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Yes, using the military in border control is an iffy thing.

i don't think he is "entitled" to protect the borders, I think he is responsible for protecting the boundaries.

The first implies he can do what he wants under the auspices of protection.  He has a 'right,' the later means he has a responsibility.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Yes, using the military in border control is an iffy thing.

i don't think he is "entitled" to protect the borders, I think he is responsible for protecting the boundaries.

The first implies he can do what he wants under the auspices of protection.  He has a 'right,' the later means he has a responsibility.

OK, semantics.

Trump has an obligation to protect US borders. He's entitled to take reasonable measures to do so, but I still think by using troops, whether Regular, Reserve or National Guard, (and obviously I'm referring to Coast Guard, Air Force and Navy) is in breach of Posse Comitatus.

Incidentally, we have a similar law in Australia, but it was the Customs & Border Control who intercepted our sea borne illegals, not military.

(As an aside to the above, while it's unlikely, what would Trump do, do you think, if the Generals refused to send troops to the borders, citing it to be a breach of the Posse Comitatus Law? My understanding is that if they were to take such action, it would be decided by the Supreme Court which Trump regularly criticises.)





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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Surely there's a lot more to it than sour grapes!

Trump has committed egregious (that's not a word in common use in Australia, but) crimes. Lying to the people being uppermost, and he's done that thousands of times.

Any attempt by Trump to close down the Mueller investigation should be met with immediate action by Congress and/or the Supreme Court, the latter hopefully not too tainted by Trump's influence.

Sure smells like sour grapes. These apocalyptic warnings and supposed facts about the state of the world are made up bs. Sorry, you know I like you but what you think is influenced by dopey media personalities, they are not being journalists- just flapping gums, spouting dimly lit opinions. 
Trump lied 5000 times since being elected? 
Is that what CNN is saying? LOL
Bill Clinton was a nice man, uh no! He wasn't nice but he was a good president. 

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The Chinese Kanji for trouble is two women under the same roof.  Maybe that is what happened with Melania Trump and the other woman.

If someone says a falsehood, and it is totally unbelievable, does that count as a lie?  Isn't a lie, a falsehood told with the intent to deceive?  What about a falsehood told to lead the press on a wild goose chase?  Is that a lie, when they should have known better?
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Aren't Kanji Japanese writing characters?

Regardless of my personal dislike of the man, surely Trump in pretty quick time, has earned the enmity of millions of people in the USA.

According to press reports, from a variety of states and sources, he's the most reviled President, probably of the century.

With all of the attacks being launched on him from every angle, surely most people would simply say "Why bother?" and resign. He doesn't need the money, but he does love the power and being in the spotlight.
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I believe that the president should not target individual companies for putative measures.  I generally believe in a free market approach which means if labor costs too much in the United States, business will go elsewhere.  Of course, that process can be hampered by protectionist legislation.  But that will also mean that the products will be more expensive.  So you keep some jobs (not all jobs, just some union ones), in the coddling and special treatment of specific businesses by government, but you interfere in the labor market, and you interfere in the price of goods in the market.  In trying to control one aspect of the market, the cost in other respects goes up.  There is no such thing as a free lunch, although to those who resent inherited wealth, it might seem so.  There is a name for "too big to fail" and other practices, "corporate cronyism." that was prevalent with Obama.  Trump is different only in the sense that corporate cronyism is now a reward for doing what he wants, and he seems to want to penalize those who don't do what he wants.  Like I said, he is a bully, Obama could be a bully, but he was not vicious like Trump is.  I think that you, Vanuatu, do not take Trump's viciousness seriously.

No, I don't think he is joking, Donald Trump will take credit for anything positive whether he did it or not.  He will take credit for saving Christmas, although the biggest threat to Christmas is the rampant commercialism.

R.I.P No 41, War Hero, Gentleman, Statesman, all the things Donald Trump will never be.

Will Trump now stoop so low as to claim credit for the end of the Cold War?

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He certainly seems greatly distracted by the ongoing investigation, and that can't possibly be good for the governance of the USA.


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Oh, I don't know, a lot of Americans believe that the government that governs the least, governs the best.  At least we don't see the expansion of identity politics (on the left) and the nanny-state under him.

The term "lie" implies that someone is going to believe them.  I feel that his tall tales are more like the puffed up exaggerations of the black sheep uncle at the holiday party.  (wait a minute, that describes me<grin>.)  It is interesting to see what he comes up with next.  But, I am not sure that one thinks of it as potentially true, rather it is like a movie, one enjoys the ride and if it is successful, there is a suspension of belief that lasts through the final reel.

Or maybe it is like a drinking party, where you don't know who it is you wake up next to, but you know she didn't look that bad the night before, and you would rather chew off your arm than wake her.  And the hangover, oh! the hangover.  Maybe all of last night was not that good after all.

Irony is that Donald Trump does not drink, and probably has never had such an experience.  Plus he can probably promise or pay for fine looking women, of more dubious character.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

He certainly seems greatly distracted by the ongoing investigation, and that can't possibly be good for the governance of the USA.


It's probably not good.
When the press was doing 24 hour coverage of Monica Lewinsky it was just as absurd. While everyone was looking away the CIA was denying the FBI information that should have been shared. Deliberate refusal and denial of evidence confirming the presence of Saudis in the US who became 911 hijackers, specifically. 
The FBI was looking for particular people and the CIA refused to work with them bc of ideological nonsense. It has been declassified that the CIA wanted to cast a net too wide and it kept them from recognizing the threat of planes being commandeered on 9/11. Even though it was the CIA who looked and found inordinate numbers of middle eastern men on visas taking flying lessons. At one point 88% of the people taking flying lessons were middle eastern men and the CIA knew it.
That is why we have laws, no individual can make good decisions regarding security unless information is shared. Louis Freeh and George Tenet you suck! 
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Quote When the press was doing 24 hour coverage of Monica Lewinsky it was just as absurd.

As an aside, I read in various US press that Lewinski is now referred to as "a celebrity", is that because she............................

Similarly, I don't give a hoot about Trump's alleged sexual predelictions, nor should the American media place such emphasis on them. Surely, the quality of his governance is the top priority.
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Lewinsky.... give a hoot.
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From ABC News O-line 13/12/2018
Quote Donald Trump's former personal lawyer Michael Cohen is jailed for three years for his role in making illegal hush-money payments to women to help Mr Trump's 2016 election campaign, and for lying to Congress.

Now, all that's needed is to prove that Trump either ordered Cohen to do this, or that Cohen's actions were with Trumps direct or tacit approval, and It'll be "Move over Michael, I'll be sharing your cell."
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In relation to the allegations being made about Trump's dealings with Russian agents, his sexual peccadillos and alleged breaches of electoral rules, will someone, probably from the US, advise me as to their take on whether or not a sitting President can be charged with criminal offences.

From the research that I've done, the legal world in the US is divided on the issue. Obviously Guiliani has spoken out claiming that a president cannot be charged, whether he qualifies this by saying "while he holds office" or not, to me, a retired police officer, the concept of a presidents being immune from prosecution just doesn't sound plausible. But, on the other hand, there are a number of issues in the US that, again to me, just aren't plausible.

Another question which has arisen is the question of whether or not a president can pardon himself. I think Guiliani has also said he can.

It seems that Trump is facing some difficulties in appointing a new Chief of Staff-a job described by one man as "the worst job in the world". I suppose he can attempt to run the White House himself, but in doing that his attention would be further drawn from important issue of governance.

I don't understand why, after being recorded as having told over 5000 lies since being in office, and has exaggerated many, many other claims, can he not be dumped by the GOP by withdrawing support for his policies?

Trump has also been described some people who have, or are working closely with him as "an idiot", "moron", a man who doesn't like to read (briefing papers on important issues) and who refuses to take advice. His employment of close family members as senior advisors is nepotism-as defined.

I would be glad of informed advice on these issues-purely for my own education.


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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

From ABC News O-line 13/12/2018
Quote Donald Trump's former personal lawyer Michael Cohen is jailed for three years for his role in making illegal hush-money payments to women to help Mr Trump's 2016 election campaign, and for lying to Congress.

Now, all that's needed is to prove that Trump either ordered Cohen to do this, or that Cohen's actions were with Trumps direct or tacit approval, and It'll be "Move over Michael, I'll be sharing your cell."

Watch Trump sail away and take a vacation when this Mueller probing is over. Trump can outlast the oft used final resort of the desperate and shamed politician. where the grasping familiar tactic-"campaign finance" irregularities rears it's winking eyed head. The campaign finance scandal is just in time to replace the Russia collusion scandal. Call it the campaign disillusion scandal.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Lewinsky.... give a hoot.
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Lewinsky was beaten like a rented mule by media hacks. Clinton & Mrs have finally gotten their comeuppance. Stormy's is on DVD.

http://https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46532156

A US judge has ordered porn actress Stormy Daniels to reimburse President Donald Trump's legal fees after her defamation case was thrown out.

Ms Daniels, who says she had sex with Mr Trump in 2006, sued him after he mocked her claim that a stranger had threatened her to keep quiet.

On Tuesday, a judge ordered her to pay over $293,052.33 (£234,000) - roughly 75% of Mr Trump's legal fees.

A lawyer for Mr Trump celebrated the ruling as a "total victory".

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Lewinsky had oral sex with Clinton, and, a long time after the event, had not had the dress cleaned to remove the evidence?

Sounds like a classic setup to me. I don't mean that it didn't happen, but it appears she was keeping the evidence to use to her advantage.

I can't begin to understand the shame that she's brought on her parents and family, and now she's called a celebrity???Thumbs Down

As to the rest of the post, Trump may well sail away into the sunset, laughing all the way. It's not beyond the realms of possibility in the US jurisprudence system. But, if he does it would be a condemnation of the system, as much as the man.

One thing is for sure, the longer Trump remains in office, the greater domestic and international instability will continue.

Cohen has gone to gaol, condemning Trump as he goes down.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander!!




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The dress was a souvenir, if she washed it, it would have lessened the sentimental value.  How many teenagers touch their favorite pop star and say that they will never wash their hand again?

I believe Stormy Daniels, but I think that she is playing way out of her league, I wonder if the judge is screwing her (figuratively) because she is a porn star.  Remember that Trump's sister is a Federal judge, who if what they say about Frank Trump's estate is true, should probably be impeached.  Why would a judge take sides with a porn star, when he knows that the President likes to scratch the back of those who favor him?

Gulliani can make a cogent and knowledgeable argument that the President should be immune from prosecution, there may be others that can make a cogent and knowledgeable argument otherwise.

Don't they say that the difference between a porn star and a lawyer, is that a porn star can take a shower and get clean?

It should be understood that Bill Clinton lied in a deposition, it is not just that he lied about sex, it was that Jennifer Flowers (Powers??) deposed him in her sexual harassment case, and he lied in the deposition (and then did some fancy legal footwork, 'depends upon what you mean by 'is'')
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Quote The dress was a souvenir, if she washed it, it would have lessened the sentimental value.

What a load of old cobblers!
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Quote Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I'm gonna get you, too
Another one bites the dust
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Sounds like a good anthem for the White House.LOL
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I had a debate with Franciscosan several months ago, in which he claimed that collusion is not a crime in the USA.

At least one very senior lawyer has recently commented on that matter, and has said quite clearly that it is. He quotes the relevant legislation.

I've posted the complete article, as I believe that it paints a perilous picture for Trump.

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Seth B. Waxman, a partner at the Dickinson Wright law firm in Washington, served as a federal prosecutor in the United States Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia and has worked as a criminal defense lawyer in Washington and New York. The opinions expressed in this commentary are his own. View more opinion on CNN.

(CNN)Recent revelations in memoranda filed by the government against Michael Flynn, Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort describe even more widespread and troubling contacts with the Russians. However, since the inception of the Mueller investigation, President Donald Trump, his lawyers, legal pundits on both sides of the aisle, and everyone in between has either claimed or conceded that "collusion" is not a crime.

President Trump has tweeted, "Collusion is not a crime. ..." Rudy Giuliani told Fox News, "I have been sitting here looking in the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime. ... Collusion is not a crime." Jay Sekulow told The New Yorker, "For something to be a crime, there has to be a statute that you claim is being violated. ... There is not a statute that refers to criminal collusion. There is no crime of collusion."
    Having worked as a federal prosecutor for 13 years in the Clinton, Bush and Obama administrations, I can report that the President and his lawyers are wrong. Collusion is a crime. The federal criminal code says so. The federal bribery statute -- 18 U.S.C. § 201(b)(2)(B) -- makes it a federal crime for a public official to "collude" in a fraud on the United States. More specifically, the federal bribery statute expressly states that a crime is committed when a public official "directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value ... in return for ... being influenced to ... collude in ... any fraud ... on the United States."
    Cuomo: Giuliani may be right but ...

    Cuomo: Giuliani may be right but ... 03:59
    Merriam-Webster's Dictionary defines collusion as a "secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose," exactly the focus of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation. Committing fraud on the United States means to impair or obstruct the lawful functions of a government agency. The Federal Election Commission and the Department of Justice are responsible for disclosing to the American people any foreign influence in the American political system and US elections.
    What does this mean for President Trump? The answer has three steps: (1) if Trump sought, received or accepted from the Russians "dirt" on Hillary Clinton, a promise to assist in building Trump Tower Moscow, or anything else of value; (2) in return for being influenced to engage in a secret agreement with the Russians to influence the 2016 US presidential election without the FEC, DOJ, and American people knowing; (3) then Trump and anyone who knowingly and intentionally participated in those acts is guilty of illegally colluding under federal bribery law -- a crime that carries a 15-year maximum prison term.
    Mueller has already lodged similar charges -- conspiracy to defraud the United States, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371 -- against Paul Manafort, the Russian nationals accused of hacking the Democratic Party organizations, and the Russian companies accused of using social media to wage information warfare in the run-up to the 2016 election. Unfortunately, those conspiracy charges only carry a five-year maximum prison term, not nearly the type of hammer prosecutors typically use to go after and flip senior members of a conspiracy.
    Warner: Reserving judgment on Trump collusion

    Warner: Reserving judgment on Trump collusion 00:57
    In the social media case, Mueller alleged that the Russians illegally impaired and impeded the FEC's and DOJ's ability to disclose to the American people the Russians' social media influence in the American political system and 2016 US presidential election -- the same type of "collusion" allegations Mueller may well be able to lodge against Trump as a public official under the far more powerful federal bribery law. Mueller may also use this approach to go after and flip the President's son, Donald Trump Jr. and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, among others.
    Federal bribery charges can also apply if Trump accepted things of value from the Russians in exchange for a promise to perform a future official act, such as reducing or eliminating US sanctions against Russians; this is known as the "official act" prong of the federal bribery statute. In contrast, the "collusion" prong of the federal bribery statute covers a broader range of conduct and need not involve official government acts.
    Federal bribery charges also open the door to even more serious charges, such as honest services fraud, which carries a 20-year maximum prison term, and the most powerful weapon in a federal prosecutor's arsenal, RICO (the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act).
    Another important wrinkle in federal bribery law that could potentially prove devastating to Trump is the fact that federal bribery law covers conduct beginning on the date Trump was "nominated" for office on July 19, 2016, or even earlier, on May 26, 2016, when Trump was officially informed he won the necessary 1,237 delegates to become the presumptive Republican nominee for president. Thus, Trump will not be able to defend his conduct on the ground that he first became a public official when he was sworn into office on January 20, 2017.
    Historically, candidates for office were not subject to federal bribery law.However, in 1962, the law was extended to cover candidates because Congress realized the law as previously written failed "to provide against the bribery of persons in anticipation of their assumption of public office. ..." And, "[t]hose who assume public office under a corrupt commitment ... may thus be afforded a loophole."
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      To remedy this loophole, Congress concluded that the law "should be extended to prospective public officials, in order to cover cases in which the promise, solicitation, or illegal consideration passes prior to entry on official status. ..." The Mueller investigation may prove the 1962 Congress particularly wise.
      Collusion has a common-sense understanding. But federal bribery law and the Mueller investigation may put illegal "collusion" into the history books. President Trump and his associates should certainly be worried
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      Giuliani has now said that Trump would appear before Mueller "over his dead body".

      Why should Trump not be amenable to the laws of the land?

      And as for Giuliani, he's adding fuel to the fire with his "alternative facts"-as bad as his client.
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      Set aside for one moment the fact that I dislike Trump, and ask yourself the following;

      • given the amount of anti-Trump media reports, why would anyone persist in holding this office?
      • Trump is now under investigation by everyone, it seems, and the outlook is not in his favour. Instead of reinventing his opinion on things to suit his own purposes, why not cut and run?
      • how is it that so many reports in the media claim that he is immune from prosecution for past misdeeds?
      • why does he, and Giuliani, believe that Trump can refuse to appear before Mueller if subpoenaed?
      • Recent polls reveal that somewhere in the low 40% of Americans support him. Why do others suggest that he could win the 2020 race?
      • Can the fact that he's told more than 5000 provable lies be used against him?
      If Trump does not appear before Mueller, is that sufficient for him to be impeached-Perverting the Course of Justice, Refusing to Appear  etc, etc.

      If he does appear, and as a result is shown to be complicit in the Russian connection, the payoff of call girls, rorting campaign funds etc, how long would it take for him to be brought to trial, and how long does it take to Impeach him?

      Is the answer to the first couple of questions "Supreme Ego?"
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