibility that I'll ever get a straight answer from you?

All I asked for was a few sources which are generally regarded in the US as being unbiased and accurate-no more, no less!
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My niece asked for a unicorn, that doesn't mean they exist!

Or maybe in the land down under, amongst the marsupials and monotremes, there is a creature called an unbiased opinion???  If you want THE Answer get religion, otherwise you are in the same boat as the rest of us, trying to piece together a complete picture from the bits and pieces.  

I gave you an answer, Shields and Brooks, Charles Krauthammer, Wall Street Journal, have you checked those out???  You are like the man looking for his car keys under the street lamp, because the light is much better there!
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So, you're saying that in the USA, there's one accurate and unbiased news source?

Incredible, and quite frankly, Franky, unbelievable.






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No, I am saying there are _no_ completely unbiased and _no_ completely accurate source, _anywhere_ in the world, unless _you_ have something down under living with the monotremes and other living fossils. 
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It's as close to true as it gets toyomotor.

Wall Street Journal is tough but fair to Trump, Krauthammer has a weekly column as does Thomas Sowell. The National Review is fair but also criticizes Trump.

I do think that the never Trump, liberal left media like CNN and MSNBC, Huffington Post and Politico are suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. Why does Trump get two scoops of ice cream!
The Horror!


Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump is living every child's dream: More ice cream.

According to an extensive interview with TIME Magazine, Trump's White House staff has settled into Trump's routine and know his desires, sometimes before he does,
For example: Trump takes two scoops of ice cream with his chocolate cream pie, TIME reported, while everyone else around the table gets just one.
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Quote Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump is living every child's dream: More ice cream.
According to an extensive interview with TIME Magazine, Trump's White House staff has settled into Trump's routine and know his desires, sometimes before he does,
For example: Trump takes two scoops of ice cream with his chocolate cream pie, TIME reported, while everyone else around the table gets just one.
And this rates as news????

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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Quote Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump is living every child's dream: More ice cream.
According to an extensive interview with TIME Magazine, Trump's White House staff has settled into Trump's routine and know his desires, sometimes before he does,
For example: Trump takes two scoops of ice cream with his chocolate cream pie, TIME reported, while everyone else around the table gets just one.
And this rates as news????


It does when you hate Trump & work for CNN- Certainly Not News!

http://www.dailywire.com/news/16366/cnn-loses-it-again-trump-gets-2-scoops-ice-cream-joseph-curl#exit-modal
 

How Low Can CNN Go? Now It's Covering President Trump's Ice Cream Habits. Seriously.

"At the dessert course, he gets two scoops of vanilla ice cream with his chocolate cream pie, instead of the single scoop for everyone else."

In the Time magazine story, that was just one little detail. But for CNN, the network decided to do a special, stand-alone piece on "Ice Cream-Gate." Yes, this is what CNN now focuses on -- when it's not fabricating news out of whole cloth.

Of course, some took to Twitter to mock the network.

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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:


The local newspaper said that "Trump compared confederate generals to Washington and Jefferson." (founding fathers, US Presidents, slave owners).  No, not really.  Trump said 'if you start taking down statues of confederate generals, are you going to want to start taking down statues of Washington and Jefferson?'  So technically Trump compared the two, but the statement is very misleading, and is meant to be misleading, and inflammatory.  We could say that it conforms to the "letter of the law" of journalism, but not the "spirit of the law."

Please clarify. What is misleading about Trump's statement?
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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

[quote]Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump is living every child's dream: More ice cream.
According to an extensive interview with TIME Magazine, Trump's White House staff has settled into Trump's routine and know his desires, sometimes before he does,
For example: Trump takes two scoops of ice cream with his chocolate cream pie, TIME reported, while everyone else around the table gets just one.
And this rates as news????
/QUOTE]
It does when you hate Trump & work for CNN- Certainly Not News!

http://www.dailywire.com/news/16366/cnn-loses-it-again-trump-gets-2-scoops-ice-cream-joseph-curl#exit-modal
 

How Low Can CNN Go? Now It's Covering President Trump's Ice Cream Habits. Seriously.

"At the dessert course, he gets two scoops of vanilla ice cream with his chocolate cream pie, instead of the single scoop for everyone else."

In the Time magazine story, that was just one little detail. But for CNN, the network decided to do a special, stand-alone piece on "Ice Cream-Gate." Yes, this is what CNN now focuses on -- when it's not fabricating news out of whole cloth.

Of course, some took to Twitter to mock the network.

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If this is the output of the media in the most powerful country in the world, we should all mourn the death of journalism, in general.

What next? The colour of his socks, or jocks?

Get real many American people are homeless, unemployed and starving. Many affected by Hurrican Katrina are still living in their ruined homes, 12 years after the event! 

SHAME, SHAME!

I see now what you mean about the US media.

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If this is the output of the media in the most powerful country in the world, we should all mourn the death of journalism, in general.

What next? The colour of his socks, or jocks?

Get real many American people are homeless, unemployed and starving. Many affected by Hurrican Katrina are still living in their ruined homes, 12 years after the event! 

SHAME, SHAME!

I see now what you mean about the US media.

Yep. One just has to tune up the BS meter look at different sources and see what appears to be closest to truth relative to the actual situation on the ground. 

Looking at the RNC obstructing the agenda that the majority of America voted to pursue is no less infuriating than ANTIFA. 

Keeping things in check with the press is important. Let them be agitators just not hysterical propagators of fear and loathing.

Why does (D)Nancy Pelosi call for the removal of Civil War statues? Democrats want the whole world to forget the party of the Confederates -Democrats! Don't forget Jim Crow & the KKK. Robert Byrd, Hillary Clinton's mentor, KKK Grand Gecko. Reality is tricky!


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The majority of America did not vote to pursue Donald Trump's agenda, the majority don't vote, and Donald did not even get the majority of those who voted.  Unless you believe that Trump was right and there was voter fraud on the level of 2 million (usually quoted, although more lately I have heard 2.5 million from William Kristol).

John Lukacs describes the populist wave as "fear and hatred."  I would be curious to hear what he thinks of the situation these days, (I assume he is still alive), he dates back as a kid to Hungary in WWII, he has seen conservatives think they could work with, a loose cannon.  He calls himself a reactionary, because only the reactionaries stuck to their principles (and thus went to the camps, but not holiday camps).

But Trump is just a force for chaos, not a force for evil.  Hitler had a moral compass, for evil, whereas Trump is just amoral.  Although, I have recently heard that Hitler pitted others against each other, (from Caldrail's post in another thread).  So, who knows, maybe 'great minds think alike??' :P

America does not have much of a sense of history, I doubt Pelosi is hiding anything, just rather dealing with the reality of a radical San Francisco.  But all those statues were meant as a giant 'f--- you' to Northerners.  They are meant to be political.  Donald Trump has a good point about how about Jefferson and Washington, (and Jackson, and ....), but he should not be the one to take point on it.  He has a job, he shouldn't be a firebrand, taking point.  
The Democrats like to think that they are the party of civil rights, but the fact is that civil rights could not have happened without a democrat, _because_ the democrats controlled the "Solid South."  Lyndon Baines Johnson was the southerner (from Texas), who enacted civil rights, including quote systems and affirmative action.  For civil rights Martin Luther King took point, who was a Republican, like most blacks were before the civil rights era.  Now Republicans will take anybody (unfortunately) and when LBJ did civil rights, the Southern democrats defected to the Republicans, which is how the South became Republican controlled.  Clinton and Gore (two southern democrats) formed a block in order to get the South, and get the Presidency.  Bush senior and junior both had Texas connections, and for George W, a Florida connection.

Democrats have super delegates, which means anybody who is anybody in the Democratic party has a vote separate from regular delegates.  Not very democratic, but it is doubtful that what happened in the Republican party, with Trump or for that matter, with the Southern democrats defection, could happen in the democratic party because the mandarins and party machines are tightly in control.  That is how something like Hillary could happen, democratic party heavies who could influence and control the vote, and discourage anyone else from running for the presidency, except for a self-avowed socialist how has never done anything in the Senate, because he is too radical for anything, except he caucuses with the democrats, as does the other independent (or two) in the Senate.
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Quote Why does (D)Nancy Pelosi call for the removal of Civil War statues?

Now this I don't understand!

The Civil War generals are an important part of American history, that they fought on either the winning or losing side is immaterial, IMHO.

What next? Rename Washington City?

Delete the stars on the flag?

Like the flying of the Confederate Flag in the Southern States, it's all a part of history, a very colourful history.


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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

The majority of America did not vote to pursue Donald Trump's agenda, the majority don't vote, and Donald did not even get the majority of those who voted.  Unless you believe that Trump was right and there was voter fraud on the level of 2 million (usually quoted, although more lately I have heard 2.5 million from William Kristol).
Bill Kristol has been wetting himself for the last two years. Except when he goes on FOX. This moral giant always goes out of his way to say complimentary things about Trump bc he wants to keep making appearance$, he's disingenuous and should not be taken seriously.
This other quibble about Trump not getting a mandate or a majority is pure denial on your part. No one becomes POTUS without a majority of some kind. In this case it was the electoral college majority.

  Majority. Look at the map one more time..





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Quote John Lukacs describes the populist wave as "fear and hatred."  I would be curious to hear what he thinks of the situation these days, (I assume he is still alive), he dates back as a kid to Hungary in WWII, he has seen conservatives think they could work with, a loose cannon.  He calls himself a reactionary, because only the reactionaries stuck to their principles (and thus went to the camps, but not holiday camps).

Matthew 7:3-5New International Version (NIV)

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Fear & loathing from media, activist groups, politicians, historians, Hollywood, academia but you only see a populist movement? 


Quote But Trump is just a force for chaos, not a force for evil.  Hitler had a moral compass, for evil, whereas Trump is just amoral.  Although, I have recently heard that Hitler pitted others against each other, (from Caldrail's post in another thread).  So, who knows, maybe 'great minds think alike??' :P
For sure leftists think alike.
I don't think you are qualified to judge Trump's morality. You supported and pine for that pant suited Teletubbie whose morals are far from admirable. It's St. Matthew's line all over again.

Quote America does not have much of a sense of history,
There are over 4,500 historical societies and preservation organizations in the US.
We are on a history site! Americans LOVE HISTORY fransicosan, even you. 

Quote I doubt Pelosi is hiding anything, just rather dealing with the reality of a radical San Francisco.
And the reality is that Pelosi is trying to erase the history of the Democrat's role in racial inequality and oppression. If Lincoln had been a D we would hear that from CNN every hour on the hour.  

Quote  But all those statues were meant as a giant 'f--- you' to Northerners.  They are meant to be political.  Donald Trump has a good point about how about Jefferson and Washington, (and Jackson, and ....), but he should not be the one to take point on it.  He has a job, he shouldn't be a firebrand, taking point.
It doesn't matter what the southerners meant by erecting statues, we are here now. POTUS has right to comment. What is your logic? he has a job? Shouldn't be a fire brand? Are you talking about Bizzarro Trump??(toyomotor-"Bizzarro" Superman reference, insane opposite reality)
 
Quote The Democrats like to think that they are the party of civil rights, but the fact is that civil rights could not have happened without a democrat, _because_ the democrats controlled the "Solid South."  Lyndon Baines Johnson was the southerner (from Texas), who enacted civil rights, including quote systems and affirmative action.
 
True yes but Johnson didn't want to sign it. He rejected every previous attempt to enact Civil Rights legislation. He was the man of the hour. He was an accidental activist.

Quote  For civil rights Martin Luther King took point, who was a Republican, like most blacks were before the civil rights era.  Now Republicans will take anybody (unfortunately)
 
What the whaaaat?

Quote Democrats have super delegates, which means anybody who is anybody in the Democratic party has a vote separate from regular delegates.  Not very democratic, but it is doubtful that what happened in the Republican party, with Trump or for that matter, with the Southern democrats defection, could happen in the democratic party because the mandarins and party machines are tightly in control.  That is how something like Hillary could happen, democratic party heavies who could influence and control the vote, and discourage anyone else from running for the presidency, except for a self-avowed socialist how has never done anything in the Senate, because he is too radical for anything, except he caucuses with the democrats, as does the other independent (or two) in the Senate.
And yet, Bernie Sanders was more popular than Hillary and the people wanted Sanders. They got stuck with "Stronger Together" which no one understood. They did understand free tuition and health care. Bernie got shafted as you say it's how things are done. 
Hillary was never widely embraced, people were voting the lesser of two evils. Look at the map again, I'll try not to be insulting (again) but obviously the coasts, where media and Hollywood thrives was her only 'success.' 
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Quote The Democrats like to think that they are the party of civil rights, but the fact is that civil rights could not have happened without a democrat, _because_ the democrats controlled the "Solid South."  Lyndon Baines Johnson was the southerner (from Texas), who enacted civil rights, including quote systems and affirmative action.
 

Just building on your point about the Solid South bc it's interesting. And you really don't think that democrats would like to wipe this from memoery? In all her time as Speaker, Pelosi never let us in on her secret hatred of the Robert E. Lee statue. (Not to be confused with Robert Lee, the Asian sports announer working for ESPN but did not work this past weekend bc of the threat of the tolerant left.)

http://www.si.com/tech-media/2017/08/23/robert-lee-espn-decision-pull-announcer-broadcast

She's represented San Francisco for 30 years. Glad she finally got that off her chest.  

http://www.history.com/news


The night that Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Actof 1964, his special assistant Bill Moyers was surprised to find the president looking melancholy in his bedroom. Moyers later wrote that when he asked what was wrong, Johnson replied, “I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come.”


Up until the post-World War II period, the party’s hold on the region was so entrenched that Southern politicians usually couldn’t get elected unless they were Democrats. But when President Harry S. Truman, a Democratic Southerner, introduced a pro-civil rights platform at the party’s 1948 convention, a faction walked out.

These defectors, known as the “Dixiecrats,” held a separate convention in Birmingham, Alabama. There, they nominated South Carolina Governor Strom Thurmond, a staunch opposer of civil rights, to run for president on their “States’ Rights” ticket. Although Thurmond lost the election to Truman, he still won over a million popular votes.

That's her with Robert (kkk) Byrd, also mentor and friend of Hillary Clinton. Couldn't find her with Strom it's buried! Just pointing out how ridiculously hypocritical the democrats have been with the wild charges of racism against everyone who isn't them. 





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President Trump has issued an order than trans-gender people will not be permitted to serve in the US Armed Forces-in any capacity.

Wouldn't that be open to appeal on the grounds of discrimination?

What if the members refuse to disclose their sexuality under the Don't Ask,Don't Tell  policy?

Is there any chance that the generals will "overlook" full implementation of the policy?
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Don't ask, don't tell has been revoked, don't you suppose a transexual would be rather obvious?
I believe that transexuals need hormones and other medical care.  If the military is committed to having transexuals, is it committed to giving them their estrogen fix?  Are they committed to building separate restroom facilities, what is the limit for .1 % of the population who _choose_ to go through such a procedure.  They make a choice, and everybody else has to adjust for them.  Of course, there are probably many places that you just can't send them because of social stigma.  Now, I am not saying no, don't recruit them, I am saying what does the cost/benefit analysis say?  What exactly is the military for?  Social experimenters seems to want to try all their theories out on the military, without any consideration of what the military is for.  I am not sure the military has assimilated women into its ranks quite yet, (at least that is what the concern of rape in the military means to me), and now we are on to bigger social experiments, on troops that are basically conservative working class, young male in highly, highly stressful and dangerous environments.
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I note that Trump has given James Mattis, SecDef, a pretty wide latitude in the enforcement of the "no trans-sexuals rule" which he recently handed down.

I suggest that a practical enforcement of this would be to retain those who have already undergone the transformation, provided they are still suitable for miliary service and not providing the medical assistance to those serving members who in the future may wish to have the procedure. Perhaps they could be given leave without pay while it is being done, I don't know.

There are many non-combat roles which are very capably carried out by women these days. Some women also serve in front line combat positions and do so with distinction. So you simply can't write off women and transgender people as being valueless to the military-especially as the Armed Forces go more high tech with such things as drones.


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The Politically Correct gestapo has gone around bend in US. A beefy_trans_gender teenage boy is running track against girls bc he "identifies" as female. Naturally he's crushing the girls, winning championships (faux wins) while school officials admit it's not fair but that it should be done anyway. 

How far WRONG do we have to swing before someone with common sense steps up to stop this nonsense? 

The Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic Conference leaves gender-identity cases to local school districts, according to an earlier Courant story on Yearwood:

The CIAC defers to the determination of the student and his or her local school regarding gender identification. According to the CIAC handbook, it is fundamentally unjust and contrary to applicable state and federal law to preclude a student from participation on a gender specific sports team that is consistent with the public gender identity of that student.

Regarding the girls races involving Yearwood, Courant columnist Jeff Jacobs asked, “Was it fair?”

His answer: “On a biologically competitive basis, it was not.” But Jacobs also asked if Yearwood, 15, should be allowed to participate with the girls? His answer was yes.


Coaches at Cromwell High School are thrilled with freshman Andraya Yearwood, whose speed compared to biological girls makes the student a star. Andraya clocked times of 11.99 seconds and 26.34 seconds in the 100- and 200-meter dashes, respectively, during the first meet of the season. Both times resulted in a first-place win.

“I have a spectacular female athlete,” coach Brian Calhoun told the Hartford Courant. “There’s nothing more to say. To approach it in any other way might create some sort of issue or conversation.”

Andraya told the newspaper she hopes to “inspire people, but not only with track.”

“I hope it inspires people to not hold yourself back just because you’re scared of it or it is your first time doing it, or because of other people’s negativity,” she said.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/7/andraya-yearwood-transgender-athlete-stars-on-fema/

It's absurd he/she has nothing to be proud of!

He is physically faster and stronger than girls. 

This coach just loves his chick with a ---K! 


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I couldn't agree more, but this is a different issue to trans people serving in the military.

If the trans people can carry out the tasks assigned to them, so be it, IMO.

As for athletes though, it's blatantly unfair and should not be permitted. Like racehorses, they should all be swabbed in advance of the contest and those born of a certain gender should have to compete against their own gender.

On a humerous note, I once went to see a stage show performed by transgenders and female impersonators. Having had one or two drinks, I went to the toilet during the interval, and shortly after was shocked to my jocks to find a girl(??) standing alongside me at the urinal. He/she just said,"Goodday mate" and carried on regardless. I was stunned.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

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I couldn't agree more, but this is a different issue to trans people serving in the military.

If the trans people can carry out the tasks assigned to them, so be it, IMO.

As for athletes though, it's blatantly unfair and should not be permitted. Like racehorses, they should all be swabbed in advance of the contest and those born of a certain gender should have to compete against their own gender.

On a humerous note, I once went to see a stage show performed by transgenders and female impersonators. Having had one or two drinks, I went to the toilet during the interval, and shortly after was shocked to my jocks to find a girl(??) standing alongside me at the urinal. He/she just said,"Goodday mate" and carried on regardless. I was stunned.

It's not different, it's similar. If trans people could just go in and do the job we wouldn't be having this discussion.

It's precisely bc they CAN'T do the job due to gender identity crisis. So tax payers have to pay for gender reassignment, that's where leftists are going with this.

Why can't that boy run track with kids who can actually compete against him? It's bc nothing but the politically correct version of behavior will keep the left from labeling-racist, homophobic, xenophobic bla bla bla Hillary! 
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There is a very high rate of suicide with transgendered individuals, and I don't think that it is just because society (or segments of society) don't approve.  I think that there is something mentally unstable there.  And I don't think that it is a matter of once done, everything's okay.  I think it is a continuing process of meds, and of psychotherapy.  And then there is the fact that the military is a very conservative branch of the government.  You can say that everyone should get along and play nice, but you cannot make it happen, and for that matter is that really what the military is for?  You can say that the military understands orders, but the military understands orders, and look at how much of a problem rape is for female soldiers.  Maybe we should let the military digest one meal, before force-feeding it another, less appetizing one.

This idea of allowing transgendered students to use bathrooms of their choice, puts girls in the position of whether they can use the bathroom of their choice, one without someone hanging around it who is a sexual deviant.  For that is what it is, and whether they feel threatened by that, well, I would not want them to ignore their instincts around that.  Girls may decide it is alright, but I don't see the authorities deciding it is alright being the same thing.  Too much of the time, a top down solution is proposed, whereas really it should come from the bottom up.

Gays, etc, promote that they are 10% of the population, whereas studies show more like 5%.  Transgender students are what? .1 % of the population.  They're generally not stable, well-adjusted individuals.  And they require treatments to continue their 'habit.'  Bradley/Chelsea Manning is an example, and I am sure he is on the military dole to pay for his treatments, he had specialized skills which he misused, went to prison, found his "true self," and got pardoned by Comrade Obama, wanting to show his liberal credentials.  Now Bradley/Chelsea Manning is a spokesperson, I doubt that s(he) is actually doing anything besides being a new woman, or something like that, and wearing it on her sleeve.  But he(r) example of being a poster child for transgender in the military is rather limited, considering she was courtmarshalled and should still be in prison.  If you want to be happy for her, be happy for her, but talk about some who is confused by everything in life, and should not have been in the military in the first place.
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ESPN really has no *alls. Unlike her Ermm

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Quote from https://www.nytimes.com/ 28 Sep 2017

Trump Tax Proposal Benefits Wealthy, Including Trump

By BINYAMIN APPELBAUM

The administration’s tax plan provides large benefits for the wealthy, modest benefits for the middle class — and no direct benefit to the poor.


This stinks!


And so does this

Quote Nick Pearson - 9News.com.au - Thursday, 28 September 2017


President Donald Trump has privately mocked John McCain by mimicking a physical disability the Republican senator developed during his time as a prisoner-of-war.




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