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Yes, using the military in border control is an iffy thing.

i don't think he is "entitled" to protect the borders, I think he is responsible for protecting the boundaries.

The first implies he can do what he wants under the auspices of protection.  He has a 'right,' the later means he has a responsibility.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Yes, using the military in border control is an iffy thing.

i don't think he is "entitled" to protect the borders, I think he is responsible for protecting the boundaries.

The first implies he can do what he wants under the auspices of protection.  He has a 'right,' the later means he has a responsibility.

OK, semantics.

Trump has an obligation to protect US borders. He's entitled to take reasonable measures to do so, but I still think by using troops, whether Regular, Reserve or National Guard, (and obviously I'm referring to Coast Guard, Air Force and Navy) is in breach of Posse Comitatus.

Incidentally, we have a similar law in Australia, but it was the Customs & Border Control who intercepted our sea borne illegals, not military.

(As an aside to the above, while it's unlikely, what would Trump do, do you think, if the Generals refused to send troops to the borders, citing it to be a breach of the Posse Comitatus Law? My understanding is that if they were to take such action, it would be decided by the Supreme Court which Trump regularly criticises.)





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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Surely there's a lot more to it than sour grapes!

Trump has committed egregious (that's not a word in common use in Australia, but) crimes. Lying to the people being uppermost, and he's done that thousands of times.

Any attempt by Trump to close down the Mueller investigation should be met with immediate action by Congress and/or the Supreme Court, the latter hopefully not too tainted by Trump's influence.

Sure smells like sour grapes. These apocalyptic warnings and supposed facts about the state of the world are made up bs. Sorry, you know I like you but what you think is influenced by dopey media personalities, they are not being journalists- just flapping gums, spouting dimly lit opinions. 
Trump lied 5000 times since being elected? 
Is that what CNN is saying? LOL
Bill Clinton was a nice man, uh no! He wasn't nice but he was a good president. 

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The Chinese Kanji for trouble is two women under the same roof.  Maybe that is what happened with Melania Trump and the other woman.

If someone says a falsehood, and it is totally unbelievable, does that count as a lie?  Isn't a lie, a falsehood told with the intent to deceive?  What about a falsehood told to lead the press on a wild goose chase?  Is that a lie, when they should have known better?
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Aren't Kanji Japanese writing characters?

Regardless of my personal dislike of the man, surely Trump in pretty quick time, has earned the enmity of millions of people in the USA.

According to press reports, from a variety of states and sources, he's the most reviled President, probably of the century.

With all of the attacks being launched on him from every angle, surely most people would simply say "Why bother?" and resign. He doesn't need the money, but he does love the power and being in the spotlight.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I believe that the president should not target individual companies for putative measures.  I generally believe in a free market approach which means if labor costs too much in the United States, business will go elsewhere.  Of course, that process can be hampered by protectionist legislation.  But that will also mean that the products will be more expensive.  So you keep some jobs (not all jobs, just some union ones), in the coddling and special treatment of specific businesses by government, but you interfere in the labor market, and you interfere in the price of goods in the market.  In trying to control one aspect of the market, the cost in other respects goes up.  There is no such thing as a free lunch, although to those who resent inherited wealth, it might seem so.  There is a name for "too big to fail" and other practices, "corporate cronyism." that was prevalent with Obama.  Trump is different only in the sense that corporate cronyism is now a reward for doing what he wants, and he seems to want to penalize those who don't do what he wants.  Like I said, he is a bully, Obama could be a bully, but he was not vicious like Trump is.  I think that you, Vanuatu, do not take Trump's viciousness seriously.

No, I don't think he is joking, Donald Trump will take credit for anything positive whether he did it or not.  He will take credit for saving Christmas, although the biggest threat to Christmas is the rampant commercialism.

R.I.P No 41, War Hero, Gentleman, Statesman, all the things Donald Trump will never be.

Will Trump now stoop so low as to claim credit for the end of the Cold War?

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He certainly seems greatly distracted by the ongoing investigation, and that can't possibly be good for the governance of the USA.


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Oh, I don't know, a lot of Americans believe that the government that governs the least, governs the best.  At least we don't see the expansion of identity politics (on the left) and the nanny-state under him.

The term "lie" implies that someone is going to believe them.  I feel that his tall tales are more like the puffed up exaggerations of the black sheep uncle at the holiday party.  (wait a minute, that describes me<grin>.)  It is interesting to see what he comes up with next.  But, I am not sure that one thinks of it as potentially true, rather it is like a movie, one enjoys the ride and if it is successful, there is a suspension of belief that lasts through the final reel.

Or maybe it is like a drinking party, where you don't know who it is you wake up next to, but you know she didn't look that bad the night before, and you would rather chew off your arm than wake her.  And the hangover, oh! the hangover.  Maybe all of last night was not that good after all.

Irony is that Donald Trump does not drink, and probably has never had such an experience.  Plus he can probably promise or pay for fine looking women, of more dubious character.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

He certainly seems greatly distracted by the ongoing investigation, and that can't possibly be good for the governance of the USA.


It's probably not good.
When the press was doing 24 hour coverage of Monica Lewinsky it was just as absurd. While everyone was looking away the CIA was denying the FBI information that should have been shared. Deliberate refusal and denial of evidence confirming the presence of Saudis in the US who became 911 hijackers, specifically. 
The FBI was looking for particular people and the CIA refused to work with them bc of ideological nonsense. It has been declassified that the CIA wanted to cast a net too wide and it kept them from recognizing the threat of planes being commandeered on 9/11. Even though it was the CIA who looked and found inordinate numbers of middle eastern men on visas taking flying lessons. At one point 88% of the people taking flying lessons were middle eastern men and the CIA knew it.
That is why we have laws, no individual can make good decisions regarding security unless information is shared. Louis Freeh and George Tenet you suck! 
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Quote When the press was doing 24 hour coverage of Monica Lewinsky it was just as absurd.

As an aside, I read in various US press that Lewinski is now referred to as "a celebrity", is that because she............................

Similarly, I don't give a hoot about Trump's alleged sexual predelictions, nor should the American media place such emphasis on them. Surely, the quality of his governance is the top priority.
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Lewinsky.... give a hoot.
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