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I haven't got a clue what you're on about. What's all of this got to do with, what appears to be an isolationist policy-withdrawal from some of the more important international agreements and diplomatic protocols?
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Quote Sorry the encroaching peace is so upsetting to you and the 11 anti-Trump rags that you ingest daily.

So what do you want, I should read every daily rag I can get hold of? Oy vey!!!

You're twisting what I written previously, you've overlooked the fact that I've supported Trump on some policies, and I've congratulated him on the NoKo talks.

All I'm saying is that the talks should recommence ASAP, strike while the iron is hot, while Kim seems amenable to complying with some of the international norms.

Recent press reports indicate that even NoKo propaganda against the US is being removed.

Bear also in mind that Kim is getting friendlier with Xi Jinping and Putin, not good signs.

Wise old indian saying, "Keep friends close, keep enemies closer."


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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

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Quote <span style=": rgb231, 228, 216;">Sorry the encroaching peace is so upsetting to you and the 11 anti-Trump rags that you ingest daily.
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<span style=": rgb231, 228, 216;">So what do you want, I should read every daily rag I can get hold of? Oy vey!!!</span>
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<span style=": rgb231, 228, 216;">You're twisting what I written previously, you've overlooked the fact that I've supported Trump on some policies, and I've congratulated him on the NoKo talks.</span>
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<span style=": rgb231, 228, 216;">All I'm saying is that the talks should recommence ASAP, strike while the iron is hot, while Kim seems amenable to complying with some of the international norms.</span>
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<span style=": rgb231, 228, 216;">Recent press reports indicate that even NoKo propaganda against the US is being removed.</span>
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<span style=": rgb231, 228, 216;">Bear also in mind that Kim is getting friendlier with Xi Jinping and Putin, not good signs.</span>
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<span style=": rgb231, 228, 216;">Wise old indian saying, "Keep friends close, keep enemies closer."</span>
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toyomotor, reads as much or as little as yous needs to reads. If they are all Trump haters then why bother with numerous sources?

I dare say that since no country has made any progress with NoKo in all these years we obviously don't have any useful advice.
Maybe this will play out in exactly the way it needs to in order to insure steady progress.

With all due respect, Trump gets more done on the weekend than Obama did in a month. Acting like it's not happening fast enough after silence on the subject since B.Clinton is just an opportunistic dig on Trump.

The critics are desperate and their comments are meaningless to every person who has lived the past 30 years while "AWARE" of geopolitics. Obama's messiah worshippers know exactly -Jack and Squat- about NoKo.

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Spreading reports indicate the Kim Jon Un may be pulling a swifty on Trump by openly demolishing nuclear plants no longer fit for purpose, while at the same time increasing NoKo's yield of weapons grade plutonium.

If this turns out to be true, what do you all think Trump will do next? More talks or military action?
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If offered A or B, Trump will do C, which will further complicate matters in ways unforeseen.  

Trump is very proud of the fact that he is unpredictable, another word is erratic.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

If offered A or B, Trump will do C, which will further complicate matters in ways unforeseen.  

Trump is very proud of the fact that he is unpredictable, another word is erratic.

I don't like Trump's public persona, I do agree with some of his policies, but his slogan "Make America Great Again" is at a tangent to what he's doing.

Where there are important international agreements, to which the US is a signatory, Trump is reneging on the agreements and the US seems to be heading to a more isolationed position in the world.

One US reports states that America needs it's allies in order to remain great, but Trump has taken great personal pains to isolate those allies through personal insults, withdrawal from the past agreements and in general, creating a hub of confusion with his policies.

The US is the greatest world power, but where would it stand if all of it's allies took a step back on trade, military co-operation and general diplomacy?

His stance on the G7 inclusion of Russia comes ahead of his planned talks with Vladmir Putin, who, unlike Trump, is a smart and devious operator. Expect nothing beneficial from these talks.

International politics would probably a lot better off if Trump locked himself in his office, and allowed professional diplomats and senior bureaucrats to do the talking.

 Erratic behaviour is exactly what could lead to a major confrontation.
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Maybe the Praetorian Guard will come up with a solution....

Just kiddin'. 
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Maybe the Praetorian Guard will come up with a solution....

Just kiddin'. 

The Praetorian Guard has shrunk in number to the size of a Section (= US Squad), and those that are left are too busy running around trying to understand what their CinC is on about.

Of those that are left, how many really understand what he's on about would probably equal a two man guard.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

If offered A or B, Trump will do C, which will further complicate matters in ways unforeseen.  

Trump is very proud of the fact that he is unpredictable, another word is erratic.

Where there are important international agreements, to which the US is a signatory, Trump is reneging on the agreements and the US seems to be heading to a more isolationed position in the world.
There has been a trade war for decades and it's been the US operating at a trade deficit while Canada will only pay animal feed prices for US corn and charge 200% tariff on US dairy products. Lots of examples that add up to a lot of money. The last resort after talk went no where was going to be outrageous. If only some partners could be more honest about the advantage they have enjoyed for so long.
 
Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

One US reports states that America needs it's allies in order to remain great, but Trump has taken great personal pains to isolate those allies through personal insults, withdrawal from the past agreements and in general, creating a hub of confusion with his policies.

The US is the greatest world power, but where would it stand if all of it's allies took a step back on trade, military co-operation and general diplomacy?
They will end up signing bilateral agreements that work for their individual countries, reality what a concept!

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

His stance on the G7 inclusion of Russia comes ahead of his planned talks with Vladmir Putin, who, unlike Trump, is a smart and devious operator. Expect nothing beneficial from these talks.
I expect Russia to work with Trump on No Korea. 
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

International politics would probably a lot better off if Trump locked himself in his office, and allowed professional diplomats and senior bureaucrats to do the talking.

 Erratic behaviour is exactly what could lead to a major confrontation.
International politics, hmmm have you see the headlines lately? What did AU Press do to poor Nauru?


The ABC has been banned from attending the Pacific Islands Forum over its past reporting.

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Nauru has banned the ABC from attending the Pacific Islands Forum over its "blatant interference" and "lack of respect", and warned other media outlets about how they cover the event.

In a statement released on Monday, the Nauru government laid down the law for international journalists hoping to report on the summit, set to take place in September.

"it should be noted that no representative from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation will be granted a visa to enter Nauru".

'Blatant interference'

The Nauru government claims the decision is due to the ABC's "blatant interference in Nauru's domestic politics prior to the 2016 election, harassment of and lack of respect towards our president in Australia, false and defamatory allegations against members of our government, and continued biased and false reporting about our country".

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Quote The Nauru government claims the decision is due to the ABC's "blatant interference in Nauru's domestic politics prior to the 2016 election, harassment of and lack of respect towards our president in Australia, false and defamatory allegations against members of our government, and continued biased and false reporting about our country".

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Trade wars are two idiots with guns to their own heads, daring each other to pull the trigger.

I thought Donald Trump said he was a deal maker, all he seems to do is break deals.  There is some kind of belief amongst some people, that there will be an upside to all this.  It is not just Canada, but Mexico and China, and Europe, and anyone else Donald can pull into the morass.  Some people really are victims of circumstance, others however worship at the shrine of victimology because they think they can get more out of doing so, than doing actual work.  Oh, don't get me wrong, with Trump you have a flurry of activity, and I am sure that someone will benefit from a trade war, but the general public?  No.

And what is this trade war with Harley-Davidson??


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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Trade wars are two idiots with guns to their own heads, daring each other to pull the trigger.

I thought Donald Trump said he was a deal maker, all he seems to do is break deals.  There is some kind of belief amongst some people, that there will be an upside to all this.  It is not just Canada, but Mexico and China, and Europe, and anyone else Donald can pull into the morass.  Some people really are victims of circumstance, others however worship at the shrine of victimology because they think they can get more out of doing so, than doing actual work.  Oh, don't get me wrong, with Trump you have a flurry of activity, and I am sure that someone will benefit from a trade war, but the general public?  No.

And what is this trade war with Harley-Davidson??
This is manufactured hysteria driven by the money people and the Never Trump types for different reasons. The NYSE will see some industries win others fail but the sky isn't falling. The finance world has been taking great advantage of these situations since the first trade deals with Mexico and So America before the depression when organized crime was driving the deals, literally in the form of union truckers. The last president didn't benefit the general public, there's not far to go if only to out shine one and a half percent growth in eight years. Trump's already done in less than two years.
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Just when we all thought that the talks between the US and North Korea may lead to a reduction in Korean Peninsula tensions, apparently NoKo is now describing talks with Pompeo as "regrettable"  and accuses the US of "gangster-like mindset".

So, what now? Trump has limited options as far as I can see.

1. He demands immediate clarification from NoKo as to it's future intentions regarding denuclearisation;
2. He demands an explanation as to reports that NoKo is in fact  increasing it's production of fissionable material;
3. Imposes a blockade on North Korea-although it's being said that China is ignoring the sanctions which have been imposed already, and the US has no way of controlling the North Korea/China land borders;
4. Increases financial sanctions-on all NoKo transactions, including banks etc.
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Closer to home, it would be in his best interests to shut down Giuliani's almost daily media reports, which are doing nothing to really help Trump. 
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I imagine that Trump is going to try to increase his hold on the Republican party by having Trumpians elected to Congress.  The sad fact is that the moderates of both parties will probably loose in the mid-term election.  Now some old and experienced congressmen will whether the storm because some voters will rightfully not want to through away that experience.  But in both parties there are demagogues who will appeal to the extremes, and people will polarize.
But President Trump did instruct colleges to not select students using racial preferences, which is reversal of an Obama decision.  I think that that is a good decision, or at least a good attempt.

North Korea?  Why I think the Don will call up his buddy Kim, and say, 'Kim! what are you doing to me?  I thought we had an understanding.  I want you to return my pledge pin!
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Just when we all thought that the talks between the US and North Korea may lead to a reduction in Korean Peninsula tensions, apparently NoKo is now describing talks with Pompeo as "regrettable"  and accuses the US of "gangster-like mindset".

So, what now? Trump has limited options as far as I can see.

1. He demands immediate clarification from NoKo as to it's future intentions regarding denuclearisation;
2. He demands an explanation as to reports that NoKo is in fact  increasing it's production of fissionable material;
3. Imposes a blockade on North Korea-although it's being said that China is ignoring the sanctions which have been imposed already, and the US has no way of controlling the North Korea/China land borders;
4. Increases financial sanctions-on all NoKo transactions, including banks etc.
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Closer to home, it would be in his best interests to shut down Giuliani's almost daily media reports, which are doing nothing to really help Trump. 
fransicosan is correct! KJU read Art of the Deal and Pompeo is taking no ***t until he gets an agreement started for de-nuking. What now?
Let's see NoKo is broke so probably looking for folding money. I would after agreeing to end the bloody Korean War. Today there is story about NoKo asking Israel to cut a deal back in 1999. $1 billion for canceling a missile sale to Iran. Israel turned them down and offered food aid.
Trump has to negotiate- KJU did not talk trash about Trump he wishes to continue their relationship or some such signaling. 
Why do you blame Giuliani for the media reports? Aren't they just exploiting his tendency to be blunt? 
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He's more than blunt, IMO, he's making statements which are rediculous.

If he kept his mouth shut, there would be no media reports, n'cest-ce pas?
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

He's more than blunt, IMO, he's making statements which are rediculous.

If he kept his mouth shut, there would be no media reports, n'cest-ce pas?

Who isn't ridiculous? Your friends at CNN?
He's Trump's lawyer and he is a tough customer.
Haha, please quote the quotes you hate I gotta know what's so funny, I mean ridiculous.
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If you read someone's book, you supposedly get an insight into their personality.

But, what if the book is ghost authored?  Are North Korean analysts analyzing Trump's books in order to get an insight into his personality?  Don't you just get insight into the personality of the ghost writer, who in turn is doing his analysis (or perhaps, construction) of Trump's personality?  Of course, maybe there is no real Trump, just images and posturing.

It is too bad that the French Postmodernist, Jean Baudrillard is dead, he would have gotten a kick out of the Trump presidency.

I think Gulliani has an effect on the Russian-Trump situation (which is real whether it is actual or just perceived), and that effect is beneficial for Trump and his regime.
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Quote <br style=": rgb231, 228, 216;"><span style=": rgb231, 228, 216;">Who isn't ridiculous? Your friends at CNN?
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The first NATO Secretary General, Lord Ismay , stated the organization's goal was "to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down".

[URL=smallwarsjournal.com/blog/lord-ismay-restated][/URL]
Now that Merkel has let Russia in it appears that Russia will be the defense contractor for Germany. She let Russia in through the back door I might add, little end run around NATO? teehee
The role of US as foster parents to Germany is over as they put on a brave face.
So the Americans are out, we'll save money to pay down our own debt. The Germans can't get lower many saying they can see no hope for the future it's just too depressing.
https://www.dw.com/en/poll-germans-pessimistic-on-refugees/a-19438754


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Last year on Fresh Air (National Public Radio interview show) they had John Le Carre.  Le Carre said that Trump was laundering money for the Russian Oligarchs, which would go far to explain the Trump-Putin bro-mance.  If you are internet savvy, you might check it out on podcast.  Unless that is too boring for all those mental equivalents of 16 year olds out there.  Go back to watch Taylor Swift and cat videos! :P We would hesitate to suggest any use of brain power when consuming the daily infotainment.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Last year on Fresh Air (National Public Radio interview show) they had John Le Carre.  Le Carre said that Trump was laundering money for the Russian Oligarchs, which would go far to explain the Trump-Putin bro-mance. 

1. And where's the proof of all of this?

Quote If you are internet savvy, you might check it out on podcast.  Unless that is too boring for all those mental equivalents of 16 year olds out there.  Go back to watch Taylor Swift and cat videos! :P We would hesitate to suggest any use of brain power when consuming the daily infotainment.

2. Sticks and stones......

And this is an important issue for Trump????Confused
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Do you know who John Le Carre is??  the "proof of all this" is the podcast.  Note that I am not saying it is true, I am saying that John Le Carre would be someone who is the kind of person who would be knowledgeable, and would call things like he sees it.  John Le Carre is a nom de plume, he writes the best, most accurate spy novels in the business, and previously to his literary career worked for MI6.

You might say it is an important issue, if it was legally demonstrated, he would be thoroughly compromised, and it would be grounds for impeachment.  Even if the Republicans were still in control of the House and Senate, I don't see how they would ignore money laundering (and everything that would come with it).  
When Donald Trump and family sell real estate for 20% or so, above fair market value to Russian oligarchs or Chinese officials, he did _not_ just get a good deal, he is probably laundering money for them.  They also get to go to the head of the line and a gold star showing he should pay attention to them (in his "official" capacity).  They scratch his back and he scratch theirs, it is a good deal for everybody all around.  Problem is, it is illegal and unethical and sells out the American people.

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So what's your take on Trump sucking up to Putin-as he obviously has?

Some correspondents are accusing him of treachery.

His siding with Putin, and putting down his own intelligence agencies is remarkable.
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Donald Trump seems to be afraid of Vladimir Putin.  Not just "afraid of' in an abstract way, of someone who is dangerous in a general manner. I may find Jeffery Daumer frightening, but he does not have much to do with my life, and not much to do with how I live it.  Rather, Trump seems to be personally afraid of Putin.  Trump likes the idea of strong men leaders (tyrants), but with Putin it is more than that.  Putin seems to have something on Trump or maybe several things, which is not necessarily surprising, Putin being disciplined former KGB, and Trump being what is called in philosophy, "incontinent" in his habits and his tastes.  Trump has no impulse control, and Putin is the person to take advantage of that.  It is bigger than perhaps a night with a couple Russian prostitutes, laundering money makes sense for Trump's personality.  But, you cannot convict on what you merely suspect, no matter how much circumstantial evidence there is.  (actually you _can_ convict on circumstantial evidence, but it has to be pretty substantial).

As far as treachery is concerned, you know some idiot reporters or celebrities called during their terms Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. a nazi.  They don't dare call Trump a nazi, because he doesn't have the attitude of just sitting there and letting it 'run of his back like a duck.'  Treachery would explain some things, but Trump is just so impulsive that it is hard to tell why he is doing what he is doing.  One can, however, tell why some of the reporters are doing what they are doing, they don't like him and want to take him down, that is true regardless of whether he is treacherous, or just a jerk, or for that matter just a Republican (which he actually is not, except of the fair weather, opportunistic kind).  But, is Trump a tool, of Putin?  I think so.  But, the real question is whether he has to step down because the legal situation gets too complicated.  There might not be enough pressure that can be directly exerted upon him for him to step down (although impeachment would probably do it), but it is not just a matter of him, he has involved his daughter and son-in-law in his administration too.  What would he do, if they were facing conviction on corruption charges?  Why shouldn't his family face legal charges, if they are a part of his administration and have broken the law?  How much will people tolerate him trying to pardon his way out of the mess?  Remember, what gets people in trouble in DC is not so much the actual crime, but the cover-up.  They say if Trump tries to pardon himself out of the mess, the Republican themselves may be forced to pardon him.

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The more I read of Trump, and see on TV News, the more my opinion is forming that the man is suffering from a mental illness.

How else can one sensibly view his almost daily lies, exaggerations and self aggrandisement. What can be said in support of his outrageous comments on trade, NATO etc, and his relationship with Putin.

How can his supporters continue their support for a man who, IMHO, is an embarrassment to his country, and in fact the western world. Another term for Trump could seal the fate of the USA as leader of the free world.


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I reckon that millions of Americans will join the rest of the world in asking Trump;

1. Why did he demand a "private" discussion with Putin?

2. What was discussed in this private conversation?

3. Did he provide Putin with any concessions on the current sanctions?

4. Why did he back Putin over his own intelligence agencies?

5. Does Russia have any kompramat on Trump?

6. Why has he invited Putin to the US?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 To quote from Monty Python and the Holy Grail -Trump, I fart in your general direction.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote franciscosan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2018 at 23:14
I think it is a little mean spirited to say that Donald Trump has a mental illness, to people who have a mental illness.  Trump is neurotic, and out of touch with reality, but no more so than many stars who are surrounded by yes men and women.  Trump is a sick bastard, but he can't dismiss it as just a mental illness.  Of course the media is a voyeur for all this, so they're a little on the twisted side too.  And hypocritical about their voyeurism.

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Guess what? No one with_ intelligence_ trusts US Intelligence!
The dudes who brought us 911? pfttt

I would rather dine with Putin than stooges on CNN or Obama. You are both too dishonest or ill informed to acknowledge that Obama did minimal push back on Putin, got caught assuring Medvedev of his "flexibility" after the election and basically performed an indecent act on Putin for all the world to see for 8 years. When did Putin annex Crimea? When did he invade Ukraine? 

Why does it matter what Obama did? Bc the  Lunatic Left in this country never told Obama to stand up to Putin and neither did either of you. Now Trump is supposed hate Putin for posting some goofy ads about Hillary in Wisconsin? 

What proof of Germany building a ****ing pipeline? It's been going on for six years! 
Read a real newspaper!
Too bad there is no media coverage of the sneaky Germans but we do know how pieces of cake Trump had.Shocked

Only you guys and others with your mindset are seeing failure in Trump.
Sweet dreams lads!


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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

I reckon that millions of Americans will join the rest of the world in asking Trump;

1. Why did he demand a "private" discussion with Putin?

2. What was discussed in this private conversation?

3. Did he provide Putin with any concessions on the current sanctions?

4. Why did he back Putin over his own intelligence agencies?

5. Does Russia have any kompramat on Trump?

6. Why has he invited Putin to the US?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 To quote from Monty Python and the Holy Grail -Trump, I fart in your general direction.                                                                            He can to talk to Putin alone it's not unheard of, why can't he do it?
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What precedent allows for public access to private Executive meetings?

Trump can't hide cessions. Stories of Trump turning a US ambassador over to the Russians for questioning is more fake news. Hillary opined on the shame of Trump's lack of protection for ambassador. So a reminder of Benghazi and Hillary's failures there were bandied about today. That was real news though so, you didn't catch it.

The US Intelligence agencies, Dept of Justice and Congress have very little credibility and behind the curtain is the charade of a two party system.

Trump infuriates the Military Industrial Complex recently in the form of Obama's old team who allowed this so called Russian meddling. John Brenner and James Clapper, Rod Rosenstein, James Comey, Peter Strzok all appear as reactionary, politically motivated therefore untrustworthy and BIAS.

These are the CIA geniuses who said Iraq had chemical weapons and are sending our best and brightest into endless war and foreign nightmares.
And the Globalists and the Leftist Loonies want to abolish ICE and welcome Central American serial killers to our homeland. These entities were complicit in obtaining a FISA warrant based on a fake dossier funded by the DNC Clinton machine. The proof of the material was that it was posted on a Yahoo news feed by the DNC. Dirty nasty Hillary. Obama knew about hacking during the election but I guess he thought he had been flexible enough for Putin.

Russia could help in global situations like Syria more than any other country and they work with China why not the US? So we should look for points of commonality not hysterical accusations and chicken little type irrational,reactive negativity fueled by violence and FEAR!

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