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Quote Do rhinos have a right to exist?  
Using Rhino's as an example then, we have to realise that 'rights' are legal properties established by human beings. Out there in Nature it's survival of the fittest, and a great many species have come and gone without any interference from human beings. We ourselves have no actual 'right' to exist in those terms, and in fact we're the last species of human being left - the others have died out - and should consider ourselves darn lucky to be here at all given that we came back from the brink of extinction in distant prehistory.
 
Do we apply the right to exist to Rhino's? Of course, it's the humane thing to do. That's why Rhino populations get protection, but then, we also happen to be the source of the Rhino's greatest threat because so many of our global members believe that Rhino horn has beneficial properties and pay good money to obtain it.
 
I also note the recent move toward a total ban on ivory sale in Britain.
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Quote Do we apply the right to exist to Rhino's? Of course, it's the humane thing to do. That's why Rhino populations get protection, but then, we also happen to be the source of the Rhino's greatest threat because so many of our global members believe that Rhino horn has beneficial properties and pay good money to obtain it.

The biggest danger to this planet is human kind, IMHO.

While we in the west condemn the killing of animals for their skins, teeth and ivory, in other parts of the world the killing of some wild animals, although outlawed, is a thriving business.

The UK has for some years had a ban on the sale of ivory products from animals killed post 1947. But that's very hard to police, so now it proposes to ban the sale of all ivory products. Well done the UK.

While this post started out looking at future technology, there's no reason why we can't include things like decimation of animal stocks world wide. Thanks to human kind, many birds and animals have become extinct, and there are many more on the threatened species list, and we never saw it coming?




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The Earth will survive just fine, until the sun swells up.

A problem with rights, is that they are dependent on humans, or in other words, the government giveth, and the government taketh it away.  The Government can protect against, say, oil development off the Florida coast, until the government decides otherwise (except off the coast where Trump golf courses are.)

So, what are we today with all the ivory art throughout history?  Are we supposed to destroy it?  Or are we supposed to just give it all to museums?  The museum curators would love that, but a problem is that the museums are really just mausoleums, where culturally dead things go to decay.  Solve one problem of dead animals, create another problem of dead art.
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Quote A problem with rights, is that they are dependent on humans, or in other words, the government giveth, and the government taketh it away. 

No, it's a matter of give and take.

We keep on giving, they keep on taking.

Quote So, what are we today with all the ivory art throughout history?  Are we supposed to destroy it?  Or are we supposed to just give it all to museums?  The museum curators would love that, but a problem is that the museums are really just mausoleums, where culturally dead things go to decay.  Solve one problem of dead animals, create another problem of dead art.

No, a line would have to be drawn in the sand, like the UK. No ivory products after a certain date, proof to be on seller that the ivory was taken before the cut off date.

I know, there are unscrupulous people out there who will still buy and sell. Law enforcement would have to step up all over the world.
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Quote What then?"
Exploring other realms of existence? Outer space, under water, preserving plant and animal DNA. There is so much to do if only we put our collective minds to it.


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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Quote What then?"
Exploring other realms of existence? Outer space, under water, preserving plant and animal DNA. There is so much to do if only we put our collective minds to it.


I would much prefer to see money spent on improving life on earth rather than space exploration.

You're right, so much to do.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Quote What then?"
Exploring other realms of existence? Outer space, under water, preserving plant and animal DNA. There is so much to do if only we put our collective minds to it.


I would much prefer to see money spent on improving life on earth rather than space exploration.

You're right, so much to do.
If we could put our heads together the first thing we should do is feed and shelter everyone. Then move forward. Maybe that's why the aliens are back. 
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Quote  Matthew 13:13 
13:13 Therefore I speak to them in parables: because they seeing see not; 
and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand

Maybe they're just looking around.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Quote  Matthew 13:13 
13:13 Therefore I speak to them in parables: because they seeing see not; 
and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand

Maybe they're just looking around.
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Self targeting drones, death from above, for one side at least.  Where is the accountability?  Where is the virtue, the "arete," the "manliness"?  Shouldn't there be a (human) cost to war?  Is it a good idea for war to be that "clean"?

We make a distinction between combatants and noncombatants, and we think that targeting the later should be off-limits.  (collateral damage is another issue).  But, if there are no combatants on one side, because everything is AIs selecting and targeting, then the distinction no longer makes sense.  If it no longer makes sense (because every _body_ is a non-combatant, and yet war is still happening), then why should the enemy make a distinction, why not have _every_body_ as a legitimate target??
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Depersonalisation of war, in recent times, started with Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Development of Cruise Missiles depersonalise war even more.

I think that, as technology develops, human beings won't figure at all in the toll of war. Cybernetic attacks will interfere with infrastructure, communications and finances. 

A country will be brought to it's knees without a shot being fired.
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Iran has a lot of drones floating around Iraq & Syria maybe Israel starts hitting targets next.
The recent airstrike in Syria attributed to Israel has brought to the forefront Iran’s intentions of establishing a network of drones (unmanned aerial vehicles) in that country. The project could expand the Islamic Republic’s capabilities of gathering intelligence and prepare the groundwork for possible attacks

I guess we might as well be seen for the pawns that we are. Wouldn't a nice solar wind shut down the machines? We could back to year one.

The US Army recently announced that it is developing the first drones that can spot and target vehicles and people using artificial intelligence (AI). This is a big step forward. Whereas current military drones are still controlled by people, this new technology will decide who to kill with almost no human involvement.

Once complete, these drones will represent the ultimate militarization of AI and trigger vast legal and ethical implications for wider society. There is a chance that warfare will move from fighting to extermination, losing any semblance of humanity in the process. At the same time, it could widen the sphere of warfare so that the companies, engineers and scientists building AI become valid military targets.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-army-is-developing-unmanned-drones-that-can-decide-who-to-kill-2018-4

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