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    Posted: 03 Oct 2017 at 01:16
Okay, these issues are not as important as Trump having two scoops of ice cream, when everyone else got one, but they are pretty important....<grin>

For example, Donald Trump is nicknamed "Pele" by his golf buddies, because he tends to cheat by kicking the ball.  What does it "mean" when such a powerful man is a golf cheat?  inquiring minds want to knowWink

The golf journalist who wrote "Who's Your Caddy?" spent a day with Mr. Trump on one of his golf courses, Trump bragged that his golf course had the biggest artificial waterfall of any golf course in the world, I think the golf journalist just thought it was noisy, loud and distracting.  But apparently that is something that Trump thinks improves a golf course, just like gold plate on an escalator.  It is like owning a rototiller with fins.  
I think that for some people, the fact that Trump is such a violation of aesthetics is the thing that gets to them the most.  And for other people, that is probably what they like about him the most.  It is a bad criteria for president, but then again, cultural snobbery is a bad criteria for opposing someone too.  If the left disliked just Trump as bad taste, one could understand.  But, the fact is the left (and the media) have always disliked the right.  Maybe if journalism had treated past Republican presidents and candidates with some semblance of respect, people would see the treatment of President Trump as something other than knee-jerk reflexes the left always has towards anyone they deem too "radical" right for their tastes.  For the "liberal" philosopher John Dewey, Leon Trotsky was not beyond the pale.  There is nothing beyond the pale on the left, for the left, just fellow travelers, whether they be Comrade Trotsky or the velvet underground (not the band).
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Franciscosan wrote
Quote For example, Donald Trump is nicknamed "Pele" by his golf buddies, because he tends to cheat by kicking the ball.  

And you're surprised?
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Really? You two need another thread for this BS?
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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Really? You two need another thread for this BS?

C'mon, my post was tongue in cheek. After all, Franky posted the topic as The "Important" Issues.

Quite frankly, as you will have noticed, I'm fed up with Trump. Well, mostly. Wink


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Since we are talking about "IMPORTANT" things, franciscosan should check his points & so should YOU!

Trump made fun of NYT reporter who has some kind of Palsy.

Trump said regarding McCain that "I like people who don't get captured". You can show me where he made fun of McCain's war injuries, please.

Ok? Mr. oh I just edited your post while neglecting all the screw ups in my own writing.

See? Fun right? Are we having fun?


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I don't think that I said Donald Trump made fun of McCann's injuries, Trump made fun of McCann's capture and status as a hero.  I also don't think that it was just luck of the draw that Donald Trump did not serve, there was no danger then nor any danger now that Donald Trump would do anything risky (to himself) or heroic.  Of course, he is an old man, so I would not expect him to do so.  People might make a mistake in believing that he would take risks, because he is a bit of a bully and he can stage things like WWC fights, but real danger, no.

But, McCann supported the candidate who won the nomination, Donald Trump, despite Trump's rudeness.  After that, well the legislative is an equal department of government, and McCann is not going to check his intelligence at the door.  McCann is not picking a general fight with Trump, but with specific issues, and Trump cannot but help but believe that any disagreement with him, is disloyalty.  I don't think that it is personal for McCann, it is personal, and always personal to that wanna-be feudal lord, Donald Trump.

But not being anything in the Republican party, I can be less forgiving towards Trump for mocking John McCann than John McCann can.

I think that McCann knows what it is like when it is bad, and so if he doesn't think Trump is that bad, nor did he think it was necessary to do anything and everything to win against Obama (Obama was not that bad either, compared to the Hanoi Hilton.)  McCann believes in the process, a particular candidate may be bad, relatively speaking, but they are not bad enough to throw out the process (which means the constitution). 

But, we are here for *serious* matters:(  It is traditional to have a presidential dog, and I think that Donald needs one to humanize himself a little.  In an editorial in the High Country News (Newspaper of the West), there was a editorial that said Donald should get a Pomeranian, to match his hair.  But maybe it is good that he doesn't have a dog, dogs take people away from their egotism.  And if Donald got away from his egotism, I am not sure where he would go.

Has President Trump yet endorsed a candy?  For the Gipper it was jelly beans.
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Quote  You can show me where he made fun of McCain's war injuries, please.

From http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/28/donald-trump-fire-reportedly-physically-mocking-john-mccain/
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John McCain’s daughter has criticised Donald Trump amid allegations that the President has taken to physically mocking her father, who is stricken with cancer and suffered life-long injuries as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

Mr Trump has reportedly been imitating the thumbs down motion made by Mr McCain, a Republican Senator for Arizona, when he cast a no vote for his party’s bill to repeal Obamacare in July.

The military veteran is unable to move his arms above his head, the legacy of being shot down over Vietnam, tortured and held as a prisoner for five years.

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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Vanuatu wrote
Quote  You can show me where he made fun of McCain's war injuries, please.

From http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/28/donald-trump-fire-reportedly-physically-mocking-john-mccain/
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John McCain’s daughter has criticised Donald Trump amid allegations that the President has taken to physically mocking her father, who is stricken with cancer and suffered life-long injuries as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

Mr Trump has reportedly been imitating the thumbs down motion made by Mr McCain, a Republican Senator for Arizona, when he cast a no vote for his party’s bill to repeal Obamacare in July.

The military veteran is unable to move his arms above his head, the legacy of being shot down over Vietnam, tortured and held as a prisoner for five years.


EVERYONE is now officially  banned from using THUMBS DOWN. Megan McCain might be imagining things, I still haven't seen it.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I don't think that I said Donald Trump made fun of McCann's injuries, Trump made fun of McCann's capture and status as a hero.  I also don't think that it was just luck of the draw that Donald Trump did not serve, there was no danger then nor any danger now that Donald Trump would do anything risky (to himself) or heroic.  Of course, he is an old man, so I would not expect him to do so.  People might make a mistake in believing that he would take risks, because he is a bit of a bully and he can stage things like WWC fights, but real danger, no.

But, McCann supported the candidate who won the nomination, Donald Trump, despite Trump's rudeness.  After that, well the legislative is an equal department of government, and McCann is not going to check his intelligence at the door.  McCann is not picking a general fight with Trump, but with specific issues, and Trump cannot but help but believe that any disagreement with him, is disloyalty.  I don't think that it is personal for McCann, it is personal, and always personal to that wanna-be feudal lord, Donald Trump.

But not being anything in the Republican party, I can be less forgiving towards Trump for mocking John McCann than John McCann can.

I think that McCann knows what it is like when it is bad, and so if he doesn't think Trump is that bad, nor did he think it was necessary to do anything and everything to win against Obama (Obama was not that bad either, compared to the Hanoi Hilton.)  McCann believes in the process, a particular candidate may be bad, relatively speaking, but they are not bad enough to throw out the process (which means the constitution). 

But, we are here for *serious* matters:(  It is traditional to have a presidential dog, and I think that Donald needs one to humanize himself a little.  In an editorial in the High Country News (Newspaper of the West), there was a editorial that said Donald should get a Pomeranian, to match his hair.  But maybe it is good that he doesn't have a dog, dogs take people away from their egotism.  And if Donald got away from his egotism, I am not sure where he would go.

Has President Trump yet endorsed a candy?  For the Gipper it was jelly beans.
The self centered part of Trump is the natural politician in him. Tell me about all the selfless politicians and CEO's that you know. You can't say John McCann, we know.

It's not fair to adopt a pet unless you know you can devote some time to their care and also emotional attachment needs reinforcement every day. 
This POTUS actually works. No time. He should get his son Baron a dog after the way the media has  traumatized him. I'd go with the working dogs, Border Collie.

Oh yes McCann knows bad when he see it and he's not hysterical so why isn't that enough for Mitch McConnell?

In what way Feudal? Jobs, tax plan, the wall -all ideas he ran on it's pro American & competitive. How is it Feudal? 
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David Brooks at one time referred to Donald Trump's way of running his business, as a family business, and demanding absolute loyalty as feudal.  It is descriptive of the way Trump runs the Whitehouse (or wants to run the Whitehouse) compared to other administrations, and how Trump runs his businesses.  Trump seems to have a rigid "us" (me) or "them" mentality.  Trump is the lord, (or 'the Don') and everyone else is either with him, or against him.  Now there are definitely some people in the media that are against him, but that is true of most any Republican presidency, but most act like ducks, and let the water run off their backs.  Maybe if "the Don" acted more like a Duck, he wouldn't have to worry about Mickey Mouse reporters. Clap
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I'll leave his rigidity to Mrs POTUS.
He's honest about being a liar, he is an open book even when he is lying. All economic indicators are good save recent employment drop attributed to the hit after hit by hurricanes. He is good for something and I won't say that about Obama or Hillary. I would admit that while Bill Clinton was POTUS I made the most money of my life comparatively. 

How important is perspective? I recognize that the audience seeing ANTIFA start fires and assault people would have been horrified by the police reactions to demonstrations against the war in Vietnam. Compared to the Johnson and Nixon administrations this guy has No Secrets! 
Isn't that worth something in the age of near reality?
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1.  I tend to agree with you. Trump is a liar and leaves no doubt of that fact.

2. You say that he is good for something-are we talking private or public. If it's the former, I doubt if FLOTUS shares that view, going  by some of her public reactions to him.

3. Again, in fairness, I have to agree with you. We hear and read a lot about his lies, twitters and false truth, but very little as to what he's achieving which may just benefit ordinary Americans.

He's a lying buffoon in public, but perhaps, just perhaps, he is making some headway in "Making America Great Again". I simply don't know.

There is in politics, a need for Hawks and for Doves, and knowing which bird to fly at any particular time is a skill he needs to learn.


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