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Okay, these issues are not as important as Trump having two scoops of ice cream, when everyone else got one, but they are pretty important....<grin>

For example, Donald Trump is nicknamed "Pele" by his golf buddies, because he tends to cheat by kicking the ball.  What does it "mean" when such a powerful man is a golf cheat?  inquiring minds want to knowWink

The golf journalist who wrote "Who's Your Caddy?" spent a day with Mr. Trump on one of his golf courses, Trump bragged that his golf course had the biggest artificial waterfall of any golf course in the world, I think the golf journalist just thought it was noisy, loud and distracting.  But apparently that is something that Trump thinks improves a golf course, just like gold plate on an escalator.  It is like owning a rototiller with fins.  
I think that for some people, the fact that Trump is such a violation of aesthetics is the thing that gets to them the most.  And for other people, that is probably what they like about him the most.  It is a bad criteria for president, but then again, cultural snobbery is a bad criteria for opposing someone too.  If the left disliked just Trump as bad taste, one could understand.  But, the fact is the left (and the media) have always disliked the right.  Maybe if journalism had treated past Republican presidents and candidates with some semblance of respect, people would see the treatment of President Trump as something other than knee-jerk reflexes the left always has towards anyone they deem too "radical" right for their tastes.  For the "liberal" philosopher John Dewey, Leon Trotsky was not beyond the pale.  There is nothing beyond the pale on the left, for the left, just fellow travelers, whether they be Comrade Trotsky or the velvet underground (not the band).
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Quote For example, Donald Trump is nicknamed "Pele" by his golf buddies, because he tends to cheat by kicking the ball.  

And you're surprised?
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Really? You two need another thread for this BS?
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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Really? You two need another thread for this BS?

C'mon, my post was tongue in cheek. After all, Franky posted the topic as The "Important" Issues.

Quite frankly, as you will have noticed, I'm fed up with Trump. Well, mostly. Wink


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Since we are talking about "IMPORTANT" things, franciscosan should check his points & so should YOU!

Trump made fun of NYT reporter who has some kind of Palsy.

Trump said regarding McCain that "I like people who don't get captured". You can show me where he made fun of McCain's war injuries, please.

Ok? Mr. oh I just edited your post while neglecting all the screw ups in my own writing.

See? Fun right? Are we having fun?


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I don't think that I said Donald Trump made fun of McCann's injuries, Trump made fun of McCann's capture and status as a hero.  I also don't think that it was just luck of the draw that Donald Trump did not serve, there was no danger then nor any danger now that Donald Trump would do anything risky (to himself) or heroic.  Of course, he is an old man, so I would not expect him to do so.  People might make a mistake in believing that he would take risks, because he is a bit of a bully and he can stage things like WWC fights, but real danger, no.

But, McCann supported the candidate who won the nomination, Donald Trump, despite Trump's rudeness.  After that, well the legislative is an equal department of government, and McCann is not going to check his intelligence at the door.  McCann is not picking a general fight with Trump, but with specific issues, and Trump cannot but help but believe that any disagreement with him, is disloyalty.  I don't think that it is personal for McCann, it is personal, and always personal to that wanna-be feudal lord, Donald Trump.

But not being anything in the Republican party, I can be less forgiving towards Trump for mocking John McCann than John McCann can.

I think that McCann knows what it is like when it is bad, and so if he doesn't think Trump is that bad, nor did he think it was necessary to do anything and everything to win against Obama (Obama was not that bad either, compared to the Hanoi Hilton.)  McCann believes in the process, a particular candidate may be bad, relatively speaking, but they are not bad enough to throw out the process (which means the constitution). 

But, we are here for *serious* matters:(  It is traditional to have a presidential dog, and I think that Donald needs one to humanize himself a little.  In an editorial in the High Country News (Newspaper of the West), there was a editorial that said Donald should get a Pomeranian, to match his hair.  But maybe it is good that he doesn't have a dog, dogs take people away from their egotism.  And if Donald got away from his egotism, I am not sure where he would go.

Has President Trump yet endorsed a candy?  For the Gipper it was jelly beans.
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Quote  You can show me where he made fun of McCain's war injuries, please.

From http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/28/donald-trump-fire-reportedly-physically-mocking-john-mccain/
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John McCain’s daughter has criticised Donald Trump amid allegations that the President has taken to physically mocking her father, who is stricken with cancer and suffered life-long injuries as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

Mr Trump has reportedly been imitating the thumbs down motion made by Mr McCain, a Republican Senator for Arizona, when he cast a no vote for his party’s bill to repeal Obamacare in July.

The military veteran is unable to move his arms above his head, the legacy of being shot down over Vietnam, tortured and held as a prisoner for five years.

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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

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Quote  You can show me where he made fun of McCain's war injuries, please.

From http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/28/donald-trump-fire-reportedly-physically-mocking-john-mccain/
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John McCain’s daughter has criticised Donald Trump amid allegations that the President has taken to physically mocking her father, who is stricken with cancer and suffered life-long injuries as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

Mr Trump has reportedly been imitating the thumbs down motion made by Mr McCain, a Republican Senator for Arizona, when he cast a no vote for his party’s bill to repeal Obamacare in July.

The military veteran is unable to move his arms above his head, the legacy of being shot down over Vietnam, tortured and held as a prisoner for five years.


EVERYONE is now officially  banned from using THUMBS DOWN. Megan McCain might be imagining things, I still haven't seen it.
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I don't think that I said Donald Trump made fun of McCann's injuries, Trump made fun of McCann's capture and status as a hero.  I also don't think that it was just luck of the draw that Donald Trump did not serve, there was no danger then nor any danger now that Donald Trump would do anything risky (to himself) or heroic.  Of course, he is an old man, so I would not expect him to do so.  People might make a mistake in believing that he would take risks, because he is a bit of a bully and he can stage things like WWC fights, but real danger, no.

But, McCann supported the candidate who won the nomination, Donald Trump, despite Trump's rudeness.  After that, well the legislative is an equal department of government, and McCann is not going to check his intelligence at the door.  McCann is not picking a general fight with Trump, but with specific issues, and Trump cannot but help but believe that any disagreement with him, is disloyalty.  I don't think that it is personal for McCann, it is personal, and always personal to that wanna-be feudal lord, Donald Trump.

But not being anything in the Republican party, I can be less forgiving towards Trump for mocking John McCann than John McCann can.

I think that McCann knows what it is like when it is bad, and so if he doesn't think Trump is that bad, nor did he think it was necessary to do anything and everything to win against Obama (Obama was not that bad either, compared to the Hanoi Hilton.)  McCann believes in the process, a particular candidate may be bad, relatively speaking, but they are not bad enough to throw out the process (which means the constitution). 

But, we are here for *serious* matters:(  It is traditional to have a presidential dog, and I think that Donald needs one to humanize himself a little.  In an editorial in the High Country News (Newspaper of the West), there was a editorial that said Donald should get a Pomeranian, to match his hair.  But maybe it is good that he doesn't have a dog, dogs take people away from their egotism.  And if Donald got away from his egotism, I am not sure where he would go.

Has President Trump yet endorsed a candy?  For the Gipper it was jelly beans.
The self centered part of Trump is the natural politician in him. Tell me about all the selfless politicians and CEO's that you know. You can't say John McCann, we know.

It's not fair to adopt a pet unless you know you can devote some time to their care and also emotional attachment needs reinforcement every day. 
This POTUS actually works. No time. He should get his son Baron a dog after the way the media has  traumatized him. I'd go with the working dogs, Border Collie.

Oh yes McCann knows bad when he see it and he's not hysterical so why isn't that enough for Mitch McConnell?

In what way Feudal? Jobs, tax plan, the wall -all ideas he ran on it's pro American & competitive. How is it Feudal? 
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David Brooks at one time referred to Donald Trump's way of running his business, as a family business, and demanding absolute loyalty as feudal.  It is descriptive of the way Trump runs the Whitehouse (or wants to run the Whitehouse) compared to other administrations, and how Trump runs his businesses.  Trump seems to have a rigid "us" (me) or "them" mentality.  Trump is the lord, (or 'the Don') and everyone else is either with him, or against him.  Now there are definitely some people in the media that are against him, but that is true of most any Republican presidency, but most act like ducks, and let the water run off their backs.  Maybe if "the Don" acted more like a Duck, he wouldn't have to worry about Mickey Mouse reporters. Clap
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I'll leave his rigidity to Mrs POTUS.
He's honest about being a liar, he is an open book even when he is lying. All economic indicators are good save recent employment drop attributed to the hit after hit by hurricanes. He is good for something and I won't say that about Obama or Hillary. I would admit that while Bill Clinton was POTUS I made the most money of my life comparatively. 

How important is perspective? I recognize that the audience seeing ANTIFA start fires and assault people would have been horrified by the police reactions to demonstrations against the war in Vietnam. Compared to the Johnson and Nixon administrations this guy has No Secrets! 
Isn't that worth something in the age of near reality?
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1.  I tend to agree with you. Trump is a liar and leaves no doubt of that fact.

2. You say that he is good for something-are we talking private or public. If it's the former, I doubt if FLOTUS shares that view, going  by some of her public reactions to him.

3. Again, in fairness, I have to agree with you. We hear and read a lot about his lies, twitters and false truth, but very little as to what he's achieving which may just benefit ordinary Americans.

He's a lying buffoon in public, but perhaps, just perhaps, he is making some headway in "Making America Great Again". I simply don't know.

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President Trump has gone golfing 52 times since January.  That's good isn't it?  On the campaign trail he said that he would not have time for golfing, because he, unlike Obama and his golfing, would be too busy leading the country.

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I don't think I need go further than agreeing with you.

I stand by the comments that I've made about this bufoon in the past.
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There is no need to agree, or disagree, it is not a matter of opinion, it is a factual statement that he has gone golfing 52 times.  And maybe that is good thing, since if he occupies his time golfing, then maybe he'll have less time fighting with the other children.  But I don't know what your concern is, he's not your "buffoon."  I am not sure name calling really helps (although it is a favorite tactic of _some_ people).
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I am not sure name calling really helps (although it is a favorite tactic of _some_ people).

I don't regard it as "name calling", more a description.
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semantics, a rose by any other name, still has thorns.  Potato, Potawto.

My point is not that it isn't descriptive, my point is that it isn't productive.

Trump fans are dug in, because they expect to be shot at.  Which is a lot of fun for radicals and hotheads, but not productive.
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Mao Tse Tung's policies had resulted in the deaths of 10s of millions, yet Nixon could work with him.  What would have happened if rhetoric had kept them from getting along?  Mao did not mind that Nixon had some difficulties at home called Watergate, I mean the Chinese didn't understand, it is not like Nixon imprisoned or executed anybody.s  But if we get descriptive, Mao was a mass murderer, and Nixon was a crook.  I suggest getting past the "descriptions" which may cloak the reality.
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What's "Tricky Dick" got to do with my description of the Bufoon?
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If Mao got caught up in the description of Nixon as "tricky," maybe the agreements that Mao and Nixon made would not have happened, if Mao's "human" rights record got in the way, it wouldn't have happened either.  Buffoon, "tricky" so forth are name calling designed to define the individual in a bad light so they can be less effective at leading.  Less effective (productive) to do positive things, less effective to do negative things, less effective to act because basically people are shooting suppressive fire.
For somethings I don't care about the press acting like monkeys on the monkey island, slinging sh--,
but for other things like North Korea, I think we need a president who is not distracted, by "descriptions" like crooked Hillary that don't add up to anything substantial, or Buffoon which is not productive, just destructive.
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Does anybody remember Scooter Libby?  Someone on Vice President Cheney's staff, who lied or did something like that, and got caught, and took the fall, I think over revealing that Ms _____ was CIA.  But the point is, he was disposable, you have people, that if things go South, who are disposable in the scheme of things.  That insulates the people who have the real power.  
Well in the feudal world of the Donald Trump administration, you don't have that, instead of giving such a job to someone who is disposable, paranoia means that you trust only people who are close to you, personally close, and emotionally close, like Son-in-law Jared Kushner.  In a normal administration, such contacts we would be farmed out to someone disposable, like an Colonel Ollie North.  It is not that the administration would want Colonel North to twist in the wind, but let's be honest that's what he was there for.  There are ways of arranging dirty tricks so that principals are "out of the loop."  That doesn't seem to be the case with the current Presidency, they have no finesse in hiding that they raided the cookie jar.
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If Mao got caught up in the description of Nixon as "tricky," maybe the agreements that Mao and Nixon made would not have happened, if Mao's "human" rights record got in the way, it wouldn't have happened either.  Buffoon, "tricky" so forth are name calling designed to define the individual in a bad light so they can be less effective at leading.  Less effective (productive) to do positive things, less effective to do negative things, less effective to act because basically people are shooting suppressive fire.
For somethings I don't care about the press acting like monkeys on the monkey island, slinging sh--,
but for other things like North Korea, I think we need a president who is not distracted, by "descriptions" like crooked Hillary that don't add up to anything substantial, or Buffoon which is not productive, just destructive.

Not sure about this idea that Nixon that did anything but run screaming from Vietnam. Ever heard of McNamara? The man is on tape with Nixon, explaining that President Johnson never asked for proof of victory other than kill rates. 

A primitive computer determined that the only possible way to measure victory way enemy kill rates. Nixon is on tape saying that the troops in country could not get the job done, announced a fake-diplomatic breakthrough to save face for the GOP.

Hard to imagine anything less productive than the democrats in 2016. Donna Brazille, interim chair of the DNC had plenty to say about that. DNC & Far Left Loonies can take credit for President Trump


So since you are looking to attack, attack, attack.. then expect the blow back I'm sure you are thriving on it. :) And what's tricky is while liberals were on fire screaming about the impending impeachment and Comey was misleading the public about investigating the Trump campaign- Russia- shenanigans, whoops! Tax Reform. Not one democrat on board. For shame. 
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Nixon showed that communism was not a monolithic solid block, that China and the USSR did not necessarily agree, and had deep founded distrust and historical animosities.  Doing so, he paved the way for Reagan to bankrupt the Soviet Union, by engaging with communism on all fronts.  
I have never looked at the Nixon tapes, at least not on Vietnam.  Kill rates is kind of the joke about Vietnam, but I don't know the history of how it was used.  I think it is interesting how traumatic Vietnam was for the US, while the US probably lost more in traffic fatalities in a year, something like 56,000 dead over 10 years for VN vs. 2-3 million on the NVA side.  

Yeah, we'll figure out soon enough if the tax reform is a good idea, and for who it will be a good idea.  I don't see any screaming about impending impeachment from anyone in the know, just an FBI investigation that is building, and building, and who knows where it will stop.  But, Comey is out of the loop these days, but the investigation like the Energizer Bunny keeps going, and going.

Obama and Hillary are _history_, I mean I am sure they are still politically relevant somewhere, but not really right now in the public discourse.  I guess your argument is that Obama and Hillary were so bad that they justify a train wreck like Donald J. Trump??  Maybe, but we are past that point,  you have Trump, question is, what are you going to do with him?  Make him a Saint? a Messiah,  I know, a deal maker?  How has that been going?  It is everybody else's fault that he insults everyone, and doesn't know what he is doing.  Nothing is ever his fault.  It is like they said in Communist Russia, "We don't make mistakes."  Isn't that a little chilling?  The famine in Ukraine was not a mistake (actually, it _was_ quite intentional from Stalin), what will be Donald's un-mistake?

See, I wonder if some of the religious wack jobs on the right look to Russia, and see how Putin has made Russian Orthodox _the_ state religion, and passed laws to promote "family" values (because Russians were voting with their feet), these wack jobs look at that, and cream their pants, how could they get a theocracy like that going here they ask?  They don't mind it if Trump is in Putin's pocket, in fact they are hopeful he is in Putin's pocket.   Whatever the FBI investigation reveals, does not matter to them, they're in love with Putin anyhow.


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Nixon showed that communism was not a monolithic solid block, that China and the USSR did not necessarily agree, and had deep founded distrust and historical animosities.  Doing so, he paved the way for Reagan to bankrupt the Soviet Union, by engaging with communism on all fronts. 
Who besides you believes this?

Quote I have never looked at the Nixon tapes, at least not on Vietnam.  Kill rates is kind of the joke about Vietnam, but I don't know the history of how it was used.  I think it is interesting how traumatic Vietnam was for the US, while the US probably lost more in traffic fatalities in a year, something like 56,000 dead over 10 years for VN vs. 2-3 million on the NVA side.
Right, now Vietnam is irrelevant and you don't know anything about it. 

Quote Yeah, we'll figure out soon enough if the tax reform is a good idea, and for who it will be a good idea.  I don't see any screaming about impending impeachment from anyone in the know,
then I guess you don't know bc you were screaming (figuratively) about the big_ bad_ Rob Mueller take down-that NEVER HAPPENED.

Quote about the beig just an FBI investigation that is building, and building, and who knows where it will stop.  But, Comey is out of the loop these days, but the investigation like the Energizer Bunny keeps going, and going.
Democrats running on pure hatred that's the energy. There is no end is sight for Hillary & Obama will have more mud on his legacy. People in the "know" ? teehee

Quote Obama and Hillary are _history_, I mean I am sure they are still politically relevant somewhere, but not really right now in the public discourse.  I guess your argument is that Obama and Hillary were so bad that they justify a train wreck like Donald J. Trump??
They tied a bow on the presidency and handed it to Trump. Politically they will continue to degrade the democrat brand. Ask their friends like Donna B.  
A witness has detailed events for FBI, on Clinton handing uranium over to the Russians after pocketing some ca$h. Comey isn't done he'll be back to answer for letting Clinton slide bc gross negligence is not to be couched by "she had no bad intent." Not his jurisdiction to determine intent.
You might be surprised bc you have lost your objectivity.

Quote Maybe, but we are past that point,  you have Trump, question is, what are you going to do with him? 
So do you. What's your plan ?

Quote Make him a Saint? a Messiah,  I know, a deal maker?  How has that been going?  It is everybody else's fault that he insults everyone, and doesn't know what he is doing.  Nothing is ever his fault.  It is like they said in Communist Russia, "We don't make mistakes."  Isn't that a little chilling?  The famine in Ukraine was not a mistake (actually, it _was_ quite intentional from Stalin), what will be Donald's un-mistake?
Deals are great but you won't see that on CNN. It's rhetoric and Hillary's was MUCH SCARIER!

Quote See, I wonder if some of the religious wack jobs on the right look to Russia, and see how Putin has made Russian Orthodox _the_ state religion, and passed laws to promote "family" values (because Russians were voting with their feet), these wack jobs look at that, and cream their pants, how could they get a theocracy like that going here they ask?  They don't mind it if Trump is in Putin's pocket, in fact they are hopeful he is in Putin's pocket.   Whatever the FBI investigation reveals, does not matter to them, they're in love with Putin anyhow.
Hmm funny & sad.
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What is it they say, "every clown has a silver lining"?  But seriously, emphasize the good, discourage the bad, and frankly I trust bureaucratic institutions like the FBI and the State department (in their sphere of expertise), much more than I trust the grand standing.  As far as Trump getting things right, even a stopped clock is right twice a day....   But there are good things coming out of the Trump administration, some of them even because of Trump
  
I didn't know about Hillary and the DNC, but I am not surprised.  Bill and Hillary have always been corrupt.  The question is who is more corrupt, Bill and Hillary or Donald.  Donald has always seemed more overt about it, greasing the wheels for projects.  Donald according to all accounts but his, was not a billionaire when he ran for office, but I wonder if he will be one when he gets done with it.  It is good being the king.  Only thing is, we are a republic, or representative democracy.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

What is it they say, "every clown has a silver lining"?  But seriously, emphasize the good, discourage the bad, and frankly I trust bureaucratic institutions like the FBI and the State department (in their sphere of expertise), much more than I trust the grand standing.  As far as Trump getting things right, even a stopped clock is right twice a day....   But there are good things coming out of the Trump administration, some of them even because of Trump
  
I didn't know about Hillary and the DNC, but I am not surprised.  Bill and Hillary have always been corrupt.  The question is who is more corrupt, Bill and Hillary or Donald.  Donald has always seemed more overt about it, greasing the wheels for projects.  Donald according to all accounts but his, was not a billionaire when he ran for office, but I wonder if he will be one when he gets done with it.  It is good being the king.  Only thing is, we are a republic, or representative democracy.

Seriously what franciscosan? Seriously- you are good at running away from facts.
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I don't see it as "running away from the facts," maybe going overboard with the rhetoric, maybe.

I think you are optimistic about President Trump, whereas I am pessimistic.  The problem with pessimism is that no matter how bad it gets (and it is not bad right now), it can always get worse.

The optimist believes that this is the best of all possible worlds, the pessimist is afraid that the optimist may be right.Cry 

The optimist tends to be disappointed with people (thinking they could or should do better), whereas the pessimist, having a negative view of human nature, can be pleasantly surprised.

One thing about the media, they try to project a sunny nature, but the fact is they expect people to be "better."
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[QUOTE=franciscosan]I don't see it as "running away from the facts," maybe going overboard with the rhetoric, maybe.

I think you are optimistic about President Trump, whereas I am pessimistic.  The problem with pessimism is that no matter how bad it gets (and it is not bad right now), it can always get worse.

The optimist believes that this is the best of all possible worlds, the pessimist is afraid that the optimist may be right.Cry 

The optimist tends to be disappointed with people (thinking they could or should do better), whereas the pessimist, having a negative view of human nature, can be pleasantly surprised.

One thing about the media, they try to project a sunny nature, but the fact is they expect people to be "better."
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I am hardly an optimist about politics! lol
Just can't believe that I like President Trump more than I ever liked him in former public life. He actually gets things done to the extent that he deserves his golf time. 

You looked at democrats and though "oh yeah, that's my team" (Shudder) now -that's courage, real optimism.
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A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist.

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