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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Yes! Glad you kept this title for Important issues Wink

Well, it could turn out important to Trump if she leaves. It would be a bad look, and he needs all of the good looks he can get, doesn't he?Smile
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If you say so. Maybe if all the Hollywood types rub their Oscars and click their heels, they will be whisked away to a dimension where Oprah is president. And I wish them a good journey.
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Wizard of Oz reference.  I don't think we're in Kansas anymore Toto.

Kansas is the land of Aahs.  When you're driving through Kansas and you finally come to the Colorado/Kansas state border, you sigh a sigh of relief, aaah.

A mathematician in the Journal of Irreproducible Results actually proved that Kansas is literally "flatter than a pancake."

But that is neither here nor there as far as the important issues are concerned.

I feel a little bad for Melania, I think that she is bought and paid for, and so Trump can say obnoxious things about her, knowing ultimately that he is protected by a pre-nup, and so if she leaves she won't get anything.  She seems to conscientiously use her position as First Lady, which is more than I can say about him.
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Quote I feel a little bad for Melania, I think that she is bought and paid for, and so Trump can say obnoxious things about her, knowing ultimately that he is protected by a pre-nup, and so if she leaves she won't get anything.  She seems to conscientiously use her position as First Lady, which is more than I can say about him.

I would hesitate at "brought and paid for". It makes her sound like a prostitute, which she clearly isn't. A trophy wife, maybe. And depending on the wording of the pre-nup, if Trump was to be found guilty of infidelity during his marriage to her, the pre-nup could go out the window.

It's a pity that such an attractive lady, probably highly intelligent too, has to put up with an a**hole like Trump.

And, do you really quote the Journal of Irreproducible Results as an irrefutable source of fact?
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Magnify a pancake to the size of Kansas and then compare the two.  Kansas is literally flatter than a pancake.  The mathematics don't lie.

I think Trump treats them, his former wives, as if they were bought and paid for.  I don't think the pre-nup limits him one bit.

She seems like she might be a decent person, on the other hand, 'she made her bed, and now she has to sleep in it.'  (I don't think they are sleeping in the same bedrooms.  That's just what I heard somewhere.
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Well, do you use the Journal as a reference?

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The President of the United States of America is about to embark on a course which will probably be the most important of any recent administration.

He's agreed to meet face to face with Kim Jong Un to discuss the nuclear arms and other issues.

The biggest risk to the outcome of this meeting, I suggest, is Trump himself. At present, North Korea is between a rock and a hard place. But Trump cannot afford to be his usual bombastic self. This is one meeting that will be needed to be handled with silk gloves.

If agreements can be worked out between the two Koreas and the USA, there is a more than even chance that UN restrictions will be lifted, and the overall best outcome would be that Kim becomes Trump's new best friend. A North Korean, for that matter a combined Korean partnership with the US could, within a few years, stifle China's incursions into the South China Sea.

On the other hand, if Kim is merely playing for time, while girding his loins for war with South Korea and the US, he would be playing, IMHO, a fatal game.

Neither Russia nor China would welcome a friendly relationship between the US and North Korea, but, in this case, North Korea and a lot to gain, and a very lot to lose.


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Trump seems to have overlooked the fact that he's in no position to make demands of North Korea before meeting with Kim Jong Un.

If the current attitude prevails, that is, Trump demanding that NK agrees to get rid of it's nukes before any talks, Kim Jong Un could well tell him to get stuffed and that all bets are off. That of course wouldn't help NK very much as UN sanctions would remain in place. Nor would it help the USA, which would, in reality, be left with only two options:-

(a) Return home, tail between legs, maintaining the staus quo; or

(b) Giving Kim Jong Un a set period of time in which to dismantle his nukes, or suffer US military strikes against the missile sites.

Option (a) is simply not on,  it ain't gonna happen!

Option (b) is more problematic, it would take time to organise amongst allies; would put Russia and China into an alliance against the USA and allies; and could be the catalyst for WW3.

The US diplomats will need to tread very carefully, and will possibly have to make some concessions in order to get Kim's full attention. What those concessions could be would be purely speculation. But the US must be prepared to do some horse trading if any agreement is to be reached.

And the USA is not the only interested party of course. South Korea, Japan, China and other Asia/Pacific countries in range of Kim's nukes all have a vested interest in the proceedings.

One of the best outcomes could be unification of the Korean Peninsula, but I don't see that happening any time soon. That one point, in and of itself, could well provoke armed hostilities with China, which would not want US militaria on it's borders-should the relationship develop.

Russia has long been a sponsor of North Korea. It also would not tolerate the US making incursions into it's area of influence.

But there is already a flash point in existence-that being the alleged breaching of UN sanctions by Russia and possibly also by China. If a confrontation takes place over these alleged breaches, all bets would be off.

It's all OK to walk softly and carry a big stick, but there are times when the stick should be covered with velvet.

I'll wait, along with the rest of the world, with bated breath.




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Just read that Trump has fired Rex Tillerson, by Twitter, and also fired an aide who protested the action. It also looks like he has some others in his sights too.

To fire Tillerson now, I think is a big mistake-not the first Trump has made though. Tillerson comes across as the voice of reason and diplomacy, and that's exactly what Trump will need in his forthcoming talks with North Korea, not another sycophantic hawk.

Given Trumps continual lies and erratic behaviour, should Kim Jong Un trust him? I just don't know.


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I think what was said about Teddy Roosevelt, is also true about Trump.
"At every wedding he wanted to be the bride,
at every funeral he wanted to be the corpse."

Donald has to be the center of attention, and cannot stand anyone in the limelight or doing something competently without his involvement.  Now, I don't think Tillerson was that great, but he was involved and trying to get something done.  The State Department has had a whole slue of high level resignations ever since the Trump administration.  The Trump administration has a grudge against the existing State Department and one can only expect the chaos in the state department to go up.
In the '50s there was a purge of experts in the State Department, and as a result the United States failed to understand that Vietnam was a nationalistic movement, rather than a domino in international communism.  Personally, I think the 56,000 American lives is trivial compared to the 3 million Vietnamese, and the following travesty of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.  Destroy the expertise of the State Department, and there can be massive, worldwide ramifications.  One thing about Trump trusting his instincts, he will either be right, or drastically and dramatically wrong.  Of course, he could be wrong, and it might not come back to bite us until years, or even decades later.
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Not being an "insider" I don't know how many of the administrators that he's fired have been left over from the previous administration, but I do know that Trump has created havoc when there is real need for reasoned, diplomatic thinking.

That he has chosen a hawk to replace Rex Tillerson-and the North Koreans will know this-could sway the direction that the talks between Kim and Trump go.

I agree with the comments about Trump. It's "Me, me, me," in whatever he does and says. This attitude is a worry to America's allies as Trump does not present as a leader of the Free World, rather a schoolyard bully. His rationality is under question, no-one really understands his thought processes and apparently, if one tries to steer him onto the correct path, they're fired.

Who's next? Kelly? Don't be surprised, Trumps family is undermining him, so...... 
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Quote Who's next? Kelly? Don't be surprised, Trumps family is undermining him, so......


Not this time, later perhaps-

Quote Updated March 15, 2018 11:58 p.m. ET

Washington girded for further change in President Donald Trump’s administration, as national security adviser H.R. McMaster’s position appeared increasingly precarious and a series of staff departures prompted a U.S. senator to publicly urge the president not to fire his attorney general.

This administration is in self destruct mode, or should I say Trump destruct mode.


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I am sure that you are familiar with how people drowning will climb onto others, pushing them down, drowning them in the process.  Well, Donald Trump is that way, he climbs on top of others, pushing them down in the muck.  The only difference is that Donald Trump is not drowning, he just likes being on top, pushing people down.  He doesn't panic as he climbs on top of others, say, during his many bankruptcies.  He is been through five(?) bankruptcies, but only for the first one or two, was it at all his money.  So, toyomotor, you might say that he is on destruct mode, but if the past is a sign of the future, it isn't himself that he is going to destroy.
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I admit to being somewhat intrigued by his behaviour when he first hit the campaign trail, I expected him to be different from his TV persona. But boy, was I wrong?

Without flogging the dead horse, it seems that every post in his administration will be filled by Trump sycophants only! Given his personality, I see this as being highly dangerous, and certainly not in the best interests of the USA.

He cannot be unaware of the fact that old friends and allies are concerned about his behaviour, and he cannot expect their support for much longer.

The best thing that could happen, IMO, is that he retire because of ill health.
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H.R.McMaster resigns, is replaced with John Bolton, said to be a real anti North Korean hawk.

As Trump surrounds himself with more and more people of his own mentality, is he girding his loins for war?

As days pass, I feel more and more that the face to face with Kim Jong Un won't go well.
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Bolton would definitely advise going to war preemptively with NoKo. 

Yea Trump firing all these yes men. Get your liberal spin updated, it's not the yes-men narrative anymore. Now it's Trump the bully.

This is the closest the US has come to effectively dealing with KJU, he could never relinquish any power to kow towing, arugula eating apologists. 
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Quote This is the closest the US has come to effectively dealing with KJU, he could never relinquish any power to kow towing, arugula eating apologists.

Do you really think that going to the meeting accompanied by some Junk Yard Dogs is the way to go? I don't think Kim is frightened of the US militarily, but the sanctions, if they remain in place, could possibly create some undercurrents of unrest in NoKo.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Quote This is the closest the US has come to effectively dealing with KJU, he could never relinquish any power to kow towing, arugula eating apologists.

Do you really think that going to the meeting accompanied by some Junk Yard Dogs is the way to go? I don't think Kim is frightened of the US militarily, but the sanctions, if they remain in place, could possibly create some undercurrents of unrest in NoKo.
Will you just blindly accept what is said about Bolton in liberal media?

I wouldn't send girl scouts over there toyomotor.
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OK, but my point is that if Trump and Kim are to have meaningful negotiations, wouldn't it be better to have people who at least appear to be open to negotiations, rather than distinctly anti-NoKo?
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"Only Nixon could go to China."

It was because Nixon was a hardliner on communism that he could make a deal with Red China.


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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

OK, but my point is that if Trump and Kim are to have meaningful negotiations, wouldn't it be better to have people who at least appear to be open to negotiations, rather than distinctly anti-NoKo?

I disagree that Trump is anti-NoKo he is willing to talk to them in person. KJU hasn't even talked to Chinese diplomats face to face.
Bolton, simply understands the situation too well to trust NoKo but he won't make Trump's decisions but there has to be a decisive voice, that's Bolton. 

They are open to negotiations, both say -NoKo- forget all nuclear ambitions. They will hold that line and they should or do you want the grand kids hearing about this knucklehead?
SoKo wants reunification upon disarmament.  

 
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Quote KJU hasn't even talked to Chinese diplomats face to face.

BREAKING NEWS:

Kim Jong Un has apparently travelled to China where he had talks with Xi Jinping.

Now, that could turn out to be a game changer when Trump meets Kim.

Xi has apparently negotiated denuclearisation of the peninsula with Kim.


Quote https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/world/asia/kim-jong-un-china-trip.html3 hours ago - In an unexpected burst of diplomacy, North Korea's leader may be playing the role of international statesman while courting an ally that was losing patience with his country.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Quote KJU hasn't even talked to Chinese diplomats face to face.

BREAKING NEWS:

Kim Jong Un has apparently travelled to China where he had talks with Xi Jinping.

Now, that could turn out to be a game changer when Trump meets Kim.

Xi has apparently negotiated denuclearisation of the peninsula with Kim.


Quote https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/world/asia/kim-jong-un-china-trip.html3 hours ago - In an unexpected burst of diplomacy, North Korea's leader may be playing the role of international statesman while courting an ally that was losing patience with his country.

Yes, as in "This Just In" Until Now, KJU Had NOT Met w Chinese diplomats

KJU wants to keep his regime and now he can't escape the scrutiny so he must behave.

Xi would be crazy not to encourage KJU to stop being such a spectacle.


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Quote do you want the grand kids hearing about this knucklehead?

Did you really mean ".....this, knucklehead?"

If Xi and Kim decide to play footsy, it could be that China restores full relationship with NoKo, including the lifting of sanctions (if they ever abided by them) and basically raise a single finger salute to Trump.
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If South Korea unified with North Korea, then all of a sudden most everyone who is everyone in North Korea would be out of a job and be nobody.  South Koreans are ambitious, enterprising, hard workers, often with high skills.  The power structure in the North would not put up with the South eclipsing them, which is what would happen if they combined.  North might say they want unification, but in the face of Southern capitalism, they would be put out of 'business.'

Of course, Donald Trump has a soft spot in his heart for tyrants, so maybe he and Kim Juon Un will find that they have lots in common.  Trump is easy on his enemies, and hard on his friends or allies.  He may be following Machiavelli's advice on that.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Quote do you want the grand kids hearing about this knucklehead?

Did you really mean ".....this, knucklehead?"

I meant the knucklehead KJU. Sorry!!

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

If Xi and Kim decide to play footsy, it could be that China restores full relationship with NoKo, including the lifting of sanctions (if they ever abided by them) and basically raise a single finger salute to Trump.
It's possible. KJU 's objectives may be served by a better public image. 
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Quote It's possible. KJU 's objectives may be served by a better public image.

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One reason why President Trump is so resistant to the media (think anti-biotic resistant disease), was that President Obama was treated with kid gloves by the media (to which I would also add Hollywood and comedy).  One thing I asked a friend about when Obama left office, was what did he actually do, we agreed at the time that he did okay on the economy.  Now, however, I find out that he played around with economic statistics to make things appear better than they were.  Long term unemployed were not treated as unemployed (because they had given up looking).  Herbert Hoover was proud of introducing accurate economic statistics, Carter did poorly under them, and Obama _would_ have done poorly if he hadn't changed the ruler (misery index).  So now, there is a great distrust in the media amongst rural and suburban voters who were never convinced that Obama could walk on water.  If the media had been an honest broker during the last president, then they would be seen as an honest broker with this president.  But they weren't and they're not.  Personally, I think _anyone_ after Obama would cause an upswing in the economy, with his ranting against Wall Street, I think businesses were skittish to do anything in his term (except get bailed out).  The economy is not doing better because Trump is a businessman, the economy is doing better because it is now not Obama.

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