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CNN, New York Post, LA Times, AXIOS, Washington Post, The Hill and several other "On-Line" news sites are my sources of information. That's without mentioning our own media or the BBC.

I don't know why you persist in saying that I rely on CNN, I DON'T!!

If all of the sources that I use are "anti-Trump" I'd be very surprised.

Even some of your own Maryland press say the same things.

He's currently being investigated by up to 17 different units-not just political but his shady charity organisation, IRS breaches and so on. But you would be well aware of this-just choosing not to acknowledge the facts.

Did I hear someone shout, "LOCK HIM UP?"




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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

CNN, New York Post, LA Times, AXIOS, Washington Post, The Hill and several other "On-Line" news sites are my sources of information. That's without mentioning our own media or the BBC.

I don't know why you persist in saying that I rely on CNN, I DON'T!!

If all of the sources that I use are "anti-Trump" I'd be very surprised.

Even some of your own Maryland press say the same things.

He's currently being investigated by up to 17 different units-not just political but his shady charity organisation, IRS breaches and so on. But you would be well aware of this-just choosing not to acknowledge the facts.

Did I hear someone shout, "LOCK HIM UP?"


Not every paper is biased. Your quotes are often from CNN just find the lefty lunatic on any given paper and that's your lead. 
If they are going to lock up Trump for the fake charity/money laundering he'll be in line behind Bill & Hill Clinton bet on that. Trump's campaign money and his "foundation" don't even compare with the money the Clintons have earned through political connections and sweet heart deals. Trumps's never going to be free of investigations, the sky is falling....again?
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Quote Your quotes are often from CNN just find the lefty lunatic on any given paper and that's your lead.

Possibly, but the same type of comments can be gleaned from news media across the US, and even internationally.

I have no argument with your comments about Clinton.
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[quote]Rejecting criticism over his decision to withdraw about 2,000 troops from Syria and up-end a central pillar of US policy in the Middle East, Donald Trump says the United States was doing the work of other countries with little in return. (Reuters)]

His withdrawal of troop from Syria is wrong, wrong, wrong-at this stage. It seems to be another ploy to divert attention away from all of his other problems/failings.

BUT, in saying that the US is doing the work of other countries, with little return, in my estimation, he's correct. The world at large has expected the USA to play World Policeman for far too long. In most of the overseas ventures that the US gets involved in, it can be well argued that the UN should be at the forefront, with all member nations contributing.

The US has entered more armed conflicts in the post Viet Nam War period than any other single country, not counting civil wars and internal politics. Again, in many cases if not all, there should have been much more military support fro the US, whose military forces have carried the burden of battle field deaths for years.

It's simply not good enough.
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Quote Brett McGurk joins Defence Secretary Jim Mattis in an exodus of experienced national security figures from the Trump administration, saying in his resignation letter that the Islamic State militants were on the run, but not yet defeated.

Pandemonium! Who would want to work there?
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Quote Brett McGurk joins Defence Secretary Jim Mattis in an exodus of experienced national security figures from the Trump administration, saying in his resignation letter that the Islamic State militants were on the run, but not yet defeated.

Pandemonium! Who would want to work there?
How bloody long has bloody ISIS been on the bleedin run?
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Quote How bloody long has bloody ISIS been on the bleedin run?

Perhaps it's for the better that the US withdraws troops from the Middle East. Their presence has been a bone of contention for some countries for quite a while.

There's the other matter too, the US is heavily involved in the NoKo SoKo conflict, troops in many parts of the world, many of which are of no real political or economic benefit to the US. I've said many times that the world should not expect the USA to play world policeman, it's not fair, and it's a burden that should be shouldered by the UN and all member nations.


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Yeah, the problem with Middle East peace is because America is involved?!?  (Actually there is some truth to that, America took over from Britain and doesn't have the deep contacts that Britain had).  Violence is not the fault of a religion founded by a warlord.  Or a country that has an implement of war on the flag (a sword, Saudi Arabia).  It is ironic that Arab countries have such a lust for war, and yet their militaries are so bad at it, no NCO structure between aristocrat officers and peasant conscripts.

Fight the terrorists now, or fight them later.  Trump doesn't care, he probably won't be President when the chickens come home to roost.  In the long run, the "peace" dividend will prove illusory.
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Which is *more* true?

The US government won't be able to open until at least next year.

The US government won't be able to open until at least next week.

The mainstream media outlets are biased against Trump, on the other hand, he makes it so easy to be against him.  And let's face it, mainstream media outlets are not near as relevant as they used to be, so any excuse to blow up an issue, plays to their (diminishing) base.  Not sure there is an answer to mainstream media's setting.  Is something in the wings, or is it all just good night.
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It seems like next week. The Speaker, Pelosi , won't act until January 3rd that makes sense she won't have her footing until securely voted in as speaker. 
If Pelosi continues to appear petty, making an issue over the terms "wall" or "fence" she might become the story. My prediction- Pelosi opens the next meeting with another offer maybe a couple billion for a structure (?) at the border. Trump takes it under protest and takes any remaining funds from another agency , the house republicans make a reform proposal.

ICE  released 1000  illegals in El Paso this week bc they could not get them adjudicated in the time frame allowed by law. Real crime is going to affect the news and that intolerable level of upset is already met with the death of a police officer at the hands of an illegal. It is time to look at immigration reform again but I don't expect progress. 

Democrats are forcing extremism bc they know Trump will go to the extreme. If he walks off the edge while doing the extreme, all the better. Yet the actual events at the border won't be ignored, so democrats look foolish mincing words about the fence if people are becoming victims of crime at the border states daily. 

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Franciscosan I share your opinion that Trump creates the ability for us to dislike him, it's his public persona.

Vanuatu I've said before that Trump has an obligation to secure the US borders, but his tantrum over this issue is most unpresidential. Closing down part of government services is not the way to go and the Democrats don't seem to be taking any notice of his demands.

By all means close the US/Mexico border, but take the consequences.
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No, I want all of the benefits, and none of the liabilities.

I do wonder how much of this outcry regarding the border, is happening at or near the border.  Not saying, that, say, Iowans don't have reasons to oppose immigration.  I just think that many of the people close to the border have more of an appreciation about how complex the issue might be.
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Actions have consequences, so think very well before acting.

I do appreciate the fact that, at present, the border is very porous, with tunnels from Mexico going well into US territory, and that won't stop with a wall/fence/barrier.

Quote "As ye sew, so shall ye reap." GALATIANS 6.7
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Franciscosan I share your opinion that Trump creates the ability for us to dislike him, it's his public persona.

Vanuatu I've said before that Trump has an obligation to secure the US borders, but his tantrum over this issue is most unpresidential. Closing down part of government services is not the way to go and the Democrats don't seem to be taking any notice of his demands.

By all means close the US/Mexico border, but take the consequences.
Please elaborate on the "Way" to go. Democrats funded part of wall, that wasn't enough so the money is not being spent. Now a source of such concern, oh! Trump why aren't you spending the money??

Trump didn't fall for the trap where he starts the job but can't finish, which is why part of the wall has been funded by congress not all.
Now the game is about how immoral a wall is, not human trafficking and dead citizens on the border states. 
Real winners who voted for border security along with Obama Schumer and Pelosi in 2013 now believe the structural barrier they once loved will now only bring us all shame as a nation.

toyomotor you should be bible thumping CNN.
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I don't see a wall as immoral, if that's what's needed, so be it. But, for Trump to shut down government services in a fit of petulance is plainly wrong!!!

If he can't get his around the fact that negotiation is needed, with compromise on both sides, he needs to get out of the job. Things don't happen at the snap of his fingers-as he would believe.

As for CNN, your continued comments don't affect me at all, as I know that I read a lot of other web sites to glean my information. You obviously read/watch CNN or you wouldn't know what it's saying/writing.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

I don't see a wall as immoral, if that's what's needed, so be it. But, for Trump to shut down government services in a fit of petulance is plainly wrong!!!

If he can't get his around the fact that negotiation is needed, with compromise on both sides, he needs to get out of the job. Things don't happen at the snap of his fingers-as he would believe.

As for CNN, your continued comments don't affect me at all, as I know that I read a lot of other web sites to glean my information. You obviously read/watch CNN or you wouldn't know what it's saying/writing.
toyomotor, I say democrats are calling a wall immoral and almost going far left suggesting open borders are moral. 

Is it a chicken or egg problem ? Which immovable force is being more destructive? I couldn't keep track both sides are purely politically motivated. 

I'm glad Trump isn't waiting around for 4 years to address illegals crossing the border, not legal immigration which we already have.

Of course I watch CNN. I have to see each side of the divide sometimes there is a truth-filled center or my favorite, orange cream. :)
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It should be understood that immigrants lean heavily democratic, and so _when_ there is an amnesty for illegal aliens, which there will be, the Democratic party will cash in.  They cannot say they are for open borders, but with their minority identity politics, it is clear that they want to be the saviors for displaced, who as minorities, and as peasants, have more clout in the intersectionality politics of the left.

It should be understood that the left wants to have all of the adulation of saviors, with none of the hard work, as witnessed by the defection of the working class from the left to the right because they were being ignored.
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Is there no middle ground?

No country can sustain unchecked migration, and then there's also the criminality and terrorism aspects. 

Regardless of who's holding the reins, there must be checks and balances, so if Trump does close the border-disregarding for moment that it would be simply a hissy fit on his part, I reckon that will only create a backlog, not stop the migration, illegal or otherwise.

The other point to consider is whether or not Customs and Border Patrol are capable of completely closing the border, with or without backing of the National Guard-which in itself raises the point about  Posse Comitatus.
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On the one hand you acknowledge that the president's first job is security. 
Now it's a hissy fit on his part ?

If there are more attempts at crashing the border in large groups, armed assaults on agents and people flinging their kids over the wall wrapped in blankets onto barbed wire- it's going to bring a heavy handed response.

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I should have been clearer. Trumps hissy fit describes his way of doing things, rather than what he's doing.

If I can't get my border wall, on my terms, I'll close the government.

If that doesn't work, I'll close the border.

Yes, a hissy fit. I don't agree with his methods but I do agree with the need for border control.


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Donald Trump persists in sl*gging off his law enforcement and intelligence agencies, and there's no hint that he'll stop doing that in future.

Perhaps it's time that the CIA, FBI and the others took limited industrial action by not telling him of their findings. From many past media reports, it seems that he ignores advice anyway claiming that he knows better.

Once again he returns from talking to KJU, having failed to gain any agreements.

Ego powered idiot.


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The decision making authority is invested in the President.  The president is at liberty to take or ignore the advice of intelligence services.  They are not at liberty to not give advice to the president.  That is part of their job.

Now, if the President is not taking advice, there are two possible remedies which might possibly come into play.  Questioning his loyalty, questioning his competency.  I would consider looking at him as just generally corrupt would be a mixture of the two.  Either way, impeachment may be the appropriate answer, but so might just waiting for the next election.  The democrats have an opportunity here, but then again so did they for the last election.  Personally, if it is a question of Trump again, or a socialist, I think that Trump might be the better option.  Any damage he's done, has already been done.  Trump is corrupt, but what he does is to further enrich himself.  He is not looking to change everybody else, a socialist however, want to fix all of society, and therefore strikes me as a much scarier possibility.  Better benign neglect that malicious attention.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

The decision making authority is invested in the President.  The president is at liberty to take or ignore the advice of intelligence services.  They are not at liberty to not give advice to the president.  That is part of their job.

Now, if the President is not taking advice, there are two possible remedies which might possibly come into play.  Questioning his loyalty, questioning his competency.  I would consider looking at him as just generally corrupt would be a mixture of the two.  Either way, impeachment may be the appropriate answer, but so might just waiting for the next election.  The democrats have an opportunity here, but then again so did they for the last election.  Personally, if it is a question of Trump again, or a socialist, I think that Trump might be the better option.  Any damage he's done, has already been done.  Trump is corrupt, but what he does is to further enrich himself.  He is not looking to change everybody else, a socialist however, want to fix all of society, and therefore strikes me as a much scarier possibility.  Better benign neglect that malicious attention.

I agree with the general tenet of your post, but if he's re-elected, it's probable that he'll stumble along a path to isolationism and possibly serious conflict with China and Russia.

Much of what he's done should be undone, I think that the country is still running, despite his policies.
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Gosh, that is the same conclusion he reached with Obama.

There are a lot of things where the left appeal to "necessity' or 'historical inevitability.'
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An abridged version of the Mueller Report claims that no evidence of collusion has been found.

How about the AG release the entire report so that the people can make up their own minds?

Regardless, I still dislike Trump and IMHO, he won't be re-elected.
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