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I don't look at democrats as my "team," I look upon them as sometimes, the lesser of two evils.  In general I vote republican, Trump is an exception, but in my book, he is not a real republican, but someone who is now carrying the flag, but going the wrong way.  He is a carpetbagger.  To the extent he wants to make Republicans in his obnoxious image, I am against that.  The election of a democrat to Alabama saved the Republicans from a whole lot of headaches in another way.  I would have argued about him more with you Vanuatu, but I have been laid up, sick since Monday.
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Not being enarmoured of Trump, I can see a part of what Vanuatu is on about.

I currently read a number of US Newspapers on-line, and I don't see a lot of praise for whatever he's accomplished. Daily reports across all of the papers I read are mostly confined to his frequent gaffes, lies, exagerations and foibles. Who gives a toss whether he drinks six or twenty Diet Cokes per day?

It can't all be bad. What papers should I read to get the other views?
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I don't know what papers you read, or what you should read.  I think that the WSJ editorial page is good.  Generally, editorial page feature more conservative writers than the average rank and file, that does not mean that they would like Trump any more or less, but that they approach it from a different angle.

One thing that social conservatives (religious) conservatives like about Trump has to do with those he has appointed.  Supreme Court Justices, 'Employment' committee, you generally don't hear about some of the cabinet members, and some you hear about because you would hear about anyone in that position, because the teacher's unions believe they own that position (education).  I don't hear about the black doctor who was a Presidential candidate and is running Health and Human Services.  I don't know if that is because he is doing a fair job (no news is good news), or just if in the general roar about the Trump administration, complaints about him, (I forget his name), get drowned out.  I suspect a little of both.

But in order to understand why the social conservatives, (that are more from neglected rural America), you need to understand the culture wars.  A couple of things about the culture wars, first of all, the presentation of the culture wars is biased, pro-liberal, urban, generous governmental support structure, versus Social conservative, rural, self-reliance and religious community as is fitting for someone living in the middle of "nowhere."  The urban base has a bully pulpit to preach from, and beat down others.  It should be understood that "generous government support structure" is build in and gives advantages to cities, but takes its tax base from everyone including the rural conservatives.  The rural social-conservative doesn't necessarily mind funding a cancer ward in the city, because it is a good cause and because people in the country might go to it, although it means no jobs for rural folks.  But funding community basketball, or a (liberal) dance troupe, or at art co-op.  Those kind of cause do not benefit the rural conservatives beliefs, and might in fact promote others alien causes, as matters 'of course', unquestioned and unquestionable, to the detriment of the conservative views, and in deed, to their very real (tax) expense.
Second of all, what the conservative wants is generally a negative, a want to be free from, they don't see the progress of society, and some want to get off, or at least have the ability to descent, it is not that that they have a program in specific in mind, it is that in the country side, one relies on family, friends and church and civic organizations, and those too get the job done.  Getting big government to do it, may seem like a short cut, but in the long run it often destroys the social fabric, which it purports to support.  The fact is that countryside cannot become like the city, because the city is hemiparasitic.  It self generate its own energy, but it also takes a lot from the rural life, in terms of brain-drain, tax funds. ect. 
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Wall Street Journal, sorry I usually try to avoid abbreviations, and TLAs (Three Letter Acronyms, TLA itself being a Three Letter Acronym).  "What is a a TLA?"  somebody asks.  Someone answers "a TLA is a three letter acronym," first person says, "yes I know TLA is a three letter acronym, but what does it stand for?"

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It seems that the most important thing on Trumps mind lately is the Taxation Bill.
Luckily for him it's about to be brought ito the law, and he, personally, and along with many other very rich people, stand to make a very lot of money.

Makes me wonder about conflicts of interest, but they don't seem to exist in the USA. Nor do conciences.


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I guess that we just feel that people are "innocent" until proven guilty, and that they should be convicted if the evidence warrants such a conclusion.  Or we could always convict someone based on innuendo.  If that is what you 'feel' we should do??  If we Americans truly did not have consciences, we could set up a Committee of Public Safety, and let the guillotine sing.  Why quibble about details when we always, already know the correct answer?

First the sentence!  Then the trial!  The red queen said.

But if it makes you feel good to condemn America, by all means do so.  But, don't mistake such a proclamation for constructive criticism.  If you actually want to help the situation, that is a different matter. 
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I guess that we just feel that people are "innocent" until proven guilty, and that they should be convicted if the evidence warrants such a conclusion.  Or we could always convict someone based on innuendo.  If that is what you 'feel' we should do??  If we Americans truly did not have consciences, we could set up a Committee of Public Safety, and let the guillotine sing.  Why quibble about details when we always, already know the correct answer?

First the sentence!  Then the trial!  The red queen said.

But if it makes you feel good to condemn America, by all means do so.  But, don't mistake such a proclamation for constructive criticism.  If you actually want to help the situation, that is a different matter. 
 

I repeat, for the umpteenth time, I am not anti-American. Your President has multiple conflicts of interest in relation to his business dealings.

Maybe, just maybe, the American public will overlook this issue, as they also get a little from the bill, but Trump et al will make millions.

Is this not a conflict of interest, when the President has a bill passed by which he personally will profit greatly? He does this while the victims of Hurrican Katrina, at least the poorest of them, still live in damaged houses, and Puerto Ricans are in much the same situation, is this not a lack of concience?

It would have been far more conscionable had the tax cuts been available only to those who earn less than a certain figure per annum, wouldn't it?


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I am not saying that Donald Trump has a conscience, you said that conflicts of interest and consciences weren't to be found in the USA (I paraphrase).  Look at what you wrote.  

Donald Trump, as I have said elsewhere, has sociopathic tendencies.  But then again, so do a fair number of very successful businessmen of the dog eat dog school of business.  I think that his followers are deluding themselves.  I don't think that blindly carrying out campaign promises makes a good president.   The President is supposed to be able to adapt to the situation, Trump seems to want to adapt the situation to himself.

I once had a friend who had a brother who did one of those psychological tests of putting the square peg in the square hole.  His brother pounded the square peg into the round hole.  The school psychologist, must have had a sense of humor, he said my friend's brother had an anger issue, but otherwise was normal.  Trump reminds me of such a kid, pounding the square peg into the round hole.  Of course, doing so jams it in there, and ruins the test for future use, at least until you can pry out the peg.  Trump doesn't care if things get bent out of shape, and the Republican congress is right now, riding a tiger, they don't really want to be on the tiger, but neither do they really want to get off.

I blame the democrats, if they had had a normal nomination process with several viable candidates, instead of all being intimated by the Clintons, and having only one anointed candidate.  If they had actually had a strategy that worked the state by state basis of our elections, instead of just concentrating on urban areas.  Hillary did get 2 million more voters, but that is not how our electoral system works.  It doesn't matter whether you win California by, say, 1 million voters, or by 5000, a win is a win, winner take all per state.  Small states also have more representation for the population, than large states for the same population.

Once upon a time there was a fox, that got caught in the brambles, and thus became infested with ticks.  Along came a raccoon, and having some sympathy for the poor fox, asked the fox if he, the raccoon, might remove the ticks for him.  The fox said, "no, please don't, you see these ticks are almost full, and if you remove them others will take their place, which would be the death of me, 'cause, they would suck me dry."  Barack Obama and Hillary too were the old ticks, I see with them the damage was already done, and they wouldn't of done much more if Hillary had been elected, especially with a Republican Congress.  Donald Trump, however, is a much bigger tick, hungry for more.  The Clintons were corrupt, but their appetite was in the 100s of millions of dollars, whereas Trump once upon a time may have been a billionaire, and wants to get back to that point, through hook or crook, and the fact that he won't share his tax return, to me says that he doesn't want anyone to know where his money came from, or will be coming from in the future.
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Quote Makes me wonder about conflicts of interest, but they don't seem to exist in the USA. Nor do conciences.

Now what? Will you argue that Trump wont benefit from the new Tax Laws?

Will you argue that he has no conflicts of interest vis a vis his business interests?

Will you argue that placement of his children and son-in-law doesn't place him in a position of conflict of interests?

Will you argue that a person of good concience would pass legislation that he will prosper from?



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If you are an official and you have a "conflict of interest," you are supposed to recuse yourself.  Donald Trump definitely does not do that, ever.  What is supposed to happen if someone does not do that, I have no idea.  Usually, someone recuses themselves from a conflict of interest, so that the decision, of the court, of the Senate, whatever, is not undermined.  But, Donald Trump with his grandiose ego is not concerned with that.  Donald Trump may want to un-make Barack Obama's legacy, but his own will be on very shaky ground.  Not that Obama's was that solid either.  The democrats abused their position in power during their 'leadership,' now the pendulum has seemed to have swung (too far) in the other direction.  Barack Obama was the most radical member of the Senate, and did not serve a full term before being elected on a feel-good whim by the American people.  All of a sudden, one could prove that one wasn't prejudiced by electing a black man who had no experience by which he could be judged.  Of course, proving that one is not prejudiced in a vote, is itself prejudiced.  Judge by the content of the character, not by the color of his skin. It has been awhile since judges had to have "no footsteps" in order to be nominated, no controversial decisions, no track record.  Now we have that with first Barack Obama, and in another way with Donald Trump.
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It (this discussion) has nothing at all to do with skin colour or experience. It's about a man who seems to think that he can do whatever he wants, without answering to anybody.

He's never heard of the concept of "being elected to serve, not rule."

I know Trump is politically inexperienced, but that's no excuse. If his advisors aren't telling him of the expectations of his office, and how to go about his duties, they should be!!!

I have a feeling that whatever his advisors tell him, Trump goes his own merry way-regardless of the consequences.

Recently, he's stuck his nose into the affairs of Isreal/Palestine, and in the UN, his representative has issued a very thinly veiled threat that "names will be taken" of those who oppose the US in the UN.

I feel for the American people who have sadly elected this man, as someone famous once said, "Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do."
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There are two main strategies for appointment of Cabinet officials, the first is to appoint the best experts you can and let them fight it out, if need be.  Trump has recruited some very good people from the military, which is something he seems to respect.  The other way is to recruit "yes-men" who will tell the president what he wants to hear.  This is what Trump tried to do with the (former) FBI director, have him swear a personal loyalty oath, or that is what it seems.  A lot of professional state department people and EPA scientists are retiring, because the administration seems antagonistic to them, I say "seems," but there is no doubt in the minds of the professionals retiring.  The EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) head has been an open critic of the EPA in the past, I don't remember if he has gone so far as call for its abolition, but he definitely wants to gut it.

Unfortunately politics in America has a lot to do with race.  The media calls some of Trump's comments, "dog whistles" for the white supremacists, in other words, a message for them, which they only can hear.  i think there is a great deal of truth to that.  Trump lost a lawsuit saying that he violated equal opportunity in housing, by discriminating against blacks.  He never admitted fault, but lost the case, and paid the penalty.  I don't think Trump is racist, specifically.  I think he thought black tenants would lower his property values, and so his people screened them out, when they applied.  His prejudice is not "against black" but, "for green."  But Trump got a lot of mileage on the Birther debate, and against Obama, part of that is that Obama is the most radical president we have ever had, and America is a lot more conservative than the coasts will admit.  By conservative, I don't mean racists.  Fact is, most Hispanics and Blacks, even though they vote democratic, are actually quite conservative in their values, particularly religion.

got to shut up for now, not sure I finished the thought, but lost what I was going to say<grin>.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I am not saying that Donald Trump has a conscience, you said that conflicts of interest and consciences weren't to be found in the USA (I paraphrase).  Look at what you wrote.  

Donald Trump, as I have said elsewhere, has sociopathic tendencies.  But then again, so do a fair number of very successful businessmen of the dog eat dog school of business.  
Quote Since you are qualified to make psychiatric evaluations why didn't you notice what a loser Hillary was? You never complained about Obama much either. Your bias and niche-worship has blinded you to common sense.


Quote I think that his followers are deluding themselves.
So you were a Hillary/Obama follower? Stop making practical thinking demonic, your spirit is crushed by Trump's lack of failure. You are demolished by low enemployment and great 401k earnings. You don't care that stock market and consumer confidence is up. Maybe none of that effects you and you are just concerned with your personal distaste.

Quote I don't think that blindly carrying out campaign promises makes a good president.   The President is supposed to be able to adapt to the situation, Trump seems to want to adapt the situation to himself.
Yea just blindly doing what he was elected to do, lol you reject progress rather than admit any success. He doesn't need your approval or the liberal press, who incidentally toyomotor do LIE about how many people show up to see Trump and then admit that they deserve to be scorned for NOT DOING their JOB.
Trump should be ashamed for calling the shots. He needs to learn a good kowtow like Obama. Who is now being investigated for giving a green light to HAMAS to sell drugs. Looking the other way to keep his bought -off and nuclear armed Iran intact. So I wouldn't toss him up to history yet, or Hillary, today isn't done with them.




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I thought Obama was a mistake in many ways, I feel that Hilary would have been a mistake in many ways, but not to the extent that I think Trump is a mistake.  Obama handled the 2008 meltdown fairly well, although I have a problem with the whole notion of "too big to fail."  But, Obama was otherwise in many ways anti-business, berating Wall Street from the bully pulpit of the Presidency.  So I would expect Wall Street to act towards in anyone else in a positive manner.  I don't see Trump _doing_ anything in the way of promoting sound economic policy, in fact the opposite in cancelling joint agreements.  He has done some stunts, like getting Pence to give the air conditioner company in Indiana sweetheart deals, so half the union workers can keep their jobs, (but just the union workers).  That is not a substitute for a comprehensive policy on the economy.  But, no, you didn't know me when Obama was elected, and for sake of argument, let's say that Obama was an accident, but there is no use crying over spilled milk.  Donald Trump is an accident that is happening right now, and we can either mitigate the damage, or we can fantasize that such a vicious and small-minded man is good thing.  Maybe you justify such viciousness, saying that everybody deserves it.  Perhaps you are right, perhaps we get the president we deserve, and that worries me.
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Well I would list some of Trump's economic successes and his policies towards regulation. A lot has happened since Pence and the air conditioners and your omissions are just as dishonest as any lie Trump ever told.

I could explain that poor people are not paying taxes in the US and Trump hasn't changed that fact.

Why bother? You'll say "Oh I don't know..." and you don't bc you are only interested in negative things to say about Trump just like the liberal media and the dnc and let's add Mueller's FBI to that list, where lovers can save the world from elected officials but they can not keep their oaths.

Accidental like Hillary's nomination and Obama's presidency.

Yes I knew you in 2015 when Seymour Hirsch (NYT) was reporting on the Al Nusra ratline used by Hillary's state department to funnel nerve gas to the so called opposition of Assad in Syria. Samples of what was reported as Assad's used gas were identical the US's own supply that was delivered by Obama's white house into Syria.

You said virtually nothing about Obama and wouldn't even discuss Benghazi. 

We didn't deserve Obama and you decline to list all of the calamitous effects of Trump's accidental presidency. You do find many opportunities to discredit him with personal dislike and how sure you are that all of his presidency will be "damage" but no facts. Just whining ,fake news, lack of knowledge current events. You say a lot then you say you don't know.
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What omissions?  I do not read the Newspaper, or follow a news program, I occasionally catch something that my mom watches, and sometimes I listen to NPR in the car, but usually I listen to talking books, or lecture courses in the car.  I do get headlines from the WSJ, and mom likes to read to me articles from her newsmagazines, whether I want her to or not.  I get snippets here and there, often with very good analysis, Shields and Brooks, Krauthammer, but snippets.  So if there are omissions, it is only intentional in that I don't want to spend more time making up for them.

As far as his successes are concerned, I once went to a CIA recruiting presentation (I protested it, but I also wanted to see it.)  At the end of the presentation, the representative said, "you only hear about the CIAs failures, you never hear about its successes."  At which point, I asked him to tell us about some of those successes.  So I ask you, "what about those successes?"  and don't beg off that I already know about them, because I probably don't (whether they are truly positive or not).  Then again, I didn't know about the minutia of Obama's decisions either.

One problem with Donald Trump always shooting his mouth off, is that the media feels compelled to chase after it.  Which means that other things are being done, that should be reported and are not.  I think that Reagan was a master at this, the media getting all alarmed at something he said, the difference however, is that Reagan in general was good natured.  

An accident, not accidental.  Although every presidency is accidental to a certain degree, in that chance plays a role.  

I've read about Seymour Hirsch somewhere, but I don't remember him except as a Clinton crony.  I don't read the New York Times, except sometimes the front page at Starbuck, while waiting for a brew.  I don't find Benghazi particularly interesting, yes, Hillary screwed up, that is part of having power, you screw up, people get killed, hopefully (for others) you learn your lesson.  I saw the movie on Benghazi, I assume it was generally accurate.  Kind of like Black Hawk Down, also in another way, with Black Hawk Down, less than 20 casualties compared to 1000 enemy, and we felt inclined to pull out.  It is not clear there are any superpowers in the world, either people have the way but not the will (US, etc) or the will but not the way (everybody but US and Western Europe).  Four casualties in the old days, would be a mosquito bite, although that one was the ambassador is significant.
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It is so nice that President Trump won the war on Christmas!

How can we tell President Trump true achievements, when he takes credit for _everything_?
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What omissions?  I do not read the Newspaper, or follow a news program, I occasionally catch something that my mom watches, and sometimes I listen to NPR in the car, but usually I listen to talking books, or lecture courses in the car.  I do get headlines from the WSJ, and mom likes to read to me articles from her newsmagazines, whether I want her to or not.  I get snippets here and there, often with very good analysis, Shields and Brooks, Krauthammer, but snippets.  So if there are omissions, it is only intentional in that I don't want to spend more time making up for them.
Maybe if you followed the actual events instead of the ongoing personal attacks you would be forced to reconsider your opinion or your opinions espoused thus far.

Quote As far as his successes are concerned, I once went to a CIA recruiting presentation (I protested it, but I also wanted to see it.)  At the end of the presentation, the representative said, "you only hear about the CIAs failures, you never hear about its successes."  At which point, I asked him to tell us about some of those successes.  So I ask you, "what about those successes?"  and don't beg off that I already know about them, because I probably don't (whether they are truly positive or not).  Then again, I didn't know about the minutia of Obama's decisions either.
I'd love to take the time and the trouble just so you can say "I don't know" if you want to know enlighten yourself. Aren't you listening to someone about politics? Besides Mom's newspapers?

Did your CIA friend tell you that they were very successful and stealthy in dosing people with LSD? :) 

Quote One problem with Donald Trump always shooting his mouth off, is that the media feels compelled to chase after it. 

Like dog & tennis ball.

Quote Which means that other things are being done, that should be reported and are not.  I think that Reagan was a master at this, the media getting all alarmed at something he said, the difference however, is that Reagan in general was good natured.
Lots of things being done and no, Trump is good natured but he doesn't roll over to be politically correct like Obama & rest of the leftist liberal cabal. 

Quote An accident, not accidental.  Although every presidency is accidental to a certain degree, in that chance plays a role.  

I've read about Seymour Hirsch somewhere, but I don't remember him except as a Clinton crony.  I don't read the New York Times, except sometimes the front page at Starbuck, while waiting for a brew.  I don't find Benghazi particularly interesting, yes, Hillary screwed up, that is part of having power, you screw up, people get killed, hopefully (for others) you learn your lesson.  I saw the movie on Benghazi, I assume it was generally accurate.  Kind of like Black Hawk Down, also in another way, with Black Hawk Down, less than 20 casualties compared to 1000 enemy, and we felt inclined to pull out.  It is not clear there are any superpowers in the world, either people have the way but not the will (US, etc) or the will but not the way (everybody but US and Western Europe).  Four casualties in the old days, would be a mosquito bite, although that one was the ambassador is significant.

My bad wrong spelling, Seymour Hersh-

Seymour Hersh: Assad Innocent

• Investigative report demolishes claim that Syrian military gassed own civilians.

By Pete Papaherakles —

A renowned investigative journalist has revealed in a worldwide exposé, which received almost no attention in the United States, that the Obama administration has known all along—and the establishment media has covered up—the fact thatSyrian President Bashar al-Assad never gassed his own people in August 2013. This news comes as Secretary of State John Kerry continues to lie to the American people and the world about Syria in order to gin up support for an overthrow of the government in that Middle Eastern country.

In “The Red Line and the Rat Line,” which was published on April 4 in London Review of Books, which “has the largest circulation of any literary magazine in Europe,” Pulitzer Prize recipient Seymour M. Hersh explains that a sample of the sarin gas used in the August 21 attacks on Ghouta, Syria, was provided to British intelligence at Porton Down, the defense laboratory in Wiltshire, England. Analysis by the Brits proved conclusively that the gas did not match the batches known to exist in the Syrian army’s chemical weapons arsenal.

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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

It is so nice that President Trump won the war on Christmas!

How can we tell President Trump true achievements, when he takes credit for _everything_?

Most people know he is joking although people are saying it A LOT! Do you object?

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half of my heart.” 
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

With age, the second thing to go, is the mind, I don't remember what the first is.
 

It's like Alzheimers, the only person in the world who doesn't know that you've got it, is YOU!!LOL



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It's the Ireland that was born in me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Vanuatu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Dec 2017 at 14:50
Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

It seems that the most important thing on Trumps mind lately is the Taxation Bill.
Luckily for him it's about to be brought ito the law, and he, personally, and along with many other very rich people, stand to make a very lot of money.

Makes me wonder about conflicts of interest, but they don't seem to exist in the USA. Nor do conciences.


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Right toyomotor. Please tell me about the first poor person who paid your salary.

Poor people do not pay taxes in US. In fact you get $2000 ( increased by $1000 for a total 3 grand for poor families) per child back from the government if you worked but still don't owe taxes bc of your income.

Regulations were killing american business and they were leaving for Ireland and building factories overseas. That matters to people who live and work here, again cost of living has been on the rise since the 1970's. 
Wages have stagnated or decreased until this POTUS started to change things. You are not hearing that from CNN. Their audience is academia (shameful standards) people who don't work & students. 

They can't tell the difference between Obama first 100 days and Trump's. *edit



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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

I'm out for a duck!!!http://www.worldhistoria.com/trump-the-important-issues_topic129608_post104615.html" width="1px" height="1px" style="display: none;">

Not sure what a "duck" is.

Can you, toyomotor-tell the difference between Obama's first hundred days & Trump's?

If you are relying on CNN, probably not.
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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

I'm out for a duck!!!http://www.worldhistoria.com/trump-the-important-issues_topic129608_post104615.html" width="1px" height="1px" style="display: none;">

Not sure what a "duck" is.


CNN mocked for airing segment on Trump's soda consumption while NYC faced terror attack

An attempted terrorist attack caused massive chaos during Monday morning’s rush hour in New York City, but some CNN viewers could be in the dark because the network spent an inordinate amount of time covering an anti-Trump story about the president’s soda consumption while details of the chaotic situation unfolded.

At 8:45 a.m. ET a law enforcement official told reporters, including the Associated Press, that a man had a pipe bomb strapped to him when it went off on a New York City subway platform. That was roughly the same time that CNN was in the middle of a segment that featured the chyron, 

“NYT Report: Trump drinks a dozen diet cokes per day,” while a large graphic promoting Tuesday’s Election Night in Alabama took up a significant portion of the screen.  

Viewers quickly took notice. Media crisis guru Yossi Gestetner tweeted, “More than an hour after the pipe-bomb story broke, CNN was busy with Trump’s diet Coke,” while another viewer asked, “Why are you talking about this!”

toyomotor- CNN= idiots. 





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If you are an official and you have a "conflict of interest," you are supposed to recuse yourself.  Donald Trump definitely does not do that, ever.  What is supposed to happen if someone does not do that, I have no idea.  Usually, someone recuses themselves from a conflict of interest, so that the decision, of the court, of the Senate, whatever, is not undermined.  But, Donald Trump with his grandiose ego is not concerned with that.  Donald Trump may want to un-make Barack Obama's legacy, but his own will be on very shaky ground.  Not that Obama's was that solid either.  The democrats abused their position in power during their 'leadership,' now the pendulum has seemed to have swung (too far) in the other direction.  Barack Obama was the most radical member of the Senate, and did not serve a full term before being elected on a feel-good whim by the American people.  All of a sudden, one could prove that one wasn't prejudiced by electing a black man who had no experience by which he could be judged.  Of course, proving that one is not prejudiced in a vote, is itself prejudiced.  Judge by the content of the character, not by the color of his skin. It has been awhile since judges had to have "no footsteps" in order to be nominated, no controversial decisions, no track record.  Now we have that with first Barack Obama, and in another way with Donald Trump.

Tell your highly evolved thoughtful friends who may have been republicans like you during GW Bush admin. that ; Halliburton, Cheney & Bush boys are still raking in profits from invasion of Iraq. 

Never heard a peep from you.

Obozo-No footsteps, no vision, no progress. 


https://www.ft.com/content/7f435f04-8c05-11e2-b001-00144feabdc0

An analysis by the Financial Times reveals the extent to which both American and foreign companies have profited from the conflict – with the top 10 contractors securing business worth at least $72bn between them. None has benefited more than KBR, once known as Kellogg Brown and Root. The controversial former subsidiary of Halliburton, which was once run by Dick Cheney, vice-president to George W. Bush, was awarded at least $39.5bn in federal contracts related to the Iraq war over the past decade.


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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I thought Obama was a mistake in many ways, I feel that Hilary would have been a mistake in many ways, but not to the extent that I think Trump is a mistake.  Obama handled the 2008 meltdown fairly well, although I have a problem with the whole notion of "too big to fail."  But, Obama was otherwise in many ways anti-business, berating Wall Street from the bully pulpit of the Presidency.
I don't follow your logic. How can Obama be anti-business & pro corporate welfare? How did he handle the meltdown? With tax dollars & you know that, so your point is hard to find.

Quote   So I would expect Wall Street to act towards in anyone else in a positive manner.  I don't see Trump _doing_ anything in the way of promoting sound economic policy, in fact the opposite in cancelling joint agreements.
if that is true can you elaborate? Bc I listen to CEO's and business experts on this & they don't agree with you so please enlighten me.

Quote He has done some stunts, like getting Pence to give the air conditioner company in Indiana sweetheart deals, so half the union workers can keep their jobs, (but just the union workers).  That is not a substitute for a comprehensive policy on the economy.
 

Trump was a candidate when he & Mike Pence convinced a large commercial air conditioning manufacturer to stay in the US rather than relocate to Mexico. Trump made it clear that they would be paying 35% tax on every air conditioner they sold once he became POTUS & they believed him. 
You can't tell me about one job that Hillary or Obama created either during their time in office or as private citizens. Obama and Hillary are not here to make the lives of individuals better. They are promoting a one world leveling of every body on the planet except for elites like themselves.

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I believe that the president should not target individual companies for putative measures.  I generally believe in a free market approach which means if labor costs too much in the United States, business will go elsewhere.  Of course, that process can be hampered by protectionist legislation.  But that will also mean that the products will be more expensive.  So you keep some jobs (not all jobs, just some union ones), in the coddling and special treatment of specific businesses by government, but you interfere in the labor market, and you interfere in the price of goods in the market.  In trying to control one aspect of the market, the cost in other respects goes up.  There is no such thing as a free lunch, although to those who resent inherited wealth, it might seem so.  There is a name for "too big to fail" and other practices, "corporate cronyism." that was prevalent with Obama.  Trump is different only in the sense that corporate cronyism is now a reward for doing what he wants, and he seems to want to penalize those who don't do what he wants.  Like I said, he is a bully, Obama could be a bully, but he was not vicious like Trump is.  I think that you, Vanuatu, do not take Trump's viciousness seriously.

No, I don't think he is joking, Donald Trump will take credit for anything positive whether he did it or not.  He will take credit for saving Christmas, although the biggest threat to Christmas is the rampant commercialism.
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