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    Posted: 20 Jan 2018 at 03:36
UFO footage , it's recent and kinda incredible. 
Is it time to take this seriously yet?




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You mean you don't already?

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Can't say I've seen anything quite like this, four pilots all viewing in real time. Seeing the image makes me think it will be a point of first contact. 

What did you think toyomotor, everyone? 

This footage reveals more than any other I've seen.
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I'm on record in this forum and elsewhere having said that it would be arrogant in the extreme for earthlings to believe that other planets/galaxies were not inhabited by some forms of intelligent life.

There are still far too many unexplained mysteries on this planet to believe that aliens could not have been involved.

Until such times as earthly science proves it impossible, and I don't see how they could, that other life forms exist elsewhere, I'll keep an open mind and see what eventuates.
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Former British Defense Minister cites "ridicule factor" as one reason why continued sightings are not being investigated.

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Yes, I agree.
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It is a U--F--O, it is unidentified.  What more is there to say?  I am sure governments have done some kind of analysis, but there is very little to go on.  As far as it being from Outer Space, that seems like a conclusion reaching a little bit.  We have what is perhaps a reasonable belief that it is not us, not the U.S. or any other current political entity.

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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

It is a U--F--O, it is unidentified.  What more is there to say?  I am sure governments have done some kind of analysis, but there is very little to go on.  As far as it being from Outer Space, that seems like a conclusion reaching a little bit.  We have what is perhaps a reasonable belief that it is not us, not the U.S. or any other current political entity.

If I was an alien, I probably wouldn't want to have anything (directly) to do with humans.  Some sci-fi suggests that we are like space herpies, impossible to get rid of, if you catch usCry

There are many reported sightings of UFO's around the world every year. Some of the reports have a degree of accuracy. We don't know what they are, so they remain UFO's.




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When you say "reported sightings" that implies that there were some "thing(s)" that were sighted.  But, in many cases that may be more than we can say we rightfully know.  Is a hallucination "a reported sighting"?  I would suggest that in many cases, it was a hallucination, or illusion or trick of the light.  In many cases, and in some cases it is a fraud, but there are a certain number of cases, left over when all other options are accounted for, that defy explanation.  But, how many dead ends will one have to chase down before one gets to a genuine case, and even then, what one can say about those genuine cases is very little.  But, toyomotor, you don't want to fund the space program because you think there is better things to do with the money, is not this a case where one can pour money into a dark hole and get little or no results?
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

When you say "reported sightings" that implies that there were some "thing(s)" that were sighted.  But, in many cases that may be more than we can say we rightfully know.  Is a hallucination "a reported sighting"?  I would suggest that in many cases, it was a hallucination, or illusion or trick of the light.  In many cases, and in some cases it is a fraud, but there are a certain number of cases, left over when all other options are accounted for, that defy explanation.  But, how many dead ends will one have to chase down before one gets to a genuine case, and even then, what one can say about those genuine cases is very little.  But, toyomotor, you don't want to fund the space program because you think there is better things to do with the money, is not this a case where one can pour money into a dark hole and get little or no results?

1. Yes, "things" were reportedly sighted, flying things which have not been accounted for.

2. Hallucinations, could be, who knows?

3. If there are aliens out there, probably they'll let us know in good time.

4. Space exploration versus investigation of UFO's are two different things, and yes, I'd rather see the money spent on fixing the multitude of problems here on earth.


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Maybe the aliens have a Star Trekean "prime directive."  Is "in good time"=  100, 1000 or 1 million years? It is in their good time, not our good time, probably.

The question is not whether some phenomenon has not be accounted for, the question is phenomenon that 'cannot' be accounted for.  Gun camera footage is pretty solid as far as something that cannot be accounted for, unless you believe it is a government conspiracy.  It could be that someone wants other people to believe in aliens, and is manipulating the media, but not likely because some 'one' has to be many people, and people generally cannot keep a secret. 
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I wonder why they're called UFO's? Could it be because they're flying objects which have not been identified?

There have been all sorts of explanations for this phenomena, many of them unsatisfactory or unbelievable.

Until such times as one lands on earth long enough to be examined, or is captured some other way, we haven't got a clue what they are.
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Some percentage of the many thousands of reports over the last 70 years are not conclusively explained away. Also many reports are from pilots and military personnel. The US government has known that these objects are being seen. 
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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Some percentage of the many thousands of reports over the last 70 years are not conclusively explained away. Also many reports are from pilots and military personnel. The US government has known that these objects are being seen. 

Isn't that what I said?
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Some percentage of the many thousands of reports over the last 70 years are not conclusively explained away. Also many reports are from pilots and military personnel. The US government has known that these objects are being seen. 

Isn't that what I said?
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Many years ago, as a teenager (my hair wasn't always grey), I sat in bedroom on one clear-skied winters day, a rarity in Britain. I noticed a bright flashing light in the sky. At first I thought it was an aeroplane, since flight corridors went over the town along with endless queues of RAF Hercules going in and out of nearby Lyneham. Somehow though this was different. As it went over, I could see a polygonal sphere, sunlight flashing off the polished surfaces as it slowly rotated end over end. Genuinely that was what I saw.
 
A UFO with space aliens doing a flypast of my home in broad daylight? The cheek of it. Actually I haven't the slightest idea what it was I saw that day, nor will I create an explanation that makes no sense.
 
I do accept we probably aren't alone in this massive universe. We can't see the boundaries of it - the scale of it is now too far for light that early to have existed. Every day we discover that there are even more galaxies out there, each with billions upon billions of stars, each with the potential for an admittedly rare 'M' class planet (with humanoids in silly one piece jogging suits and odd rubber faces).
 
But why is Earth so important to aliens that they have to visit us? Our progress? That's just hubris. Our potential? That's just self importance. Our planet? Seriously? There's plenty to choose from out there. Or have aliens guided our early development as many believe? What for? Why would an alien species teach us how to build massive stone monuments? It serves no practical purpose beyond the spiritual and political needs of the human society that got its labourers to get on with it. Isn't all this substitution of alien superiority merely another religion?
 
I attended a lecture by paranormal investigators a few years ago. They told us how strange events are normally the secondary effects of mundane causes, and only around 10% of their investigations have any quality that comes close to mysterious, and then, usually found to be a further effect of the same mundane causes and secondary effects. In short, we jump to conclusions and impose fantasies on observations we don't understand. We are, by nature, a superstitious and easily fooled species.
 
Of course if an alien space ship finally lands on the White House lawn and demands an end to war, well so be it, the situation is clear. But mankind has always seen outside forces in the mysteries of their time. Gods, demons, faeries, even the medieval dog-heads which roamed the night and seemingly the surface of the globe, are now replaced by anonymous alien species more fitting for a scientific age,
 
As it happens, the question of whether UFO's will ever be taken seriously is a moot question - the military and governments of the world have always kept a wary eye on UFO reports and still do. Just in case.
 
Well I've had my say. Now I have to leave and attend to strange beer cans that appeared in my yard last night. Clearly the work of a highly advanced civilisation trying to send mystic messages and teacn me how to build an artificial mountain.
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Accepting for a moment that there is intelligent life out there in the universe, couldn't the reason be curiosity.

Over the millenia humans have asked, "I wonder what's over that hill? Let's have a look".

Why are we earthlings now spending untold millions of dollars on space exploration? Curiosity. 

I'm leaving all of the options open, but I doubt that the question of intelligent aliens will be answered in my lifetime.
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Well spoken Caldrail,
by the way, it was not me who left beer cans in your yard.
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But why is Earth so important to aliens that they have to visit us? Our progress? That's just hubris. Our potential? That's just self importance. Our planet? Seriously? There's plenty to choose from out there. Or have aliens guided our early development as many believe? What for? Why would an alien species teach us how to build massive stone monuments? It serves no practical purpose beyond the spiritual and political needs of the human society that got its labourers to get on with it. Isn't all this substitution of alien superiority merely another religion?
It's a presumption that "They" check in to help us. Suppose multiple advanced civilizations are breeding worlds like earth to compete in "Invasion Wars" for their own amusement like a macro version of what we do now with video games. What is the trajectory of gaming after a thousand years of development? At the rate technology is moving we cannot think big enough to predict how this turns out, right about that. 

 
Originally posted by caldrail caldrail wrote:

I attended a lecture by paranormal investigators a few years ago. They told us how strange events are normally the secondary effects of mundane causes, and only around 10% of their investigations have any quality that comes close to mysterious, and then, usually found to be a further effect of the same mundane causes and secondary effects. In short, we jump to conclusions and impose fantasies on observations we don't understand. We are, by nature, a superstitious and easily fooled species.
Not easily fooled. Hardwired to occasionally be beyond our usual space and time like during sleep.
 
Originally posted by caldrail caldrail wrote:

Of course if an alien space ship finally lands on the White House lawn and demands an end to war, well so be it, the situation is clear. But mankind has always seen outside forces in the mysteries of their time. Gods, demons, faeries, even the medieval dog-heads which roamed the night and seemingly the surface of the globe, are now replaced by anonymous alien species more fitting for a scientific age,
 
As it happens, the question of whether UFO's will ever be taken seriously is a moot question - the military and governments of the world have always kept a wary eye on UFO reports and still do. Just in case.
 
Well I've had my say. Now I have to leave and attend to strange beer cans that appeared in my yard last night. Clearly the work of a highly advanced civilization trying to send mystic messages and teacn me how to build an artificial mountain.
If you accept that the physical world is built on the ethereal or universal mind then the "truth" is already known to us. Yes, we have already imagined this throughout time as magic and monsters. Now it has the name UFO. Magic and monsters did happen it was a reality to people of the time. A mundane occurrence yes, say disease, loss or war feeds fear and stories often originate this way like War of the Worlds.
Now we have real monsters don't we? 
Governments will be totally useless if there is an army of those tic tacs out there.
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And there's lots of things that are known to some people who don't want you to know about them.

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Not as such -that presumes there is evidence of UFO's which is contrary to situations like the British stepping down oversight on such things. What the American government decided a long time ago was that UFO's, and potentially the occupants of such vehicles, represented a potential threat to civil order, belief in Christianity, and other such social issues. Thus they maintain a higher level of oversight than some countries and for that matter, whether Project Blue Book was a genuine investigation or smoke screen is something the American government would probably prefer to keep under wraps whatever the methods and conclusions of the investigations themselves.
 
Quote by the way, it was not me who left beer cans in your yard.
Excellent. I will remove you from the list of potential space aliens in our midst :D


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If you know something, that can complicate things for intelligence services, and they don't want things complicated.  To me, that is very understandable, and not necessarily sinister.  How would your mechanic like it if you stood over his shoulder and second guessed everything he did?  Especially if you didn't know about cars.  Of course if you were paying him by the hour, he might put up with it.  People claim that they have 'a right to know,' and maybe they do _if_ they put in the time and effort to do their homework first so that they might ask intelligent questions.  Note:  I am not saying that I know intelligent questions in this context.

On the History channel they're doing a rival of the 1970s show called "In Search Of." about UFOs, Atlantis, Nessie and Crystal skulls, that sort of thing.  The 1970s show was hosted by Leonard Nimoy, so you had 'Mr. Spock,' Mr. 'Logical' narrating it.
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If something is letting us see it IT which appears to be the case, then let's take our heads out of the sand. The next president will be like Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk -they are building faster than NASA. Commercializing space travel- it's the only way to move space observation forward.

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See what?  What is it exactly that you think you are seeing from the gun camera footage?  Could you, or any analyst write more than only a short paragraph of what appears?  Why do you think we are going to get more information if we go into space?  That is, on the issue of UFOs.  Space is big place, and I doubt we will stumble onto their base in space, unless they really want us to do so.

I don't know Bezos, but Musk is the founder of Tesla, the car company that gets subsidies for rich people in their eco-friendly cars.  They should stay in business.  I am glad they are doing something to get privatized ventures into space.  In the long run, having our eggs in more than one basket.
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Why do you think we are going to get more information if we go into space?  That is, on the issue of UFOs.  Space is big place, and I doubt we will stumble onto their base in space, unless they really want us to do so.


Innovation and competition will drive the advancement of space travel the way capitalism drives the growth of products that are in demand.

I'm not speculating but it's intriguing and space travel has provided numerous advancements that enriched our life on earth, I expect there will be more benefits to come.
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I think that it is good to project outside ourselves, not just to have a limited view of the "world."  Who a 150 years ago could predict what the world would be like?  Science fiction is not _that_ good at predicting.  People look at cellphones and think Star Trek, but Star Trek never used communicators the way "we" do (particularly a teenager).  30 years ago, people would have looked at all the people walking around talking 'to themselves' and thought they were crazy.

But, I am not sure that they "enrich" are life or that they are benefits, just changes.  Is youtube better than sitting around and staring into the fire, chanting, singing songs, telling tales?  In Denver, I miss the stars because of all the light pollution.  
I think my life is better (than.....), but I am a little biased.  Is the nanny state better than hunter gatherer?  I am not so sure.  But for a lot of people exploration of outer space represents some level of freedom, some level of not giving in to the nanny state, although I know some people who believe freedom consists of not fastening your seatbelt, I wonder if they actually got into space, whether they would feel free to just wing it, as far as how to fasten their helmet:(
I mean, talk about hostile environment, there is no significant gravity in Outer Space, and yet most of our space operas show people with gravity in outer space.  Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, Star Wars.  We cannot do without it, for most of our science fiction, and in real life low gravity causes all kinds of problems.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I think that it is good to project outside ourselves, not just to have a limited view of the "world."  Who a 150 years ago could predict what the world would be like?  Science fiction is not _that_ good at predicting.  People look at cellphones and think Star Trek, but Star Trek never used communicators the way "we" do (particularly a teenager).  30 years ago, people would have looked at all the people walking around talking 'to themselves' and thought they were crazy.
 Johnny Quest came pretty close with the watch. That series aired for one season in 1962 but spent two decades in reruns. That watch was the future, I just thought Johnny! YOU ARE THE MAN!:)

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But, I am not sure that they "enrich" are life or that they are benefits, just changes.  Is youtube better than sitting around and staring into the fire, chanting, singing songs, telling tales?  In Denver, I miss the stars because of all the light pollution.
Light pollution is a drawback but realize we are never going back unless some disaster wipes out communications. Those pleasures of the natural world are sadly getting harder to find. Will future generations miss what they never had? 


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I think my life is better (than.....), but I am a little biased.  Is the nanny state better than hunter gatherer?  I am not so sure.  But for a lot of people exploration of outer space represents some level of freedom, some level of not giving in to the nanny state, although I know some people who believe freedom consists of not fastening your seatbelt, I wonder if they actually got into space, whether they would feel free to just wing it, as far as how to fasten their helmet:(
I mean, talk about hostile environment, there is no significant gravity in Outer Space, and yet most of our space operas show people with gravity in outer space.  Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, Star Wars.  We cannot do without it, for most of our science fiction, and in real life low gravity causes all kinds of problems.
Space travel has greatly improved technical performance and innovation in many fields. This one has my heart attached to it.

Whether in the confines of the International Space Station or a tiny hut village in sub-Saharan Africa, drinkable water is vital for human survival. Unfortunately, many people around the world lack access to clean water. Using technology developed for the space station, at-risk areas can gain access to advanced water filtration and purification systems, making a life-saving difference in these communities. Joint collaborations between aid organizations and NASA technology show just how effectively space research can adapt to contribute answers to global problems. The commercialization of this station-related technology has provided aid and disaster relief for communities worldwide. The Water Security Corporation, in collaboration with other organizations, has deployed systems using NASA water-processing technologyaround the world.




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You know if I was an alien (which I am not, or at least caldrail and I established that I am not a beer drinking alien that leaves can on his lawn.), I would go to a less developed planet to collect art and technology (for what is art but more primitive technology), wouldn't even need originals, but pictures to establish the dimensions for some futuristic 3D printer.  The goal wouldn't necessarily be making contact, although maybe that would be true at some future era.  And if positive connections are someday made, then the aliens could share back all that they had already harvested.
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Bill Gates drinks water that used to be poo, it's on the west coast-San Francisco needs this!


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