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    Posted: 05 May 2013 at 05:05
Barack Obama asked for forgiveness on the inhuman experiments that American doctors have done on poor peoples in Latin America, for decades!

It seems, the followers the Mengele are still alive and well in America. Or, is it that the Americans still believe we are inferiors to them, and that they are the "chosen people" with the "manifest destiny" to do what they wish? Or is it that American doctors lack ethic and are as mad as Dr. House?

At least, Obama is a decent man that recognized these crimes. By the way, this case in Guatemala is a single one among many others.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39456324/ns/health-sexual_health/t/us-apologizes-guatemala-std-experiments/

Edit: Linked is fixed.


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At least we are not doing it on our people. We have many poor Americans here.  Sometimes I think you are one of those victims! Is that right?Wink

For some reason your link doesn't work!


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They usually only accept when it does no longer matter and if it won't bind them legaly.
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Originally posted by Harburs Harburs wrote:

At least we are not doing it on our people. We have many poor Americans here.


You are wrong. You have done the same thing with the American people. For instance, these military were used like guinea pigs to test tactics for atomic wars Confused. (Oh!!!! America's Freedom, how many crimes have been committed in your name)


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Originally posted by Paradigm of Humanity Paradigm of Humanity wrote:

They usually only accept when it does no longer matter and if it won't bind them legaly.


I wonder how many American medical crimes are committed at this very moment, anywhere in the world.
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No people in the world, not even Latin Americans, should blame foreigners for everything they suffer from. Not that foreigners should nott be duly critizised for evident wrongdoing though.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 May 2013 at 21:27
Originally posted by Harburs Harburs wrote:



At least we are not doing it on our people. We have many poor Americans here.  Sometimes I think you are one of those victims! Is that right?Wink


For some reason your link doesn't work!


No? Project MKULTRA.

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Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

No people in the world, not even Latin Americans, should blame foreigners for everything they suffer from. Not that foreigners should nott be duly critizised for evident wrongdoing though.


Who is blaming "everything" on yankees? Not me. Even more, in the examples above I have shown the some kind of inhuman experiments have been made several times by American on its own population.
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Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

No people in the world, not even Latin Americans, should blame foreigners for everything they suffer from. Not that foreigners should nott be duly critizised for evident wrongdoing though.
 
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Yes, and no victim of crime should blame the culprit. Especially the rape victims, they could have dressed less arousingly after all.
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Yes, and no victim of crime should blame the culprit. Especially the rape victims, they could have dressed less arousingly after all.
I think there is not only laqtin american "innocent victims". That should not be so controversial, except from some discussions here one may get another impression.
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By the way, Penguin, As I recall, those experiments in Guatemala were done with the full cooperation and permission of the Guatemalan government and its ministry for health. Hmmm, so it wasn't just the Gringos.

So, did the Guatemalan also accept responsibility and apologize to those of its citizens who were affected?
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any power has a devilish  part, more powerful more devilish  part.
Respect to this fact US government is not the most devilish empire that has existed.
Respect to their power most of them are more devilish, and US had so many positive impacts too.
But that is  not clear it remains so.
By this economical system and desires, and the potential of to be worse than the other empires, the future is misty.
How much US government tolerance is when a country like China replaced by him, as a boss?specially,
when some economical creases will happen.How they will apply the militarism?
So many events  happened, and will happened to prevent this.It is certain that they predicte the future.
Clearly so many times they apply arguing like:
"Killing and sacrificing some innocents right now is much more better than killing so many innocents in future".
This arguing is right or not , arriving to this stage and applying this type of arguing is not humanitarian, but seemingly in order to save  huge powers by this economical system they have no other choice.
As a conclusion, I disagree to you fantasus.So many times they should be blamed, although not all the time.


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Penguin: You've probably been busy lately and have not had time to answer my question:

Again, Has the Guatemalan government apologized for its actions in relation to those medical experiments, which were conducted with the full cooperation of their Ministry of Health? If not, have they even acknowledged their role?

Also, the only experiments I've heard about were those alluded to in the President's speech, which were in Guatemala. Now Guatemalans are obviously 'Latin Americans' but using the term in title of this thread implies that the experiments were conducted on a much broader scale. Have you seen any evidence that these medical experiments were conducted in any other Latin-American countries?

If so, inquiring minds would like to know.

Edited by lirelou - 17 Jun 2013 at 15:49
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Interesting question. I don't know of other cases in Latin America, but Guatemala is the poorest country in the region, which makes it harder to accept form people in the region.

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It is also one of the most indigenous nations in the Americas, up there with Bolivia, Paraguay, Peru, and Ecuador. The great majority of Latin-Americans I know never give Guatemala a thought.
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That's not true. Of course, everywhere there is people blind to reality, but most educated Latin Americans know about Guatemala and its tragic history.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Barack Obama asked for forgiveness on the inhuman experiments that American doctors have done on poor peoples in Latin America, for decades!

It seems, the followers the Mengele are still alive and well in America. Or, is it that the Americans still believe we are inferiors to them, and that they are the "chosen people" with the "manifest destiny" to do what they wish? Or is it that American doctors lack ethic and are as mad as Dr. House?

At least, Obama is a decent man that recognized these crimes. By the way, this case in Guatemala is a single one among many others.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39456324/ns/health-sexual_health/t/us-apologizes-guatemala-std-experiments/

Edit: Linked is fixed.


Nazi war criminals went to South America. Paraguay, Brazil and your very own Argentina were favoured places
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Sure. During WWII several South American countries wondered who where the guy and the bad guys in that war. Besides, millions of Germans had migrated to South America decades earlier. And many people considered at the beginning of that conflict that a country like Germany was a lot better than an imperialistic power like Britain.
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Yes, and no victim of crime should blame the culprit. Especially the rape victims, they could have dressed less arousingly after all.
 
 
Mate, where are you living, the 15th Century?
 
You may not have noticed but societal attitudes have changed a wee bit over the past 600 years.
 
Women are now entitled to walk along streets without fear of molestation.
 
And if victims of crime can't blame the culprit, who can they blame.
 
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Sure. During WWII several South American countries wondered who where the guy and the bad guys in that war. Besides, millions of Germans had migrated to South America decades earlier. And many people considered at the beginning of that conflict that a country like Germany was a lot better than an imperialistic power like Britain.
 
 
Argentina wasn't wondering one little bit. It was pro-Nazi all the way, and welcomed the War Criminals as heroes, giving them new identities and jobs.
 
After all, the government of Argentina wasn't much different to that of Germany at the time.
 
 
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To judge from the large number of Latin immigrants we receive, both legal and otherwise, America (or more correctly the U.S.) is the #1 choice. And it's not just the poor, but the middle and professional classes as well. 
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