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    Posted: 13 Jun 2009 at 03:44
Welcome to this subforum of the Economic & Social History main forum - Women's History. Here is the place for discussing anything relating to women throughout history up til the present. The moderator of Women's History is Penelope, who is very knowledgeable in the area. If you have any concerns or questions, please contact her via PM.

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I do extensive ongoing study involving various Russian women of WW2, and would be happy to contribute to an effort for topics here. Please notify me with specifics if this sounds appealing. ^_^

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Would that include the Night Witches, the 588th Night Bomber Regiment that bombed German positions from small planes built out of wood and cloth (Poliarkov Po-2)? This regiment was an all women regiment.
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Go for it! We welcome some activity in the Women's History Forum, and I'm sure Penelope would appreciate a good bit of discussion.
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Excellent. =) My thanks.

I tried messaging her as directed, but she appears inactive for the current time.
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is this forum also open for a discussion on feminist criticisms, women currently in politics etc etc? I know you said its till the present time, but I'm looking for a forum which looks more at the political progressions, rather than the historical?

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If it's women-related, it's right at home here Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lirelou Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2009 at 17:04
I found this article of interest. Basically, it says: "Check all statistics carefully" and implies that many popular books on Women's History contain flawed statistics. Of course, that is common to many specialty study subjects.

http://chronicle.com/free/v55/i40/40sommers.htm

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Howdy Iam new at this and I am definitely a Ludite so bear with me.
I recall reading once of pre-sumerian(maybe) civilization that was actually lead by a woman. I am still trying to find the info again, although I may be off on the time period.
Here is the topic I am interested in; the differences there would be in the entire history of the world if women had been "in charge"
From the beginning. I think that the world, as a whole, would be better off and in a greater place all around.
Even when we look at religions world wide,basically all of them say "him", "he", etc. and base everything from knowledge to enlightenment on a male imposed rule and dominance.
I think history itself has many illustrations of great things happening when women or a woman took the lead.
I think maybe Queen ElizabethI is one example. She ruled just and we'll in a turbulent period and kept England out of war during a time when male rulers throughout the rest of the world gleefully listed for war and "conquest"
One last example, from a scientific perspective. At a time of so many animal species facing extinction due to habitat loss, human hunting and so many other factors, consider the species that are showing the ability to hang in there. My #1example the African elephant. A totally matriarchal species. The cows Run the show, nurture their young for several years and make the males live in bachelor herds to fight among themselves all they want and figure out how to feed themselves.
Well how about it folks? Can we get some discussion going on this topic?
Being knew and technologically challenged, I just hope I haven't or will mess this up someway! I mean I still got to tap another button or two lol.








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You might be thinking about Giambuttas (Gimbuttas??), she argued that paleolithic(?) societies were matriarchal.  Her views are fairly controversial, but have their following.  The poet Robert Graves comes at it from a different direction, in his White Goddess, for him all true poetry is in worship of the White Goddess, who brought you into this world, and can rightfully take you out of it as well.

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TY. After I did more research I did see that the ruler I was referring to was Sumerian. She was also made a goddess. Her name was Kubaba. What lead me to the subject is my last name (Kubba). It is Iraqi and I often trace my heritage.
The subject of women being in societal leadership roles I have always felt would have mad the human species more forward thinking and less violent as a whole.
There are, of course, so many divergent aspects to the subject that an endless number of tangents can be brought up.
For today, personally, I am throwing religions in there.
Virtually all religions are based on HE, HIS, MAN,etc.etc.
So from the beginning they appear to have been instituted to propagandize male dominance and sanctify one's actions regardless of how abhorrent they be, as long as you are male and you accept that all the dieties running the show are male.
Don't fret ladies. They still manage to leave you a modicum of resources to help you too. Just gotta accept your place and realize you wouldn't even be here if I had another rib (lol).
So history will perhaps change in the future and as a species we can see women becoming more dominant in our lives.
Last one for today: Current History:
Greenland. We are arriving at a historical moment for The continent.
Greenland is now an autonomous republic of Denmark (if I am not mistaken). It will soon become an independent nation.
There is a woman in charge and women dominate politics and polial appointments there.
Already they are discussing the official national language being Inuit since 85% of the population is Inuit. All properties and most resources are communally owned and shared/least.
I'd love to learn and hear more about it. Truly amazing! I would find it difficult to be hearing the same things about Greenland if it were still stuck in a system of male dominated desire for supremacy.


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Some Rabbis interpret that the imagery of woman "coming from Adam's side" means that women are equal to men, some interpret Adam as a kind of hermaphroditic being kind of like Aristophanes' people in Plato's Symposium which the (Greek) gods split in two, so that humanity has to look for their other half, and so therefore is not powerful enough to challenge the gods.
Some point out that everything in Genesis is made out of dirt, except for woman who is made out of Adam's rib, that's not a compliment to Adam, he's dirt.  Eve, however, is yes, a secondary creation, but a creation out of something that starts off better than dirt.  Just as Adam and the animals are better than what they're made out of (dirt), Eve is better than what she is made out of (Adam).  
If you look at most of the men in Genesis, they're dorks (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob).  If you look at most of the women in Genesis (Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel), they are pretty strong characters.
We have to realize that what we are getting (in the Bible) is the end result.  A thousand years of writing and rewriting the stories.  Even so, the rewriting is not complete and so earlier layers remain.  One can go back and emphasize parts of these layers to change the message, and archaeology can also encourage us to go back and wonder how it could be different (like inscriptions in the desert showing that Yahweh was once paired with the goddess Asherah).
I just think that religion overall, is a lot more subversive than you give it credit for.  Not that I am saying that you have to pay attention to religion, or at least not _traditional_ religion.  _You_ have brought up a Sumerian goddess, which is cool, I've never heard of Kubaba before, shows that my knowledge of the Sumerian pantheon is not as good as I thought it was.  Anyways, in bringing up a Sumerian goddess, you are introducing religion, albeit in a nontraditional form, or at least a non-modern traditional form.  I am interested in knowing, how does one bring the goddess back? other than just a metaphor (if bringing back is part of your aim)?
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