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If those investigating Trump truly believe that examination of his tax records will prove his involvement with Russia, fraud, tax evasion or other crimes, they should pursue them.

IF, on the other hand it's a fishing expedition to see if they can find something to use against him, his tax records should remain confidential.

The Criminal Justice system (?) in the US is somewhat different to the Westminster System in many subtle ways, not all of them good, and Trump deserves to be treated fairly like anyone else. He should not be able to use his position to avoid the laws of the US.
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Now there was money laundering. Do Tell.
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"Now there was money laundering.  Do Tell."
If you acknowledge that there was money-laundering, then what do I have to tell you?

We own things, but things also own us, they come with obligations.  If Trump is taking care of money from the oligarchs, then there is a question of how much they own him.  This is different from Russian interference.  Of course, Trump has the attitude of not owing anyone anything, but even with that attitude he (if he is laundering) is entangled with them.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

"Now there was money laundering.  Do Tell."
 If Trump is taking care of money from the oligarchs, then there is a question of how much they own him.  This is different from Russian interference.  Of course, Trump has the attitude of not owing anyone anything, but even with that attitude he (if he is laundering) is entangled with them.
"IF" (here we go again), democrats continue to look for an imagined crime to pummel Trump with rather than offer actual ideas for improving the US/world situation, Trump wins.
There is a big pool of candidates for the democrats. Some of them are very promising. Andrew Yang is the best IMHO. He's interested in pursuing solutions with innovative plans. Of course the most obnoxious, partisan and leftists dems lead in the polls.
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Actually I think the democrats have ideas to make the world a better place, starting with getting rid of Trump.  I don't think it is a stretch of the imagination to believe he has been crooked in his dealings.  I think he knows that no investigation can demonstrate that he has clean hands in his personal business dealings, therefore like a vampire, he cannot stand the light of day. poof!

I do think that Trump has some mental problems, but then again, Lincoln and Churchill were depressives that came around at exactly the right time.
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He's a character. No question. One television pundit referred to him as the latest joke president. Perhaps a bit unkind, but the manner of Trump's presidency is one of frustrated absolutism. He really did come to office thinking he was going to be emperor of America. Sadly he was unaware or unconcerned that the American political system is geared to prevent that sort of individual domination and the moment he took office he ran straight into those who didn't want to be ruled. Trump is less pompous than he was during his initial days but it seems he's still working to brush aside the governmental mass holding him back. That's his personality of course. As master of his own commercial universe, he thought politics was going to be the same.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Actually I think the democrats have ideas to make the world a better place, starting with getting rid of Trump.  I don't think it is a stretch of the imagination to believe he has been crooked in his dealings.  I think he knows that no investigation can demonstrate that he has clean hands in his personal business dealings, therefore like a vampire, he cannot stand the light of day. poof!

I do think that Trump has some mental problems, but then again, Lincoln and Churchill were depressives that came around at exactly the right time.
The crime has to be proven not the innocence

Why can't that raggedy ass band of democrats get anything done against the anti-Christ? Ineffectual losers letting human sh*t pile up in streets? Letting walking disease machines walk past the border! 
Leftist freaks, eating mushrooms should definitely be calling the shots and they are in DC.

Trump's Mental Problems? 
And you say this looking through your political -tunnel, with the filter on while wearing the rosy glasses. Listen to Adam Schiff talking to Russian comedians about Trump pee party, that's someone with mental problems. 
James Comey lied on the FISA warrant that got American citizens spyed on and then they were approached by foreign operatives overseas. The reason was tell them things that the FBI would falsely trace back to Trump campaign. 
It's coming out and democrats are about to be crushed. The d senators sounded like infantile morons questioning Barr. Did you listen to any of it? Do you know what they are saying? Are you being intellectually honest at all anymore? They are Morons!! How about DNC/CIA and senior FBI officials deciding who should not be president? 
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I do not have a copy of the DSMV IV, but I am willing to bet narcissism and psychopathic tendencies are in there.  But, you missed my point, Lincoln and Churchill would have been in there as well, under depression, but that didn't keep them from doing a good job, in fact their depressive tendencies probably helped them do a good job.  I am not saying that would be the case for Trump, I am just saying that "mental problems" are part of the picture.  Anyone who has any status in the world are bound to have idiosyncrasies.  Some after they got "there" but more likely some which developed along the way.

There is a story of Trump, seeing a bum on the sidewalk, and saying to his (Trump's) companion, "see that guy on the sidewalk, he doesn't realize how lucky he is, he is a hundred million dollars richer than me."  Anyone who has gone through bankruptcy as many times as Trump has, and _not_ been devastated, has some kind of weird wiring in his head.  It may be advantageous to him, but it is not necessarily advantageous with share holders or others around him.  I still think of Trump as a kind of reverse sh*t magnet, sh*t hits miraculously around him, but he seems to be untouched.  The prayer
in Fiddler and the Roof for the czar is appropriate for Trump, "Lord bless him and keep him as far away as possible."
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I do not have a copy of the DSMV IV, but I am willing to bet narcissism and psychopathic tendencies are in there.  But, you missed my point, Lincoln and Churchill would have been in there as well, under depression, but that didn't keep them from doing a good job, in fact their depressive tendencies probably helped them do a good job.  I am not saying that would be the case for Trump, I am just saying that "mental problems" are part of the picture.  Anyone who has any status in the world are bound to have idiosyncrasies.  Some after they got "there" but more likely some which developed along the way.

There is a story of Trump, seeing a bum on the sidewalk, and saying to his (Trump's) companion, "see that guy on the sidewalk, he doesn't realize how lucky he is, he is a hundred million dollars richer than me."  Anyone who has gone through bankruptcy as many times as Trump has, and _not_ been devastated, has some kind of weird wiring in his head.  It may be advantageous to him, but it is not necessarily advantageous with share holders or others around him.  I still think of Trump as a kind of reverse sh*t magnet, sh*t hits miraculously around him, but he seems to be untouched.  The prayer
in Fiddler and the Roof for the czar is appropriate for Trump, "Lord bless him and keep him as far away as possible."

Actually, DSM IV has been replaced by DSM V. Pretty much the same illnesses but in a more understandable format.
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I think I was confusing the DSM IV, with the DMV, enough to drive you crazy.

I wonder about the politics of the DSM, and how psycho-analysis seems to be a new religion.

Not that it doesn't 'work,' it does work to a certain extent.  The "map" however, is not the reality.
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Bankruptcy proceedings in the west are designed to prevent destitution - a destitute person cannot pay his bills and costs the nation in social care. It does cause some problems afterward but remember that Trump always had a huge reserve of funds and many financial avenues to refloat himself when his sums went horribly wrong. Me? If I went bankrupt I'd be pretty poor. County court judgements and debts would mean ongoing issues in daily life. But I would still have a roof over my head.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I think I was confusing the DSM IV, with the DMV, enough to drive you crazy.

I wonder about the politics of the DSM, and how psycho-analysis seems to be a new religion.

Not that it doesn't 'work,' it does work to a certain extent.  The "map" however, is not the reality.

Off topic I know, but DSM V is a road-map-for use by medical professionals in determining states of mental health-nothing more or less.
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  If I went bankrupt I'd be pretty poor. County court judgements and debts would mean ongoing issues in daily life. But I would still have a roof over my head.

If you own the property, you probably wouldn't.

In satisfying creditors, the court would order that your house, car and any other saleable items be seized and sold by auction, unless of course you somehow raised money to pay your bills.

As I understand it, Trump personally has never been bankrupt, although several of his business enterprises have.

The laws in the USA are different to those of civilised countries like the UK.Wink
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Donald Trump's creditors (banks) decided he was worth more alive to them, then dead, and so they did not call in his debts.  He has gone bankrupt 4 or 5 times, although really it was only the first and maybe second time that it happened with his own money.  Any "normal" person would be embarrassed by the whole mess and jumped out the window, Trump is not a normal person, but that doesn't mean that his brand of craziness doesn't work for him.  The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual only deals with mental states that are "negative" in some sense.  If your abnormal mental state is functional or hyper functional, you probably will never be diagnosed, which might be a good thing from a personal perspective, (might).  There has been a change in the DSM over the years as new diagnoses become him, and others fall by the wayside.  Once upon a time, a kid was dismissed as squirrelly now has to have medical intervention as ADD (attention deficit disorder).  Trump is someone who at least is obviously dyslexic, but instead of crying out 'woe is me!' he has adapted and has developed other strengths, that, frankly, (other) politicians do not have. psychiatry and psychology have a place in society, but that place is far from infallible, and yes, non-political.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Donald Trump's creditors (banks) decided he was worth more alive to them, then dead, and so they did not call in his debts.  He has gone bankrupt 4 or 5 times, although really it was only the first and maybe second time that it happened with his own money. 
Word to fransicosan, Trump was never personally bankrupt, it was business bankruptcies sorry MSNBC.
Please document Trump's personal bankruptcy. 
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Please document Donald Trump's taxes.

But, you are probably right, he would have gone bankrupt the first time, but the banks wouldn't pull the trigger.  The rest of the time (most of the time), he was playing around with other people's money and going bankrupt with that.  Is that better or worse?  Same carelessness, but no responsibility.

As far as Trump's moral bankruptcy is concerned, that is a whole other story.  I am not sure that the democrats can come up with a viable alternative, because they seem to be wedded to identity politics and intersectionality.
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